Anyone want my DST rant? I hate DST more than a few of the things I’ve hated here.
Seriously, drop all this nonsense. Imagine you’re an alien, looking down on the planet. What would you think?
“So… twice a year you guys just pretend it’s a different time? Why, again, should we consider you sapient and therefore immune from becoming a slave race?”
Actually, a "time" is just a convention that society has agreed on. It's not necessarily related to anything logical or physical (even though, it helps if it is). Therefore, yes, it shows humans as sapient, since they can agree to a common referential.
Clearly this is by design and part of the 'master plan'
Apple users will show up to all meeting an hour later than their non-Apple counterparts. This will lead to 'Apple only' meetings and further segregate Apple users behind the 'walled garden.' No doubt the topic will invariably shift to the greatness of all things Apple and these meeting will provide a venue for the faithful to conspire against their heathen brethren.....
Oh, sure, you can *claim* its just an innocent bug that will most likely be fixed before it hits the US.... but I'm on to you.
Clearly this is by design and part of the 'master plan'
Apple users will show up to all meeting an hour later than their non-Apple counterparts. This will lead to 'Apple only' meetings and further segregate Apple users behind the 'walled garden.' No doubt the topic will invariably shift to the greatness of all things Apple and these meeting will provide a venue for the faithful to conspire against their heathen brethren.....
Oh, sure, you can *claim* its just an innocent bug that will most likely be fixed before it hits the US.... but I'm on to you.
Now, that's one interesting theory. You'll have to admit though that Surface owners are cooler looking with their ability to breakdance.
No we are in Daylight Savings Time now, the switch to Standard time is next weekend.
So it seems that many things in this article seem to be messed up.
You're right that the switch is to standard time, not to daylight savings time, which (in the U.S.) we are still in now. And in the U.S., we do switch form DST to ST next weekend, but in Europe, they did switch this past weekend.
It does vary a bit around the world and there are even places where the offset is half an hour, not an hour. And then there are places in the U.S. (and elsewhere) where they never switch to Daylight Savings Time, like Arizona and Hawaii. I had to build functionality into an application where the users could enter the dates for their territory and also enter the positive or negative offset, so that it would work everywhere.
Therefore, yes, it shows humans as sapient, since they can agree to a common referential.
There’s sapience and then there’s sapience. Would we (external) consider us (internal) sapient if we (external) right now had control over matter at the Planck level and us (internal) did not?
Originally Posted by jobsonmyface
Again? Embarrassing.
When has this happened before? It has happened to Microsoft multiple times. Apple? When?
That's completely opposite. DST is because people stay awake at night more than they do in the day, so you shift the clock so you get more daylight. People stay up till say midnight, which is sunset + ~6 hours. You don't wake up at sunrise - 6 hours = ~1 AM.
Farmers dislike DST because their day is set by the sun, not the clock. I guess people like to bash farmers as hicks when they don't know what they're talking about.
I grew up on a farm and never understood the opposition to DST. In fact DST seemed better for farmers than standard time. In fact double DST would have been even better.
That's completely opposite. DST is because people stay awake at night more than they do in the day, so you shift the clock so you get more daylight. People stay up till say midnight, which is sunset + ~6 hours. You don't wake up at sunrise - 6 hours = ~1 AM.
Farmers dislike DST because their day is set by the sun, not the clock. I guess people like to bash farmers as hicks when they don't know what they're talking about.
I grew up on a farm and never understood the opposition to DST. In fact DST seemed better for farmers than standard time. In fact double DST would have been even better.
On the flip side of the coin... I grew up in a farming community that has never had DST and they don't want it now.
That's completely opposite. DST is because people stay awake at night more than they do in the day, so you shift the clock so you get more daylight. People stay up till say midnight, which is sunset + ~6 hours. You don't wake up at sunrise - 6 hours = ~1 AM.
Farmers dislike DST because their day is set by the sun, not the clock. I guess people like to bash farmers as hicks when they don't know what they're talking about.
I grew up on a farm and never understood the opposition to DST. In fact DST seemed better for farmers than standard time. In fact double DST would have been even better.
I'm no farmer and know almost nothing about it, but my understanding is that farmers do most of their work in early morning. Not that it really matters….if one doesn't like DST, all you have to do is do everything an hour earlier than what the clock says and you'll be back on standard time.
Most of the opposition to DST is actually from parents of young children, who don't want their kids going to school in the dark. DST supposedly saves energy because it provides more sunlight in the late afternoon and dinnertime hours when energy usage is at its peak, but I wonder, especially as people move to lower energy-consuming lighting, whether that's still going to be true in the future. Most people put a light on when they're home anyway, even during the day, unless they have very large and bright windows.
In the summer, in northern European cities, it can stay light until close to 10pm.
Not that I'm opposed to DST. I prefer it and would be very happy if we stayed in DST all winter.
Daylight 'saving' time has caused problems for all OSes from the dawn of Unix till now.
The best solution would be to get rid of daylight 'saving' altogether.
I agree. I hate changing the time, although it affects me less than other people who actually need to be somewhere early in the morning at a precise time. I let the sun and the birds wake me up.
BTW the DST problems do not originate in UNIX. UNIX uses time(); which is the number of seconds since 00:00:00 1 January 1970 UCT and is unaffected by DST. The problems are caused by programmers who do not properly handle the conversion to conventional date time format.
I will be filing a lawsuit next week against Apple for lost wages. I use my iPhone as an alarm clock, so apparently I will be late to work and lose an hours worth of pay. /s
Are named months actually necessary? And BTW we already have winter in July. It depends on your latitude.
LOL. Of course you are kidding about months being necessary. Let's just change the system tomorrow, cancel the month designations and see how that works out. Now, let's cancel DST from here forward and let's see how that works out. Which one do you think will have the most consequences.
... and, yes, they have winter in July in the southern hemisphere but let's see how it works out when the seasons are slowly going out of sync with the calendar.
LOL. Of course you are kidding about months being necessary. Let's just change the system tomorrow, cancel the month designations and see how that works out. Now, let's cancel DST from here forward and let's see how that works out. Which one do you think will have the most consequences.
... and, yes, they have winter in July in the southern hemisphere but let's see how it works out when the seasons are slowly going out of sync with the calendar.
I'm suggesting that months are entirely unnecessary and just a legacy from a bunch of Dark Ages bureaucrats and religious zealots created to organize tax collection and holidays on their flat Earth. We'd all be a lot better off without them. There is no logical relationship between days, months and years. Ancient cultures accidentally got it right using, moons to measure months and equinox and solstice to measure seasons/years and the Earth's rotation to measure days with no evenly divided relationships among them.
Sure, removing months would cause all kinds of havoc in our modern culture but it would be temporary and we would get through it just fine. But that is probably never going to happen and people will continue to say "bless you" when you sneeze.
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Anyone want my DST rant? I hate DST more than a few of the things I’ve hated here.
Seriously, drop all this nonsense. Imagine you’re an alien, looking down on the planet. What would you think?
“So… twice a year you guys just pretend it’s a different time? Why, again, should we consider you sapient and therefore immune from becoming a slave race?”
Actually, a "time" is just a convention that society has agreed on. It's not necessarily related to anything logical or physical (even though, it helps if it is). Therefore, yes, it shows humans as sapient, since they can agree to a common referential.
Leap year at least makes sense.
So does DST.
Clearly this is by design and part of the 'master plan'
Apple users will show up to all meeting an hour later than their non-Apple counterparts. This will lead to 'Apple only' meetings and further segregate Apple users behind the 'walled garden.' No doubt the topic will invariably shift to the greatness of all things Apple and these meeting will provide a venue for the faithful to conspire against their heathen brethren.....
Oh, sure, you can *claim* its just an innocent bug that will most likely be fixed before it hits the US.... but I'm on to you.
Clearly this is by design and part of the 'master plan'
Apple users will show up to all meeting an hour later than their non-Apple counterparts. This will lead to 'Apple only' meetings and further segregate Apple users behind the 'walled garden.' No doubt the topic will invariably shift to the greatness of all things Apple and these meeting will provide a venue for the faithful to conspire against their heathen brethren.....
Oh, sure, you can *claim* its just an innocent bug that will most likely be fixed before it hits the US.... but I'm on to you.
Now, that's one interesting theory. You'll have to admit though that Surface owners are cooler looking with their ability to breakdance.
Haha
No we are in Daylight Savings Time now, the switch to Standard time is next weekend.
So it seems that many things in this article seem to be messed up.
You're right that the switch is to standard time, not to daylight savings time, which (in the U.S.) we are still in now. And in the U.S., we do switch form DST to ST next weekend, but in Europe, they did switch this past weekend.
It does vary a bit around the world and there are even places where the offset is half an hour, not an hour. And then there are places in the U.S. (and elsewhere) where they never switch to Daylight Savings Time, like Arizona and Hawaii. I had to build functionality into an application where the users could enter the dates for their territory and also enter the positive or negative offset, so that it would work everywhere.
There’s sapience and then there’s sapience. Would we (external) consider us (internal) sapient if we (external) right now had control over matter at the Planck level and us (internal) did not?
When has this happened before? It has happened to Microsoft multiple times. Apple? When?
That's completely opposite. DST is because people stay awake at night more than they do in the day, so you shift the clock so you get more daylight. People stay up till say midnight, which is sunset + ~6 hours. You don't wake up at sunrise - 6 hours = ~1 AM.
Farmers dislike DST because their day is set by the sun, not the clock. I guess people like to bash farmers as hicks when they don't know what they're talking about.
I grew up on a farm and never understood the opposition to DST. In fact DST seemed better for farmers than standard time. In fact double DST would have been even better.That's completely opposite. DST is because people stay awake at night more than they do in the day, so you shift the clock so you get more daylight. People stay up till say midnight, which is sunset + ~6 hours. You don't wake up at sunrise - 6 hours = ~1 AM.
Farmers dislike DST because their day is set by the sun, not the clock. I guess people like to bash farmers as hicks when they don't know what they're talking about.
I grew up on a farm and never understood the opposition to DST. In fact DST seemed better for farmers than standard time. In fact double DST would have been even better.
On the flip side of the coin... I grew up in a farming community that has never had DST and they don't want it now.
That's completely opposite. DST is because people stay awake at night more than they do in the day, so you shift the clock so you get more daylight. People stay up till say midnight, which is sunset + ~6 hours. You don't wake up at sunrise - 6 hours = ~1 AM.
Farmers dislike DST because their day is set by the sun, not the clock. I guess people like to bash farmers as hicks when they don't know what they're talking about.
I grew up on a farm and never understood the opposition to DST. In fact DST seemed better for farmers than standard time. In fact double DST would have been even better.
I'm no farmer and know almost nothing about it, but my understanding is that farmers do most of their work in early morning. Not that it really matters….if one doesn't like DST, all you have to do is do everything an hour earlier than what the clock says and you'll be back on standard time.
Most of the opposition to DST is actually from parents of young children, who don't want their kids going to school in the dark. DST supposedly saves energy because it provides more sunlight in the late afternoon and dinnertime hours when energy usage is at its peak, but I wonder, especially as people move to lower energy-consuming lighting, whether that's still going to be true in the future. Most people put a light on when they're home anyway, even during the day, unless they have very large and bright windows.
In the summer, in northern European cities, it can stay light until close to 10pm.
Not that I'm opposed to DST. I prefer it and would be very happy if we stayed in DST all winter.
Works fine for me on iOS6.
Daylight 'saving' time has caused problems for all OSes from the dawn of Unix till now.
The best solution would be to get rid of daylight 'saving' altogether.
I agree. I hate changing the time, although it affects me less than other people who actually need to be somewhere early in the morning at a precise time. I let the sun and the birds wake me up.
BTW the DST problems do not originate in UNIX. UNIX uses time(); which is the number of seconds since 00:00:00 1 January 1970 UCT and is unaffected by DST. The problems are caused by programmers who do not properly handle the conversion to conventional date time format.
So does DST.
Hardly.
I have proof that people live without DST quite comfortably and don't want it, don't need it.
Without leap years though... well, eventually we'd have July in the winter. Basically, the calnedar would be a confusing mess.
Tell me which one is necessary and which one isn't.
I will be filing a lawsuit next week against Apple for lost wages. I use my iPhone as an alarm clock, so apparently I will be late to work and lose an hours worth of pay. /s
Hardly.
I have proof that people live without DST quite comfortably and don't want it, don't need it.
Without leap years though... well, eventually we'd have July in the winter. Basically, the calnedar would be a confusing mess.
Tell me which one is necessary and which one isn't.
Isn't the calendar already a confusing mess? Are named months actually necessary? And BTW we already have winter in July. It depends on your latitude.
Saying “It’s Twelve Twenty” sounds stupid and pretentious.
Also, it sounds like a time.
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“It’s Four Fifteen on Four Fifteen!”
Saying “It’s Twelve Twenty” sounds stupid and pretentious.
Also, it sounds like a time.
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“It’s Four Fifteen on Four Fifteen!”
Sorry I meant get rid of months entirely for example it is currently 1382976306. Not ambiguous at all.
Are named months actually necessary? And BTW we already have winter in July. It depends on your latitude.
LOL. Of course you are kidding about months being necessary. Let's just change the system tomorrow, cancel the month designations and see how that works out. Now, let's cancel DST from here forward and let's see how that works out. Which one do you think will have the most consequences.
... and, yes, they have winter in July in the southern hemisphere but let's see how it works out when the seasons are slowly going out of sync with the calendar.
... and, yes, they have winter in July in the southern hemisphere but let's see how it works out when the seasons are slowly going out of sync with the calendar.
I'm suggesting that months are entirely unnecessary and just a legacy from a bunch of Dark Ages bureaucrats and religious zealots created to organize tax collection and holidays on their flat Earth. We'd all be a lot better off without them. There is no logical relationship between days, months and years. Ancient cultures accidentally got it right using, moons to measure months and equinox and solstice to measure seasons/years and the Earth's rotation to measure days with no evenly divided relationships among them.
Sure, removing months would cause all kinds of havoc in our modern culture but it would be temporary and we would get through it just fine. But that is probably never going to happen and people will continue to say "bless you" when you sneeze.