The merits of the argument made here are undermined by the distraction of what has become a familiar wounded-fanboy tone in Daniel Eran Dilger's articles. His recent piece "WSJ backpedals on iPhone 5c supply chain cuts story" had a similar tone.
Click-bait editorializing is one thing, but these articles get a little too close to sounding like sophomoronic sneering. This all the more disappointing when, as is the case with these articles, there are actually some sensible points buried in the haughty sarcasm.
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5c = improved 5 (albeit plastic case). Faster processor, better camera, iOS7. $100 less than 5s. What's the problem?
It does not have a faster processor than the 5. In some benchmarks it rates slower?
Better facetime camera yes and that's it
The iPhone 5 has iOS 7 as well
Yes $100 less than the state of the art 5S, but the same price as remaining iPhone 5s on carriers which is a far classier phone.
The problem is Apple made a cheaper looking phone and cheaper feeling phone, and priced it too high.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
What is your source for 5C sales? And how do you know it's been a disappointment and hasn't the desired appeal Apple wanted (assuming you know what that is)? So far Verizon is the only carrier to report iPhone sales and they didn't break out sales by model. Since we have ZERO sales figures for the 5C specifically and ZERO information on how many 5C's Apple initially produced or is producing on a daily/weekly basis we have no way of saying whether its a disappointment or not. Tim Cook has said in the past we shouldn't pay much attention to supply chain chatter/rumors.
You have no more information than I do. How can you say the 5C is a sales success?
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They just want their extra stuff to sell.
last I checked they beat gs4 in 2 of four major carriers in USA.
I don't think Apple sees the 5C as "extra stuff".
It's not surprising the 5C is doing decently in the US because US customers are blinded by subsidized pricing. I wonder what the picture for the 5C looks like outside the US?
Cherry picked benchmarks. Heavy spin. Pretending a plasticized year old phone is still a flagship. Being an Apple Apologist must be tiring. There's a lot to apologize for lately.
Scott sounds profoundly depressed. Must be the effect of constantly being 'ripped a new one' over on Cnet :smokey:
Being an unabashed Apple fanboi (and a successful commercial artist), the 5C still has my head reeling. Ugly plastic shell, mostly hideous colors, and a case that is even uglier than the phone! What's not to hate? Looks cheap, but is not! On the other side, the 5S is exquisite, incredible colors and design, with features that my friends who own one are raving about! One friend, a regular photographer for National Geographic and a Nikon Mentor (Holds Expert Seminars on photography all over the world), Just bought a 5S, and his first comment was "the camera is incredible! Know anyone looking for Nikon gear?"
Please Apple, I think you need to run all your designs past me first, the "undisputed" arbiter of good taste ; )
Were you complaining the 4s should be $450 last year with 8gb memory?
Do you have The 5c current sales? Do you know Apples desire?
So what are you doing?
You people that equate the 5C to last years 4S are laughable.
Did the 4S last year have a 30 minute introduction at the iPhone 5 special event?
Did the 4S receive hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising globally?
That's why there weren't reports of 4S sitting on shelves. Actually 4Ss weren't even discounted below $99 until this year. The 5C has been on the clearance rack since launch seemingly.
You don't know 5C sales either, but anecdotally there are reports from carriers (the people that actually sell cellphones...) that the iPHone 5C is a slow seller and "not meeting expectations.."
As far as Apple, from their advertising they seemed to have expected the 5C to be more of a smash than it has been. I don't think Tim and Company wanted the 5C to simply be a costly experiment in increasing 5S sales as some posters here are eluding to. If that were the case more advertising dollars would have gone toward the 5S, but they did not initially.
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Hey, you disproved your own point! Thanks. Saves time.
Taking all of my comments out of context. I guess that works for you.
I agree with another commenter that the headline of this article perpetuates the 5c failure myth and should be changed.
The reason all these articles are being written is because any article with 'Apple' in the headline generates more clicks than other articles. Writing about Apples demise is quite fashionable right now. For whatever reason, many Americans are rooting for Apple (an American company) to fail and for Samsung (a South Korean company) to dominate the phone market.
All I know is that the 5c has sold over 3 million units in the first 3 days of being on sale. I'd like to know how that is a "failure" by any measure.
Unlocked T-Mobile with no contract is the way to go. You end up paying more on the installment plan and you can't unlock it for use in other countries. T-Mobile Simple plan is the cheapest among all companies. I have three iPhones and one iPad, all unlocked, on T-Mobile for $100/month with unlimited data, talk, text. Try that with Verizon, ATT, Sprint, or the Walmart plan. An equivalent plan with ATT would cost more than twice as much.
I brought my iPhone 4 over from AT&Terrible to Straight Talk but didn't realize that I would lose visual voicemail and MMS texting. Are both of these retained in the T-Mobile plans with an iPhone?
All I got was more of the same. "Blah blah blah- you can't show me it was a success." In the meantime, you declare it is below expectations but don't have any evidence to support it. Any research that is given to the contrary, you try to tear apart- all the while not having one shred to show for your "point". Whatever that is.
I'd say you're getting tiresome, but it's kind of humerous to see you write 5 paragraphs and really say nothing aside from "I believe" and "I think" and that somehow you believe your opinions make you more credible than research, surveys and reports. And before you retort with "what's wrong with those studies are..."- please show us something more than "I believe".
I like TS's response to the 5c. And he's a "professional". Not an amateur like me...
Pal, we are all allowed to have our opinions. I don't think my opinions are any more valid than anyone else. I have already stated that. I have also stated that I have no more evidence than the next guy, that it is my opinion. Until I see more evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that the 5c, while not a failure by any means for Apple, has not yet lived up to its expectations.
I gave my reasons and for whatever reason it really bothers you. I'm not sure why you think I'm such a powerful person but I'm flattered.
... and I like the fact that TS has given his opinion and I respect that.
Being an unabashed Apple fanboi (and a successful commercial artist), the 5C still has my head reeling. Ugly plastic shell, mostly hideous colors, and a case that is even uglier than the phone! What's not to hate? Looks cheap, but is not! On the other side, the 5S is exquisite, incredible colors and design, with features that my friends who own one are raving about! One friend, a regular photographer for National Geographic and a Nikon Mentor (Holds Expert Seminars on photography all over the world), Just bought a 5S, and his first comment was "the camera is incredible! Know anyone looking for Nikon gear?"
Please Apple, I think you need to run all your designs past me first, the "undisputed" arbiter of good taste ; )
Please tell me what is your profession? I can't believe any artist would call the 5c color "ugly". Last year iPod, yes. The 5c, no. It's as good as it can get.
TO. ADD: you don't seem to have a good taste, sorry. 5s and 5c is different. Can't compare between the two but in term of color you can say that the champagne gold raises eyebrows a bit but all plastic color of 5c is exquisite.
Am I the only one that reads this article as complete satire? I think the author is trying to make fun of all the pundits that want to "be the one" to predict a failing Apple product...
Btw, I just saw a commercial this morning for new Kitchen Aid blenders that come in 10 different colors, and several of the colors were exactly the same as the 5C colors. No one is required to like the 5C colors but I guarantee there are people working at Apple who are more knowledgeable about colors and trends than those of us posting here. And I'll bet it won't be difficult for Apple to add or change colors depending on sales data or customer feedback they get.
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I guess you meant 'concern'?
Predictive text can be a bitch :rolleyes:
This site is doing a good job proclaiming Apple's doom and shaping negative opinions about the brand.
5c = improved 5 (albeit plastic case). Faster processor, better camera, iOS7. $100 less than 5s. What's the problem?
It does not have a faster processor than the 5. In some benchmarks it rates slower?
Better facetime camera yes and that's it
The iPhone 5 has iOS 7 as well
Yes $100 less than the state of the art 5S, but the same price as remaining iPhone 5s on carriers which is a far classier phone.
The problem is Apple made a cheaper looking phone and cheaper feeling phone, and priced it too high.
What is your source for 5C sales? And how do you know it's been a disappointment and hasn't the desired appeal Apple wanted (assuming you know what that is)? So far Verizon is the only carrier to report iPhone sales and they didn't break out sales by model. Since we have ZERO sales figures for the 5C specifically and ZERO information on how many 5C's Apple initially produced or is producing on a daily/weekly basis we have no way of saying whether its a disappointment or not. Tim Cook has said in the past we shouldn't pay much attention to supply chain chatter/rumors.
You have no more information than I do. How can you say the 5C is a sales success?
They just want their extra stuff to sell.
last I checked they beat gs4 in 2 of four major carriers in USA.
I don't think Apple sees the 5C as "extra stuff".
It's not surprising the 5C is doing decently in the US because US customers are blinded by subsidized pricing. I wonder what the picture for the 5C looks like outside the US?
That would be far more telling.
Scott sounds profoundly depressed. Must be the effect of constantly being 'ripped a new one' over on Cnet :smokey:
Please Apple, I think you need to run all your designs past me first, the "undisputed" arbiter of good taste ; )
9.5/10; you had me going there.
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Were you complaining the 4s should be $450 last year with 8gb memory?
Do you have The 5c current sales? Do you know Apples desire?
So what are you doing?
You people that equate the 5C to last years 4S are laughable.
Did the 4S last year have a 30 minute introduction at the iPhone 5 special event?
Did the 4S receive hundreds of millions of dollars in advertising globally?
That's why there weren't reports of 4S sitting on shelves. Actually 4Ss weren't even discounted below $99 until this year. The 5C has been on the clearance rack since launch seemingly.
You don't know 5C sales either, but anecdotally there are reports from carriers (the people that actually sell cellphones...) that the iPHone 5C is a slow seller and "not meeting expectations.."
As far as Apple, from their advertising they seemed to have expected the 5C to be more of a smash than it has been. I don't think Tim and Company wanted the 5C to simply be a costly experiment in increasing 5S sales as some posters here are eluding to. If that were the case more advertising dollars would have gone toward the 5S, but they did not initially.
Hey, you disproved your own point! Thanks. Saves time.
Taking all of my comments out of context. I guess that works for you.
Taking all of my comments out of context.
Yep. Because the context in which you put it was irrelevant. Whereas I got to use it as my reply.
Either that or go ahead and prove you know that Apple sees the 5C as a failure.
The reason all these articles are being written is because any article with 'Apple' in the headline generates more clicks than other articles. Writing about Apples demise is quite fashionable right now. For whatever reason, many Americans are rooting for Apple (an American company) to fail and for Samsung (a South Korean company) to dominate the phone market.
All I know is that the 5c has sold over 3 million units in the first 3 days of being on sale. I'd like to know how that is a "failure" by any measure.
I brought my iPhone 4 over from AT&Terrible to Straight Talk but didn't realize that I would lose visual voicemail and MMS texting. Are both of these retained in the T-Mobile plans with an iPhone?
All I got was more of the same. "Blah blah blah- you can't show me it was a success." In the meantime, you declare it is below expectations but don't have any evidence to support it. Any research that is given to the contrary, you try to tear apart- all the while not having one shred to show for your "point". Whatever that is.
I'd say you're getting tiresome, but it's kind of humerous to see you write 5 paragraphs and really say nothing aside from "I believe" and "I think" and that somehow you believe your opinions make you more credible than research, surveys and reports. And before you retort with "what's wrong with those studies are..."- please show us something more than "I believe".
I like TS's response to the 5c. And he's a "professional". Not an amateur like me...
Pal, we are all allowed to have our opinions. I don't think my opinions are any more valid than anyone else. I have already stated that. I have also stated that I have no more evidence than the next guy, that it is my opinion. Until I see more evidence to the contrary I will continue to think that the 5c, while not a failure by any means for Apple, has not yet lived up to its expectations.
I gave my reasons and for whatever reason it really bothers you. I'm not sure why you think I'm such a powerful person but I'm flattered.
... and I like the fact that TS has given his opinion and I respect that.
Are you pretending they haven’t advertised the 5S? Are you honestly pretending that?
Just curious... I haven't seen any 5s ads. Where have you seen them? I'd like to see it.
I know that Apple just started a printed ad campaign for the 5s.
Please tell me what is your profession? I can't believe any artist would call the 5c color "ugly". Last year iPod, yes. The 5c, no. It's as good as it can get.
TO. ADD: you don't seem to have a good taste, sorry. 5s and 5c is different. Can't compare between the two but in term of color you can say that the champagne gold raises eyebrows a bit but all plastic color of 5c is exquisite.
That’s the idea.
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