I am slightly (emphasis on slightly) surprised that they went with the quad cpu and still upped the price. It appears to be a v2 bump of an E5-1620 That is a logical choice for a base model. I just didn't expect it to hit $3k in that configuration.
I was replying to someone who had implied that the new Pro could not be configured to meet the requirements of professionals, which I totally disagree with. But... high end computing doesn't come cheap even if you purchase parts and build it yourself like that other numb skull boasted. I'm not an expert on cutting edge hardware but I just spec'd out a top of the line iMac on the Apple store and it added up to $3,949.00. Sure, it included a monitor, obviously, but I doubt it is faster than the base Pro.
I think this machine would be twice as fast as a ten year old CRAY. Are we even sure what we are talking about anymore in regards to "Super" computer? I think this thing does 2 teraflops compute and 72 graphics (yeah, I'm too lazy to look up the specs -- and that is a LUDICROUS amount of power which is why I vaguely remember it).
So "super duper" computer will have to be a Petaflop now. You are NOT buying a Super Duper Computer, but yes, you in fact DO HAVE a Super Computer on your desktop. Or on your floor. Personally, I'd mount this on a lamp shade and disguise it as a lava lamp, just to keep everyone guessing how I'm pulling these mad hacks out of thin air!
I'm thinking it will be great for keeping the coffee pot warm, maybe even hot.
I was replying to someone who had implied that the new Pro could not be configured to meet the requirements of professionals, which I totally disagree with. But... high end computing doesn't come cheap even if you purchase parts and build it yourself like that other numb skull boasted. I'm not an expert on cutting edge hardware but I just spec'd out a top of the line iMac on the Apple store and it added up to $3,949.00. Sure, it included a monitor, obviously, but I doubt it is faster than the base Pro.
I have to believe you are correct, I bet the Mac Pro is faster, probably by a long way.
I am thrilled to see RAM and SSD are user accessible and presumably upgradable, contrary to many rumors.
Anyone know if an Apple LCD Monitor can be hooked up to the TB port? I seem to recall the answer is yes if it is at the end of a chain.
I was hoping for a nice new monitor to push 4K display data to. I am tired of seeing pixels and frustrated an iPad has more pixels than my work monitor.
I bet a 4K monitor will be announced with the 8 and 12 core versions.
Edit: I take that back the 8 and 12 are already on the Apple Store web site. So no 4K display yet ... seems odd for sure.
I think this machine would be twice as fast as a ten year old CRAY. Are we even sure what we are talking about anymore in regards to "Super" computer? I think this thing does 2 teraflops compute and 72 graphics (yeah, I'm too lazy to look up the specs -- and that is a LUDICROUS amount of power which is why I vaguely remember it).
Supercomputers evolve just the same as desktop computers. For example, one installation of Blue Gene/P uses 250,000 processors. So yeah, as powerful as the Mac Pro is, it's not quite at that level.
You do realize that sounds extremely stupid, right? Why would you hook up a MacPro to a 65" TV over something more sane like a couple of 32" 4k monitors that will likely be cheaper and not need a huge desk to hold them?
You do realize that sounds extremely stupid, right? Why would you hook up a MacPro to a 65" TV over something more sane like a couple of 32" 4k monitors that will likely be cheaper and not need a huge desk to hold them?
I think it was a jest.
BTW do you have links for the monitors you describe that have Thunderbolt 2?
I was replying to someone who had implied that the new Pro could not be configured to meet the requirements of professionals, which I totally disagree with. But... high end computing doesn't come cheap even if you purchase parts and build it yourself like that other numb skull boasted. I'm not an expert on cutting edge hardware but I just spec'd out a top of the line iMac on the Apple store and it added up to $3,949.00. Sure, it included a monitor, obviously, but I doubt it is faster than the base Pro.
I know. I wasn't arguing over that. If we're talking about X86 core performance, the main jumps in the past couple cycles have come from core count increases. CTO configurations can be a little misleading as the markups on things like ram and large ssds are huge. They seem to be pushing the fact that it has dual gpus. I am still interested in seeing how it fares in real world use.
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Well I think you are going to see a huge speed bump with the base config over something with a similar spec'd CPU. The data channel here is wide and fast. I think I remember dual channels to the storage. They've gotten rid of a lot of bottlenecks especially in the graphics pipeline where most of the processing is going on these days. With ultrafast access to video, storage and all peripherals, what are you needing so much more CPU for? Other than non-optimized 3D apps, what's going to wear out this CPU? JavaScript hacks? Word?
That varies from application to application. I am keeping an eye on this, but I won't exactly be a day 1 buyer.
Does anyone think the graphics in the new macbook pro (discrete) are worth the upgrade from the 650M chipset? (I play a bit of starcraft, seems like a expensive upgrade to just slightly better graphics)
I know. I wasn't arguing over that. If we're talking about X86 core performance, the main jumps in the past couple cycles have come from core count increases. CTO configurations can be a little misleading as the markups on things like ram and large ssds are huge. They seem to be pushing the fact that it has dual gpus. I am still interested in seeing how it fares in real world use.
That varies from application to application. I am keeping an eye on this, but I won't exactly be a day 1 buyer.
I'm wondering when we're going to hear about the new versions of Final Cut X and Aperture applications that were mentioned by Phil during the Mac Pro announcement. Am I the only one who heard him say that and wondered about them?
I'm wondering when we're going to hear about the new versions of Final Cut X and Aperture applications that were mentioned by Phil during the Mac Pro announcement. Am I the only one who heard him say that and wondered about them?
They don’t need to come out until December, so December.
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I am slightly (emphasis on slightly) surprised that they went with the quad cpu and still upped the price. It appears to be a v2 bump of an E5-1620 That is a logical choice for a base model. I just didn't expect it to hit $3k in that configuration.
I was replying to someone who had implied that the new Pro could not be configured to meet the requirements of professionals, which I totally disagree with. But... high end computing doesn't come cheap even if you purchase parts and build it yourself like that other numb skull boasted. I'm not an expert on cutting edge hardware but I just spec'd out a top of the line iMac on the Apple store and it added up to $3,949.00. Sure, it included a monitor, obviously, but I doubt it is faster than the base Pro.
I'm thinking it will be great for keeping the coffee pot warm, maybe even hot.
I have to believe you are correct, I bet the Mac Pro is faster, probably by a long way.
I am thrilled to see RAM and SSD are user accessible and presumably upgradable, contrary to many rumors.
Anyone know if an Apple LCD Monitor can be hooked up to the TB port? I seem to recall the answer is yes if it is at the end of a chain.
I bet a 4K monitor will be announced with the 8 and 12 core versions.
Edit: I take that back the 8 and 12 are already on the Apple Store web site. So no 4K display yet ... seems odd for sure.
I think this machine would be twice as fast as a ten year old CRAY. Are we even sure what we are talking about anymore in regards to "Super" computer? I think this thing does 2 teraflops compute and 72 graphics (yeah, I'm too lazy to look up the specs -- and that is a LUDICROUS amount of power which is why I vaguely remember it).
Supercomputers evolve just the same as desktop computers. For example, one installation of Blue Gene/P uses 250,000 processors. So yeah, as powerful as the Mac Pro is, it's not quite at that level.
Too bad there won't be a BTO option of upgrading to the D500 dual GPGPUs with the Quad Core Xeon.
That's life.
Studying the specs for the custom D500 line series of GPGPUs it appears they've taken a W9000 capabilities and spread it across dual D500s.
That's nice.
Hope the memory configurations offer 2x16 option otherwise you're tossing money out to upgrade to 4 x 16 which runs around $1k.
Just wondering if I could plug a Mac Pro into my iMac, to create a fusion style setup?
If you have a Thunderbolt equipped iMac you can use it as a display for your Mac Pro.
You heard it here first, this means Apple is holding another event before the year ends! An Apple TV event!
Mac Pro needs 4K. But it´ll be a 65" TV
Mac Pro needs 4K. But it´ll be a 65" TV
You do realize that sounds extremely stupid, right? Why would you hook up a MacPro to a 65" TV over something more sane like a couple of 32" 4k monitors that will likely be cheaper and not need a huge desk to hold them?
Jeez that's a f*****g big screen to sit right in from of! But I want one! Hell two!
I think it was a jest.
BTW do you have links for the monitors you describe that have Thunderbolt 2?
I was replying to someone who had implied that the new Pro could not be configured to meet the requirements of professionals, which I totally disagree with. But... high end computing doesn't come cheap even if you purchase parts and build it yourself like that other numb skull boasted. I'm not an expert on cutting edge hardware but I just spec'd out a top of the line iMac on the Apple store and it added up to $3,949.00. Sure, it included a monitor, obviously, but I doubt it is faster than the base Pro.
I know. I wasn't arguing over that. If we're talking about X86 core performance, the main jumps in the past couple cycles have come from core count increases. CTO configurations can be a little misleading as the markups on things like ram and large ssds are huge. They seem to be pushing the fact that it has dual gpus. I am still interested in seeing how it fares in real world use.
Well I think you are going to see a huge speed bump with the base config over something with a similar spec'd CPU. The data channel here is wide and fast. I think I remember dual channels to the storage. They've gotten rid of a lot of bottlenecks especially in the graphics pipeline where most of the processing is going on these days. With ultrafast access to video, storage and all peripherals, what are you needing so much more CPU for? Other than non-optimized 3D apps, what's going to wear out this CPU? JavaScript hacks? Word?
That varies from application to application. I am keeping an eye on this, but I won't exactly be a day 1 buyer.
Does anyone think the graphics in the new macbook pro (discrete) are worth the upgrade from the 650M chipset? (I play a bit of starcraft, seems like a expensive upgrade to just slightly better graphics)
Released so close to end of tax year darn it!
Released so close to end of tax year darn it!
Still not doing it. Sadly I am not in need of writeoffs at the moment.
So the professional looks at the D500 starting at $3999. Glad they have this option.
Too bad there won't be a BTO option of upgrading to the D500 dual GPGPUs with the Quad Core Xeon.
That's life.
Studying the specs for the custom D500 line series of GPGPUs it appears they've taken a W9000 capabilities and spread it across dual D500s.
That's nice.
Hope the memory configurations offer 2x16 option otherwise you're tossing money out to upgrade to 4 x 16 which runs around $1k.
Actually if you look at apples website it says that you can put dual d500s in the quad core.
Configurable to dual AMD FirePro D500, each with 3GB GDDR5 VRAM, 1526 stream processors, 384-bit-wide memory bus, 240GB/s memory bandwidth, and 2.2 teraflops performance; or dual AMD FirePro D700, each with 6GB of GDDR5 VRAM, 2048 stream processors, 384-bit-wide memory bus, 264GB/s memory bandwidth, and 3.5 teraflops performance
I'm wondering when we're going to hear about the new versions of Final Cut X and Aperture applications that were mentioned by Phil during the Mac Pro announcement. Am I the only one who heard him say that and wondered about them?
They don’t need to come out until December, so December.