Yeah, but at least Apple isn't screwing up like Microsoft's Vista fiasco. I guess some people don't remember people going backwards in droves even months after the update and just bypassing it. That didn't seem to stop them using Windows.
Vista was poorly received, but at least people could still buy XP until MS fixed things with windows 7. Similarly MS still makes Win 7 available for people who don't care for windows 8. Is the older iWork still available for purchase?
Vista was poorly received, but at least people could still buy XP until MS fixed things up with windows 7. Similarly MS still makes Win 7 available for people who don't care for windows 8. Is the older iWork still available for purchase?
The people who are complaining about the things left out of the new version of iWork are users of the old version, the older version being available for purchase is a lot less of an issue here. It's somewhat different to FCP7 being taken off the shelves when FCPX came out as post facilities often need to add seats.
People coming to iWork fresh will either work with what's in the current version or not - they'll go to another product that has the features they need. Users of the old version should just stick to it, and go back to their backed up files if necessary.
It is not change itself that is the problem, it is that iWork is downgraded and no longer functional for a large proportion of users.
There is no file upgrade path for those who used power features of '09.
iWork '09 cannot be got on the App Store.
The OS upgrade to Mavericks is good, but the iWork migration has bombed for many. Posters above should distinguish between an OS upgrade and an application upgrade. They are very different.
For those who used only basic Pages etc functions, and did not use and do not miss the deleted functions, that is great for you. No problem with this group of users, and no doubt iCloud and iOS compatibility is terrific for those who do simple word processing.
However, the reaction by more intense and power users to the new iWork, especially on the Apple discussion sites, shows that a large group of users is extremely dissatisfied. Work flow is disrupted and businesses affected. Yes they can go back to the '09 verision but for how long? Apple support is broken and Apple are silent.
It would be helpful if users of more basic functionality and iCloud/iOS iWork would recognise that this problem is not about them, it is about more advanced users who were formerly catered for by iWork '09 but no longer are. Instead of slagging of genuine problems and imposing your views on other types of users, recognise that you are one of a spectrum of user types, as are we. All should be catered for as they previously were.
Actually, you should state more accurately in the case of Final Cut Pro X that Apple killed Final Cut Pro, and that for most editing professionals - myself included - Final Cut Pro is DEAD.
No amount of updates will recover the thousands of professional editors who've abandoned Apple's Final Cut Pro after Apple abandoned them.
I repeat, "Final Cut Pro - as foolishly re-imagined by Apple as Final Cut Pro X - is DEAD. Apple killed Final Cut Pro."
What happens if you need to collaborate on a Pages 4.3 document with someone who did not have the old iWork previously installed? That person would need to find a friend with the old iWork and sideload a copy.
They could just use your installer discs, for one. There's no serial for iWork, if I recall correctly (or was that iLife?).
Never was one for iLife, but there used to be one with iWork (phased out with… ’06, I think it was).
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The claim that there's no problem because you can always keep the old versions ignores the facts that (a) there's no way to tell how long those versions wil continue to work, given changes in OS X; (b) there's no easy way to get them for new machines ; and (c) if you have the new version on your system at all, there's no way to make the old one the default app to open Keynote (Pages, Numbers) files.
These are not trivial issues, and responses along the lines of "shut up, suck it up and go with the flow" that I see on this thread are not really appropriate answers to them.
Good you brought this up. Nonetheless an “upgrade” that loses features is not a brilliant move, especially when they are useful features.
I wonder to what extent this is a merging of the iOS and Mac codebases – there are some things that are much harder to do with a purely finger interface. For example: in Keynote on the Mac, you can edit an object in a group by double-click selecting it. If the group is part of an animation, that means you can tweak details of an animation easily. On iOS (this is all before the update, which I haven’t seen yet), there was no interface to edit a member of a group, meaning you had to ungroup, edit the object, regroup, then create the animation again – all cumbersome and awkward with the finger interface.
To really get seamless similarity between iOS, cloud and Mac versions, this sort of interface inconsistency needs to be fixed.
So tired of people that have no idea how to move forward. You can't change things and change nothing at the same time.
They will move forward, don't worry. The question is how many are eventually fed up with Apple and go elsewhere. Apple is now replicating some of the mistakes that Microsoft used to make. Interesting to see where this is going to lead to.
You know, you're right! As a software developer for 26 years I'd just realised that when we changed our software, the software changed. I'd missed that before.
Armed with this insight, the next time a software company announces an application update I won't expect it to be the same as the previous version.
As Sherlock Holmes observed, "It is an error to theorise in advance of the facts".
Out of interest, for those who think that Pages 5 is just fine and/or it will be fine when Apple restore at least some of what they took out, what features must it have to justify being called Pages?
?You could say that to open a Pages '09 document means it must be Pages, but what if all that you saw in your newly opened document was simply the extracted text placed in a single block and any images removed? I exaggerate to show one one end of a possible spectrum.
What level of functionality loss would cause to you ask "How can they call this Pages"?
?I ask out of genuine interest as I'm trying to gauge whether Apple may restore these features. If most people here can create the documents they need with what Pages now offers then that's great for you but I suspect that I will be waiting in vain for what Apple used to provide.
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I think we are just experiencing the social aspects of how something fairly insignificant gets magnified and blown out of proportion and blasted through media articles because they have nothing better to do.
I'm not worried about it. Plenty of OS X/iOS apps to use in the mean time.
There's a world of difference between "I'm not worried about it. Plenty of OS X/iOS apps to use in the mean time." and "I'm not worried about it. I can use it just fine."
I agree with you, but the solution of using something else instead is very meaningful, as in it's kind of a cockup, but since I don't need to use it I'm fine. : )
I imagine that, after all this hubbub, at least some of the functionality will be restored eventually. For the time being, I'm sticking with '09.
But another thing I noticed, and have not seen any comments on, is the issue of file size -- both the apps themselves and the files they generate. The new iWork and iLife apps are huge compared to their predecessors -- 2 or 3 times the size, at least. Why? And more importantly, the files that Pages 5.0 (for example) generates are unnecessarily large, wasting disk space and making them harder to share easily. I opened a simple, <20 KB Word doc in Pages 5.0, and when I saved it in Pages format, it was almost 500 KB! What on earth for? Even when I saved it in Pages '09 format, it was still around 200 KB. I realize that disk space is not as much of an issue on PCs nowadays, but it is on phones and tablets, and when sending by email, etc. I think Apple could work a little more on using that space more efficiently.
If I was using iWork 09, then I would just continue to use iWork 09, If I was using Office, then I could continue to use Office, etc. But I'm not STUPID enough to switch to Windows because of a temporary issue with a new version of an app that Apple's giving away for FREEE......
The whole thing is blown out of proportion and some people get caught up in it.
But obviously, so far, the numbers of people adopting Windows 8.1 aren't going up that fast. I wonder why?