iOS 7 seeing slower uptake than Apple's iOS 6 - report

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  • Reply 161 of 275
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    The automatic updates is causing many to hit their data limits. Hope Apple will fix to add an option to only update when connected to wi-fi.

    I don't think it does download over cellular.
  • Reply 162 of 275

    I admit that I like the additional functionality in the OS, yet the bright whites and the bright colors are really annoying to me personally.  With no way to change these colors, or to dial down the bright background in iTunes11, it appears that the OS designers are more interested in everything being bright for them, while discarding the opinions of users who'd prefer a more earth-tone palette.  It's nice that people who want that brightness can have it, but what is pleasant to the eye of one person, is not necessarily pleasant to the eye of another.  In this age of technology, there ought to be options given rather than the "My way, or the highway" mentality.

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    b9botb9bot Posts: 238member

    Interesting, there are other reports to the contrary that IOS7 has been adopted faster than any update previously released. 

    Another he said she said article.

  • Reply 164 of 275
    akqiesakqies Posts: 768member
    b9bot wrote: »
    Interesting, there are other reports to the contrary that IOS7 has been adopted faster than any update previously released. 
    Another he said she said article.

    I would expect Tim Cook to cover iOS 7 adoption and state any milestones next week before they get to product announcements.
  • Reply 165 of 275
    I don't like the new ui either but had to do it for the radio. Like 6 much better.
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    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    I admit that I like the additional functionality in the OS, yet the bright whites and the bright colors are really annoying to me personally.  With no way to change these colors, or to dial down the bright background in iTunes11, it appears that the OS designers are more interested in everything being bright for them, while discarding the opinions of users who'd prefer a more earth-tone palette.  It's nice that people who want that brightness can have it, but what is pleasant to the eye of one person, is not necessarily pleasant to the eye of another.  In this age of technology, there ought to be options given rather than the "My way, or the highway" mentality.

    The same can be said for Pre iOS 7. Who wanted faux felt, brush aluminum, etc? No one likes change. And this is like OS X 10.0. I'm sure they'll tone it down in later releases. I don't mind it.
  • Reply 167 of 275
    rayzrayz Posts: 814member
    reme wrote: »
    Based on my own personal experience, I ask every iphone user I come across while I'm in the field two simple questions, "did you upgrade to IOS7" and "how do you like it".

    I've asked probably 100 folks so far and overwhelming response is negative, many find the apps less intuitive and harder to see.  Very few like the flat icons, they are just not "pretty".  Some said, "were they trying to copy Microsoft?".  I honestly have not talked with anyone who said that it was better, even though it has some great features.

    I bet the uptake slows even more as people talk.  If Apple doesn't listen and react to this, there will be a price to pay moving forward.

    You asked '100 people' ? :-D

    Even if you weren't lying, that's not a very large sample, considering the number of people who are running it.

    And how did you frame the question of your imaginary poll ?

    Did you ask, 'What do you think of IOS7?'

    Or was it more along the lines of. 'IOS7 is really bad, don'tcha think?'
  • Reply 168 of 275
    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

    - iOS 7 is, indeed, a mixed bag of hurt;


     

    I’ll hurt your bag. Using… mixed martial arts, I guess.

     

    - it does require the horrid, pathetic and vastly worsened iTunes 11


     

    Grow up and use it.

     

    - it just follows the equally "floppy" news about the iPhone 5C.


     

    Prove it or shut up.

     

    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

    No need to elaborate


     

    No need to listen to you, then. “It sucks” isn’t an argument. Not even for a lawyer.

     

    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

    This kind of fallacious argument doesn't really help here - I don't need to try heroine in order to know that it is bad.


     

    Oh, the irony.

     

    Originally Posted by brutus009 View Post

    heroin DEFINITELY has some positive effects.


     

    Subjective positive ? objective positive. :\

  • Reply 169 of 275
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    The same can be said for Pre iOS 7. Who wanted faux felt, brush aluminum, etc? No one likes change. And this is like OS X 10.0. I'm sure they'll tone it down in later releases. I don't mind it.

    I've seen my share of change, as my first experience on a Mac was System 7.  I know there's change, and you're absolutely right, I didn't care for them as well - but they weren't nearly as bright as what they were replaced with.  I'm not sure that they will dial down the brightness of the colors and the flood of white.  I've written Tim Cook about this issue as I think it's something many people don't like about the OS.  I've given it time, and while I enjoy the functionality, I do not enjoy the colors and white everywhere.  In this modern age, certainly something like color palette ought to be negotiable based upon the user's preferences.  This can not be seen as an extreme position on the matter.

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    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by harharhar View Post

     

     

    200 million activations? What kind of crack are you smoking?

     

    For there to be 200 million iOS 7 activations, every single iPhone sold in the last year and a half would have to be updated. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If you include iPads, you would still have to go back to every single device sold in the last year.

     

    Hate to break it to you, but that ain't happening.


     

    The iPhone 4 was released over three years ago, that is the start point, not eighteen months.

  • Reply 171 of 275
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 2,075member

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post



    Ah iOS 7. You cudda been a contender. But you were too flat.

     

     

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    Also it was released too early.

     

    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

     

    It's all very simple:

     

    - iOS 7 is, indeed, a mixed bag of hurt;

     

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    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

     

    On the other hand, iOS 7 is supposed to be a highly-polished revamp that constitutes a much-narrower jump when compared to OS X - back then, it simply meant that OS 9 was thrown in the dustbin of history, as depicted by SJ himself.


    With respect to IOS7:

    Do you think that Tim Cook should ask Ive to issue an apology letter for a bad design or should Ive issue an apology letter for IOS7 not really being done.Maybe the latter.   Hopefully they can fix things - like bringing more contrast to the screens.

  • Reply 172 of 275
    rayzrayz Posts: 814member
    rcfa wrote: »
    So, if I understand you correctly, if you own a magazine, instead of thumbing through it, you cut it at the spine and lay out all the pages on a big floor and walk around to see what page you want to read?

    This is possibly the worst analogy I've ever seen. Let's start with the plainly obvious: reading a magazine is different to listening to music. Secondly, you have mistakenly compared a single magazine to a collection of albums. For your analogy to make sense, I would have to pick up two hundred magazines in one go and then try to flip through them. A cumbersome activity that wouldn't find me the magazine I wanted as quickly as going to the rack and picking it out – and that is why Coverflow doesn't work.
    It's MUCH faster to keep your eyes pinned to a spot, and move a scroller to have the various images fly by, than having to scan rows and columns of pictures, and then scroll when you reached the end of what can be shown on one screen, and then try to reorient your vision and then rinse, repeat...

    With cover flow in one swift move I can scroll through hundreds if not thousands of CDs; cover flow works for individual play lists, etc. It's quick, easy, consistent.

    It's much faster to search by artist or track, hit random, or search by genre…
    Apple is notorious for removing stuff that folk don't use. So I suspect Coverflow went because it's a visual gimmick that people got bored of after they've seen it a few times (I used it exactly once). When Apple does this, we get a quick uproar from a handful of people posting everywhere, then everyone forgets about it.
    The tile view is a stupid thing borrowed from a resource constrained iOS, in a vain effort to make OS X look like iOS regardless of the fact that they have different operating modes and hardware constraints.

    No, CoverFlow was stupid because I could only see a few album covers clearly. The album cover list gives me a page in which I can see the covers clearly, or going by your failed real-world analogy, I don't pick up my entire CD rack and try to flip through a thousand CDs. I will go to the CD I want. If I'm not in the mood for anything in particular, I'll have a random stab.
    Yes, I can see why Apple Maps failed now: it doesn't open out a full-sized map of the country's entire road network and flap it around in your face while you're trying to drive.
    Apple was sued about CoverFlow, and they won, but the whole thing looks like corporate told them to do away with CoverFlow in case they lose that law suit, and once they won, nobody told the developers to ditch the alternative view project.

    Are you being serious? Yes, you probably are. :-(

    Coverflow went because not enough people used it to make it worth keeping.
  • Reply 173 of 275
    Aesthetics aside iOS 7 is an amateur piece of HI design. I'm a big fan of Jonathan Ive as an industrial designer and held out a lot of hope, based on my respect for his sensibilities, for his take on the iOS UI. Sadly, he has taught me that there is not much overlap between software HI and industrial design. Apple has lost an important, if poorly understood advantage with iOS 7. It is not unsalvageable, but Jonathan has to acknowledge his limits and bring in someone who understands HI and give them the authority to make changes. Keep the artsy design wonks at bay for a while until the HI people can clean up the mess.
  • Reply 174 of 275
    realisticrealistic Posts: 1,154member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by brlawyer View Post

     

     

    Isn't tech news sufficient in that case? Early price cuts and evidence that it only constitutes less than 1/3 of new iPhone sales, EVEN THOUGH our dear leader Cook implied that the 5C would be the most popular and accessible model...what else is needed?


    Nothing you mention is based on fact so you are a troll. Added to my block list!

  • Reply 175 of 275
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    This is what this industry has come to - critiques of a product followed by critiques of the critiques, followed by debates about the critiques of the critiques, followed by fights over the debates of ...

    Well, the Macalope is a spectacle by itself. It's just great and very funny.
  • Reply 176 of 275
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,552member
    I'm happy because as far as I'm concerned, it was love at first sight with iOS7, which seems rare even between Apple fans. Really, I have probably only one critic on the design and it's about the Safari icon. Function-wise search in maps still needs work and Siri needs to be faster, more reliable and have the same functions in all languages (it's too bad I can't search for movie showtimes in France for example).
  • Reply 177 of 275
    ppietrappietra Posts: 288member

    Has anyone looked at the data they used for this analysis!?

    They only have a sample from 45 000 sites and apps that is clearly biased in its demographics, since they only see a spike after work hours in the US. What about the rest of the world where 65% of iPhones reside? What about the problems that everyone had on first day, due to congestion, or the spike in network activity recorded? And what about the data that Apple itself presented after the first week - 200 million updated devices, which is far more than 16%, unless of course there are more than 1 billion iOS devices, ridiculously not!

  • Reply 178 of 275
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    brlawyer wrote: »
    There is absolutely no comparison with OS X in this context - everyone and their dog knew that 10.0 was pretty much a public beta, a work in progress (heck, there wasn't even printer or burning support in the beginning); however, virtually NO ONE denied that it was the way forward, particularly in terms of stability and the advantages of its UNIX underpinnings.  

    On the other hand, iOS 7 is supposed to be a highly-polished revamp that constitutes a much-narrower jump when compared to OS X - back then, it simply meant that OS 9 was thrown in the dustbin of history, as depicted by SJ himself.

    And OS X was not an automatic update not installed on machines by default until 10.1.
    No, it doesn't. You're just not qualified to pass judgment on it. After all, this is not even an update. You sound like a bleacher bum telling George Brett his swing is ugly.

    His opinion is as valuable as any.
    akqies wrote: »
    You think Apple only sold 200MM iPads, iPhones, and iPod Touches in the last 18 months? What data do you have to back up that claim?

    My guess is he went to apples quartly reports and added up the iPhone, iPad and iTouch sales. ( Only in the later would you have to guess a bit). Given last Q was 32 M iPhones and 14 M iPads it sounds right. Maybe optimistic.

    As for the general bias here - the confirmation bias where people refuse to believe the criticism from the trolls ( or as I call 'em iPhone users) - a good sample of opinion would be to search for "iOS 7" on twitter. It's not all roses.

    I said on the first page that while I don't agree with the criticisms on that page, as I like iOS 7, it was nice to see people acting normally , finding fault with a less than perfect release as consumers, rather than tribal loyalty.

    I was mistaken once again. That was on European time. When America woke up we got into Fox News mode again. All criticisms were trolls, all critics unentitled to opinions, all evidence discounted. Nobody can legitimately dislike iTunes 11. Or iOS 7. Or find fault with a clearly buggy os ( cf iMessage).

    Well done Mr Murdoch. You intended to destroy normal discourse and poison all debate, and you did. Hats off to you sir.
  • Reply 179 of 275
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mjtomlin View Post

     

    I've noticed the majority of people who complain about iOS 7 are those that haven't USED it or can't use it because their devices are too old. Everyone I've talked to who has upgraded, loves iOS 7. Yes, the colors are a bit garish, but a lot of the new features that make it easier to use far out weigh the color scheme.

     

    Control Center, the new notifications, swiping from left to right to go back a screen, the new Safari, the app switcher (multi-tasker), etc.

     

    I would NEVER go back to iOS 6 and using iOS 5 on my iPad is awful now. :(  Well not awful, but makes it feel so dated.


     

     

     

    There are plenty of people who updated and didn't like it and then tried returning to iOS6.  There was even a thread or two on Apple's discussion boards about how to revert.

     

    Simple search of Apple's site for go back OS6" reveals the following:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/community/iphone/search.jspa?peopleEnabled=true&userID=&containerType=&container=&spotlight=false&q=go back OS6

  • Reply 180 of 275
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by akqies View Post





    You think Apple only sold 200MM iPads, iPhones, and iPod Touches in the last 18 months? What data do you have to back up that claim?

    Sales data. Google it. Apple sells ~33 million iPhones per quarter. ~14-17 million iPads. iPod Touches are an insignificant amount. Now... Lets apply some simple math...

     

    That's why I said if you just went with iPhones, you're a year and a half. If you include iPads, you're a full year.

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