wrong post! lol AI crashes after every edit I make and I answered my self instead of TS after such a crash! Please have this blog fixed AI or tell me how to stop it if it is my Safari 7.0 alone doing this!
Keynote, iMovie, Numbers are all getting hammered in the forums and on the store.
Though I know the media likes to focus on hardware, Apple is also a very big software maker. Will AI write an article about software?
Overall, I am getting the feeling that Apple is in a post-Steve slump and are stumbling a bit. Quite a bit?
Overall I am gettling the feeling you like being first in line to imply Apple’s demise…. yet again….
I think your supposition, beginning with this, "The Pages thread is 45 pages long with 665 messages detailing a disaster.” pretty much ALL comes down to what was posted in the FIFTH post on the first page of that thread (by someone who had already posted a “disastrous!” post previously):
"Actually, I found how to delete page in Pages 5.0 (iWork 2013...), after few minutes of frustration because of not being able to do that the old way.”
Because of not being able to do it the old way. A few minutes of frustration. Right.
Aired out on the Apple Support Forums, so people like you could post elsewhere what a DISASTER the new iWorks and so many other “post-Steve” things are.
OK. It changed. But rather than learn how (and explore why Apple made this decision to change it, which they may grow to appreciate once adjusted for), they race to the boards to “lodge a complaint”.
The new iWork has TENS OF MILLIONS of users already. And a few dozen are taking major issue with the changes. Yes. Read through that “massive train wreck” thread, and you’ll discover it’s a relative few posting over and over, alongside many not-so-terrible issues and lots of attempted solutions… lots of posts and pages of posts make it a “hot” issue, but not necessarily a deeply valid one. Yes. There have been changes. Yes, among those there may be a bug or three to work out. No, it is NOT a “disaster”.
No. I suggest that you try iWork, compare this new version and previous versions before making assumptions. This has little to do with developers not keeping up. This has to do with a conscious decision by Apple to *reset* iWork. Some features have regressed. Some have changed outright. Some folks have compared this to what happened to FCP. Some believe Apple took 2 steps backward on purpose to make iWork consistent across all platforms (iOS, MacOS and iCloud).
All to say, let's not make stuff up.
I know that they made tradeoffs in the near-term to make the software fully compatible across all platforms.
I also know that now they have that unification, they can move them all forward again as “one entity”.
If they have sidelined a few features in the near-term to achieve that, you can almost count on those being restored quickly, across all the platforms. Much like FCP.
That said, I’m working with the new iWork daily, making the necessary adjustments, and not feeling like it’s really coming up short. I do see some of the differences being discussed (a couple of sueful features seeming to be “missing”), and I fully expect them to be restored over time, if they are really important.
But you know, Office is bloated with a huge number of features that 98% of people literally NEVER use, but COMPLAIN about when they are removed.. so, I take a great deal of these “I noticed something missing” reports with a grain of salt.
As I said, I use the new software daily, and haven’t had my productivity “broken” by the changes...
I bought a nicely configured iMac a few weeks ago and have noticed the keyboard stops responding from time to time. The mouse and trackpad (wireless in my case) continue to function fine. The workaround until an OS update is to unplug the keyboard's USB cabe and then plug it back in.
Your answer accomplished nothing more than making me feel (or anyone posting similar) that we are completely wrong....without providing any citations to prove otherwise.
Citations? You want 400,000 citations?
I mean… I literally cannot remember what I did five minutes ago. I have to force myself not to eat because, since I never feel hungry, I can overeat easily because I don’t remember when it last happened. I have to have sound alert reminders to brush my teeth, to check what I need before going to the store, etc. because I won’t even remember to check a text list of things to have forgotten otherwise. I never respond to people by name because I’m terrified that I don’t know their names.
And I still remember this stuff enough to say, without having to question myself as I am forced to do with everything else, that errors, bugs, and mishaps happened during Steve’s tenure. Part of this is because I have to work out everything from its logical foundation upward to derive a conclusion since I can’t just remember the content itself.
Anyway, Steve Jobs was human, therefore he failed–or was wrong–at least once. Therefore he did fail, which, after research, is apparent in products both hardware and software, and in business decisions. He failed, I would say, no more or less than his personally-trained team. He hired Sculley, they hired… the guy. retail. sucked at it. Whoever he was. Steve made a puck mouse. They made a smaller iPad. Same diff, even with software.
So what you’re saying is that these questions wouldn’t have been raised if Steve was still with us…
Yep. The question, “Would Apple have been better off if Steve had not come back?” would not have been raised because, as should be apparent, the answer is obvious.
In other words we are focusing on the bad and wrongly see more because we're trying to look for places to point fingers?
That’s it. Steve was a wunderkind, wunderman, and wunder… whatever else. With him gone, it’s easy as can be to blame failings on who was left behind. Never mind that similar, equal failings (and “failings”) happened under his tenure and were neither blamed on him (whether appropriate) nor on the people under him (same).
My suspicion (as seems to be the conventional wisdom) is that Apple more-or-less ported over the iOS versions of iWork to OSX (after all, didn't Apple proclaim these were rewritten from the ground up?) and that's why a lot of functionality was removed from all of the apps. I sincerely hope that Apple begins adding back what's missing and enhanced beyond what we had before. Migrate what was once Bento into the suite, give Numbers some real power (more functions, pivot tables, larger worksheets) and iWork could be a real Office productivity replacement for a large percentage of us. The new collaboration features look like they could be great, but the apps themselves just need to be a bit less watered down.
I'm with you, especially when it comes to Bento. I am now using Filemaker but it takes awhile to learn how to recreate all the files I had in Bento. Essentially I had to become an FM specialist so I could get Bento back. And I suspect there are a lot of us out there who really don't need the power of FM. Bento as part of iWork would be really a treat.
I'm with you, especially when it comes to Bento. I am now using Filemaker but it takes awhile to learn how to recreate all the files I had in Bento. Essentially I had to become an FM specialist so I could get Bento back. And I suspect there are a lot of us out there who really don't need the power of FM. Bento as part of iWork would be really a treat.
www.apple.com/feedback
Tell Apple directly, we can't do anything about what Apple does, we only sit here being armchair quarterbacks, and the peanut gallery, so we have little control. :-)
I like Bento, I thought it might have been more popular, but I think it was one of those s/w apps that is very useful to some, but maybe not enough. I don't know why Apple doesn't bring FM, the company, completely under Apple instead of them being separated as much as they are. They basically act like a completely separate company that gets no attention from Apple. It would be funny if they had several versions FM, a basic database like Bento, relational like regular FM and then a transactional like Oracle. I thought they still made it. I haven't been keeping tabs on Bento. I guess databases aren't the big killer app since databases take a back seat in the eyes of the public and media. It's never been a sexy enough topic for the media and the public at large. Even Word processors and spreadsheets aren't as popular amongst discussions as they were in the 80's. Back then you mentioned one tiny feature and it practically got front page headline news article in InfoWorld and other computer mags. What was big news back 30 years ago is trivial today. Oh well.
Part of this is because I have to work out everything from its logical foundation upward to derive a conclusion since I can’t just remember the content itself.
Hahahahahaha
Your posts almost never contain logic. They are emotional and full of revisionist history and empty accusations.
Thanks for that; I’m glad to know you’re wrong, though.
You know what's weird? The more I give you a hard time for saying things I don't like, the more I like you. You make these forums...interesting. Maybe that's it. Maybe I like you for giving me more opportunities to engage.
My company has been all Mac for over a decade. Now suddenly we are to start looking into Windows. Sure, it is just a first look, but it is happening.
The Windows guy is a friend of mine, so the meeting should go well (if he can get over my many attempts over the years to convert him to Mac). I plan to show up with my rMBP, as I know he will drool over it.
Thanks! I'm not going to even open the new iWork apps again until they are updated with new (old) features, which I hope happens soon.
Someone said it above, but I wonder if Apple could benefit from better communication. Lots of people, for example, didn't know '09 was still on their machines and had heart attacks when the lost functionality hit their files. Had Apple stated somewhere that '09 would be left in place, there might have been fewer headaches all around.
But this is Apple. Secrecy, simplicity and brevity. Some of the reasons we like them. Some of the reasons they drive us crazy.
My company has been all Mac for over a decade. Now suddenly we are to start looking into Windows. Sure, it is just a first look, but it is happening.
The Windows guy is a friend of mine, so the meeting should go well (if he can get over my many attempts over the years to convert him to Mac). I plan to show up with my rMBP, as I know he will drool over it.
Well drool as he might, it takes time for people to make the switch.
Have you given thought to the fact that due to the finances of your company that they may be considering the switch to pc because of its affordability?
That might be my main concern with this pc/Mac switching if I were you.
It could be a sign of the economy's affect on your company's growth.
Regarding the peeking into Windows: I live in Japan and the economy could be a reason. Sales taxes are due to go up in April by 3% and then the next year another 2%. Electricity costs are increasing as power companies spend more on oil now that nuclear plants are all but closed. Gasoline prices are going up. But then my boss is, well, unique, so it could anything.
Personally (and at work) I want a MacPro but will have to think hard about it. If I jump I'll also have the display to pick up, too, so it will be a pretty penny. Too bad the Apple Store doesn't list the prices for the various options, yet. Luckily I already have Thunderbolt drives.
As for mavericks, it's less than a week ago. And contrary to the FUD spreaders at no point did anyone at Apple ever even hint that there still is trouble free.
The Mac operating system is designed to be easy to use and engineered to take full advantage of the technologies built into every computer we make. So everything works just the way you expect it to.
So where does it say, "BTW this is a Beta"?
History shows that most software is buggy but do you really think it fair to malign customers that are having problems?
The Mac operating system is designed to be easy to use and engineered to take full advantage of the technologies built into every computer we make. So everything works just the way you expect it to.
So where does it say, "BTW this is a Beta"?
History shows that most software is buggy but do you really think it fair to malign customers that are having problems?
I think they should say beta. They should know better, they did say beta when they were playing around with the iCloud version before it got finalized.
Never mind, i was referring to iWork.
Actually, bugs in ANY new software is going to happen. The sooner you understand this, the less complaining. This has happened since the beginning of time with software.
There are averages when it comes to number of bugs per lines of code and there are too many possible ways to configure one's computer with hardware and software, but Apple does a great job in fixing them as there is usually bug fixes shortly after the initial release and then about 6 months later the majority of the bugs that affects us are gone and then it's just a matter of bug fixes that might address another s/w or h/w that gets released afterwards. How many bug fixes have their been for each major release of OS X looking back historically? They are releasing less number of updates because they are either having less number of bugs or fixing them quicker.
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Huddler is perfect. It's you're fault. /s
Yep.
Do you have a histogram of bugs found within 2 months of every release to back up your "yep"? Would love to see this.
Huddler is perfect. It's you're fault. /s
*Your* fault. Typically, this egregious error works the other way - substituting *your* for *you're*. Your type of illiteracy is rare.
Overall I am gettling the feeling you like being first in line to imply Apple’s demise…. yet again….
I think your supposition, beginning with this, "The Pages thread is 45 pages long with 665 messages detailing a disaster.” pretty much ALL comes down to what was posted in the FIFTH post on the first page of that thread (by someone who had already posted a “disastrous!” post previously):
"Actually, I found how to delete page in Pages 5.0 (iWork 2013...), after few minutes of frustration because of not being able to do that the old way.”
Because of not being able to do it the old way. A few minutes of frustration. Right.
Aired out on the Apple Support Forums, so people like you could post elsewhere what a DISASTER the new iWorks and so many other “post-Steve” things are.
OK. It changed. But rather than learn how (and explore why Apple made this decision to change it, which they may grow to appreciate once adjusted for), they race to the boards to “lodge a complaint”.
The new iWork has TENS OF MILLIONS of users already. And a few dozen are taking major issue with the changes. Yes. Read through that “massive train wreck” thread, and you’ll discover it’s a relative few posting over and over, alongside many not-so-terrible issues and lots of attempted solutions… lots of posts and pages of posts make it a “hot” issue, but not necessarily a deeply valid one. Yes. There have been changes. Yes, among those there may be a bug or three to work out. No, it is NOT a “disaster”.
Nor a “trend”.
Please. Finger OFF the panic button. Thanks.
I know that they made tradeoffs in the near-term to make the software fully compatible across all platforms.
I also know that now they have that unification, they can move them all forward again as “one entity”.
If they have sidelined a few features in the near-term to achieve that, you can almost count on those being restored quickly, across all the platforms. Much like FCP.
That said, I’m working with the new iWork daily, making the necessary adjustments, and not feeling like it’s really coming up short. I do see some of the differences being discussed (a couple of sueful features seeming to be “missing”), and I fully expect them to be restored over time, if they are really important.
But you know, Office is bloated with a huge number of features that 98% of people literally NEVER use, but COMPLAIN about when they are removed.. so, I take a great deal of these “I noticed something missing” reports with a grain of salt.
As I said, I use the new software daily, and haven’t had my productivity “broken” by the changes...
Well I said a lot of things but never that it's "as good as it gets".
I was speaking about apple in general as company who provides software, hardware,and services.
Sure in some areas they are bested but in totality ...for my money....they are still the best.
I also stated that every company has their hiccups.
I trust they will hammer them out in a timely fashion.
It's a tough business and I for one, understand that I cannot expect perfection.
But I can see and sumpathize what frustrations these hiccups caus people.
But I have never experienced they Hell I went through with Microsoft at apple.
Citations? You want 400,000 citations?
I mean… I literally cannot remember what I did five minutes ago. I have to force myself not to eat because, since I never feel hungry, I can overeat easily because I don’t remember when it last happened. I have to have sound alert reminders to brush my teeth, to check what I need before going to the store, etc. because I won’t even remember to check a text list of things to have forgotten otherwise. I never respond to people by name because I’m terrified that I don’t know their names.
And I still remember this stuff enough to say, without having to question myself as I am forced to do with everything else, that errors, bugs, and mishaps happened during Steve’s tenure. Part of this is because I have to work out everything from its logical foundation upward to derive a conclusion since I can’t just remember the content itself.
Anyway, Steve Jobs was human, therefore he failed–or was wrong–at least once. Therefore he did fail, which, after research, is apparent in products both hardware and software, and in business decisions. He failed, I would say, no more or less than his personally-trained team. He hired Sculley, they hired… the guy. retail. sucked at it. Whoever he was. Steve made a puck mouse. They made a smaller iPad. Same diff, even with software.
Yep. The question, “Would Apple have been better off if Steve had not come back?” would not have been raised because, as should be apparent, the answer is obvious.
That’s it. Steve was a wunderkind, wunderman, and wunder… whatever else. With him gone, it’s easy as can be to blame failings on who was left behind. Never mind that similar, equal failings (and “failings”) happened under his tenure and were neither blamed on him (whether appropriate) nor on the people under him (same).
My suspicion (as seems to be the conventional wisdom) is that Apple more-or-less ported over the iOS versions of iWork to OSX (after all, didn't Apple proclaim these were rewritten from the ground up?) and that's why a lot of functionality was removed from all of the apps. I sincerely hope that Apple begins adding back what's missing and enhanced beyond what we had before. Migrate what was once Bento into the suite, give Numbers some real power (more functions, pivot tables, larger worksheets) and iWork could be a real Office productivity replacement for a large percentage of us. The new collaboration features look like they could be great, but the apps themselves just need to be a bit less watered down.
I'm with you, especially when it comes to Bento. I am now using Filemaker but it takes awhile to learn how to recreate all the files I had in Bento. Essentially I had to become an FM specialist so I could get Bento back. And I suspect there are a lot of us out there who really don't need the power of FM. Bento as part of iWork would be really a treat.
I'm with you, especially when it comes to Bento. I am now using Filemaker but it takes awhile to learn how to recreate all the files I had in Bento. Essentially I had to become an FM specialist so I could get Bento back. And I suspect there are a lot of us out there who really don't need the power of FM. Bento as part of iWork would be really a treat.
www.apple.com/feedback
Tell Apple directly, we can't do anything about what Apple does, we only sit here being armchair quarterbacks, and the peanut gallery, so we have little control. :-)
I like Bento, I thought it might have been more popular, but I think it was one of those s/w apps that is very useful to some, but maybe not enough. I don't know why Apple doesn't bring FM, the company, completely under Apple instead of them being separated as much as they are. They basically act like a completely separate company that gets no attention from Apple. It would be funny if they had several versions FM, a basic database like Bento, relational like regular FM and then a transactional like Oracle. I thought they still made it. I haven't been keeping tabs on Bento. I guess databases aren't the big killer app since databases take a back seat in the eyes of the public and media. It's never been a sexy enough topic for the media and the public at large. Even Word processors and spreadsheets aren't as popular amongst discussions as they were in the 80's. Back then you mentioned one tiny feature and it practically got front page headline news article in InfoWorld and other computer mags. What was big news back 30 years ago is trivial today. Oh well.
Hahahahahaha
Your posts almost never contain logic. They are emotional and full of revisionist history and empty accusations.
Thanks for that; I’m glad to know you’re wrong, though.
You know what's weird? The more I give you a hard time for saying things I don't like, the more I like you. You make these forums...interesting. Maybe that's it. Maybe I like you for giving me more opportunities to engage.
In my Batman voice
(and lots, lots more)
My company has been all Mac for over a decade. Now suddenly we are to start looking into Windows. Sure, it is just a first look, but it is happening.
The Windows guy is a friend of mine, so the meeting should go well (if he can get over my many attempts over the years to convert him to Mac). I plan to show up with my rMBP, as I know he will drool over it.
Let me save you some time: They are GONE.
Thanks! I'm not going to even open the new iWork apps again until they are updated with new (old) features, which I hope happens soon.
Someone said it above, but I wonder if Apple could benefit from better communication. Lots of people, for example, didn't know '09 was still on their machines and had heart attacks when the lost functionality hit their files. Had Apple stated somewhere that '09 would be left in place, there might have been fewer headaches all around.
But this is Apple. Secrecy, simplicity and brevity. Some of the reasons we like them. Some of the reasons they drive us crazy.
Well drool as he might, it takes time for people to make the switch.
Have you given thought to the fact that due to the finances of your company that they may be considering the switch to pc because of its affordability?
That might be my main concern with this pc/Mac switching if I were you.
It could be a sign of the economy's affect on your company's growth.
Hopefully not.
I've been working on the guy for years!
Regarding the peeking into Windows: I live in Japan and the economy could be a reason. Sales taxes are due to go up in April by 3% and then the next year another 2%. Electricity costs are increasing as power companies spend more on oil now that nuclear plants are all but closed. Gasoline prices are going up. But then my boss is, well, unique, so it could anything.
Personally (and at work) I want a MacPro but will have to think hard about it. If I jump I'll also have the display to pick up, too, so it will be a pretty penny. Too bad the Apple Store doesn't list the prices for the various options, yet. Luckily I already have Thunderbolt drives.
As for mavericks, it's less than a week ago. And contrary to the FUD spreaders at no point did anyone at Apple ever even hint that there still is trouble free.
The Mac operating system is designed to be easy to use and engineered to take full advantage of the technologies built into every computer we make. So everything works just the way you expect it to.
So where does it say, "BTW this is a Beta"?
History shows that most software is buggy but do you really think it fair to malign customers that are having problems?
The Mac operating system is designed to be easy to use and engineered to take full advantage of the technologies built into every computer we make. So everything works just the way you expect it to.
So where does it say, "BTW this is a Beta"?
History shows that most software is buggy but do you really think it fair to malign customers that are having problems?
I think they should say beta. They should know better, they did say beta when they were playing around with the iCloud version before it got finalized.
Never mind, i was referring to iWork.
Actually, bugs in ANY new software is going to happen. The sooner you understand this, the less complaining. This has happened since the beginning of time with software.
There are averages when it comes to number of bugs per lines of code and there are too many possible ways to configure one's computer with hardware and software, but Apple does a great job in fixing them as there is usually bug fixes shortly after the initial release and then about 6 months later the majority of the bugs that affects us are gone and then it's just a matter of bug fixes that might address another s/w or h/w that gets released afterwards. How many bug fixes have their been for each major release of OS X looking back historically? They are releasing less number of updates because they are either having less number of bugs or fixing them quicker.