If apple decided to put a crappier display in the mini it's only because they knew what we wanted before we wanted it, and I for one welcome the smaller range of colors.
I have both the Air and new mini and its not so bad. You can see the difference if you look carefully at both but normally you just used one device at a time...
On the other hand, the screen retention problem seems pretty serious. My ipad Air has it, my mini is OK. From what I saw the problem is pretty wipespread and could trigger a major recall at some point.
Again, why do you always do this? What is that sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?
The ****? You stated as a "fact" that the Nexus line sells 2 million/month, in order to support your argument, which was predicated on volume. When he asks you for a source for that # to you know, make sure you're not pulling it out of your ass (which apparently you are) you call it a "sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?" What the hell is wrong with you? Why don't you answer his damn question and provide a source, or GTFO and admit that you're lying through your teeth, and making shit up, in order to support fallacious arguments? This has nothing to do with "defending Apple". It has everything to do with spouting correct information that is the pre-requisite for any kind of honest, rational debate. Something you're incapable, or uninterested in.
HEY GUYS APPLE SUCKS HOW COME NEXUS CAN SELL 56 MILLION A MONTH AND APPLE CANT
Uh, source?
LOL WHAT A SICK NEED TO DEFEND APPLE! THERES NO EXCUSE!
Does that line or argumentation make sense to you? I can't believe you don't understand how ridiculous you sound.
This is unacceptable. I hope someone at Apple is pounding the table and yelling that this should not have gone out like this. The Aandtech.com review goes into depth on the issue
I didn't see this passionate demand for table pounding from Amazon when they shipped the Kindle Fire with a screen that had a blue tint around the edge.
It doesn't have a "shitty" gamut. The gamut is just not QUITE as high as that of the iPad Air, in a way that not a single consumer would notice, nor a single reviewer without scientific testing. Every single hands-on/review has said the screen looks just as good as that of the Air's. But nice use of subtlety there.
I meant the $79 whitebox tablet had a shitty gamut, not the iPad mini.
I didn't see this passionate demand for table pounding from Amazon when they shipped the Kindle Fire with a screen that had a blue tint around the edge.
Confirming that Amazon are a company focusing on high-quality high-margin products, and that people should have expected the same level of quality from them as they do from Apple.
The fun part is that if some $79 whitebox tablet running Android 2.3 had shitty gamut, Anandtech wouldn't have a story. It's only fun to dig dirt on Apple.
A 79.00 device wouldn't be expected to have the same color gamut as a 399.00 device. Everyone on this forum knows it's a roll of the dice when it comes to Apple display vendors. A Mini could cost as much as 829.00, consumers should expect a near perfect display for that price. Also a 70.00 baseline price increase because of the display.
Can't boast best in the world, premium and everything else is garbage and then get upset when a flaw is found.
Even if Apple was able to convince LG to manufacture a display size other than their 16:9, imagine the kind of media backlash Apple would've received had they used a Kindle like display with the same blue hue around the edges. They would never hear the end of it, "Display Gate", "You're viewing it wrong" etc.
When the iPad Mini was first released, speculation was that Apple was re-using the LCD panels for iPhone 3GS. It stands to reason to again speculate that they are now re-using the LCD panels for iPhone 5 for the new Mini. I wonder how the iPhone 5 color accuracy compares.
I didn't like that the iPad Mini Retina was looking to be identical to the larger Air, besides the display size of course.
The Air remains the premium Apple tablet, and I also liked that the Air was clocked slightly higher and has a little better performance than the Mini Retina. The Mini Retina is in between the iPhone 5s and the Air, in terms of performance.
The Mini retina remains a great tablet, but if somebody is a photographer or somebody who is looking for the absolute best performance, then the Air is the tablet to get.
Anandtech speculates that Apple believes consumers for whom color accuracy is a concern will choose the iPad Air over the smaller tablet by default, rendering the new iPad mini's marginally narrower color gamut --?a difference which the publication calls "small but apparent" --?a nonissue.
Does Apple provide information about iPad display color accuracy on their web site? Unless Apple actually provides this information, wouldn't people just assume (and rightly so) that color accuracy is the same on all iPad models?
The Mini and the Macbook Air show that it isn't about that. It's about margins, and that makes Apple an hypocrite, because they always come with the "different" thing. As fair as I know, they aren't worse than others, just hypocrites too.
imo the ipad mini with retina and ipad Air are fine regarding margins. Those device are pretty high end and come with a nice bundle of software. I have both devices and the color difference is barely noticable when comparing the devices.
imo the ipad 2 at $400 and the old mini at $300 are rip off, considering they are 3 years old tech that are still more expensive than top of line offering from the competition that beat the crap out of those devices.
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With 40% margins and 160 billion on the bank for fat useless shareholders, Apple should treat their costumers better. Stupid decision. They didn't bet on LTPS LCD nor on IGZO. Just wait and see posture. Disgusting for the leader on innovation and the most valuable company in the world.
Last time I check the Air and rMini are both using IGZO screens. Also, the tablets are using a top of the line 64bits CPU/GPU that offer the same performance of the Samsung, Qualcomm and Nivia chips at HALF the clockrate. The A7 is way ahead of the pack. Apple also release a touch ID sensor on the ip5s that actually works well. imo Apple is still the king of innovation...
What the **** is wrong with Apple? How can people give them a pass for this crap?
Not using the same tech used on the Air, to save a few bucks for net profit?
And here I was, thinking that it was about doing the best product possible. Bean counters... But I admit that it is much worse on the Macbook Air.
I still love it, though.
Give them a pass for what crap? What standard does the LG display panel used in the iPad mini retina display have to live up to before people who say "stop blowing this issue into gamut gate" are not slammed for "making excuses for Apple when there's no possible excuse"?
Please, quantify the minimum gamut that defines the line between "this crap" and "excusable."
I didn't like that the iPad Mini Retina was looking to be identical to the larger Air, besides the display size of course.
The Air remains the premium Apple tablet, and I also liked that the Air was clocked slightly higher and has a little better performance than the Mini Retina. The Mini Retina is in between the iPhone 5s and the Air, in terms of performance.
The Mini retina remains a great tablet, but if somebody is a photographer or somebody who is looking for the absolute best performance, then the Air is the tablet to get.
I'm not sure that this "issue" is something that anybody other than photography and graphic design pros (oh, and "bloggerz") would even notice.
nobody at apple ever said or implied that "the mini iPad retina is exactly the same as the iPad air, only smaller"
more applesauce from the applesmashers...
if you're so indignantly upset, return the mini (you're within the return "window", good luck taking back an android tablet because you're "not happy"), buy the air and s.t.f.u.
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I have both the Air and new mini and its not so bad. You can see the difference if you look carefully at both but normally you just used one device at a time...
On the other hand, the screen retention problem seems pretty serious. My ipad Air has it, my mini is OK. From what I saw the problem is pretty wipespread and could trigger a major recall at some point.
Again, why do you always do this? What is that sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?
The ****? You stated as a "fact" that the Nexus line sells 2 million/month, in order to support your argument, which was predicated on volume. When he asks you for a source for that # to you know, make sure you're not pulling it out of your ass (which apparently you are) you call it a "sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?" What the hell is wrong with you? Why don't you answer his damn question and provide a source, or GTFO and admit that you're lying through your teeth, and making shit up, in order to support fallacious arguments? This has nothing to do with "defending Apple". It has everything to do with spouting correct information that is the pre-requisite for any kind of honest, rational debate. Something you're incapable, or uninterested in.
HEY GUYS APPLE SUCKS HOW COME NEXUS CAN SELL 56 MILLION A MONTH AND APPLE CANT
Uh, source?
LOL WHAT A SICK NEED TO DEFEND APPLE! THERES NO EXCUSE!
Does that line or argumentation make sense to you? I can't believe you don't understand how ridiculous you sound.
I didn't see this passionate demand for table pounding from Amazon when they shipped the Kindle Fire with a screen that had a blue tint around the edge.
I meant the $79 whitebox tablet had a shitty gamut, not the iPad mini.
I didn't see this passionate demand for table pounding from Amazon when they shipped the Kindle Fire with a screen that had a blue tint around the edge.
Confirming that Amazon are a company focusing on high-quality high-margin products, and that people should have expected the same level of quality from them as they do from Apple.
The fun part is that if some $79 whitebox tablet running Android 2.3 had shitty gamut, Anandtech wouldn't have a story. It's only fun to dig dirt on Apple.
A 79.00 device wouldn't be expected to have the same color gamut as a 399.00 device. Everyone on this forum knows it's a roll of the dice when it comes to Apple display vendors. A Mini could cost as much as 829.00, consumers should expect a near perfect display for that price. Also a 70.00 baseline price increase because of the display.
Can't boast best in the world, premium and everything else is garbage and then get upset when a flaw is found.
Even if Apple was able to convince LG to manufacture a display size other than their 16:9, imagine the kind of media backlash Apple would've received had they used a Kindle like display with the same blue hue around the edges. They would never hear the end of it, "Display Gate", "You're viewing it wrong" etc.
When the iPad Mini was first released, speculation was that Apple was re-using the LCD panels for iPhone 3GS. It stands to reason to again speculate that they are now re-using the LCD panels for iPhone 5 for the new Mini. I wonder how the iPhone 5 color accuracy compares.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6429/ipad-mini-review/5
Perhaps all those engineering issues weren't solved and so Apple delivered the best retina mini they could right now.
I'm actually happy about this.
I didn't like that the iPad Mini Retina was looking to be identical to the larger Air, besides the display size of course.
The Air remains the premium Apple tablet, and I also liked that the Air was clocked slightly higher and has a little better performance than the Mini Retina. The Mini Retina is in between the iPhone 5s and the Air, in terms of performance.
The Mini retina remains a great tablet, but if somebody is a photographer or somebody who is looking for the absolute best performance, then the Air is the tablet to get.
Or they delivered the best retina their profit margin would allow.
Anandtech speculates that Apple believes consumers for whom color accuracy is a concern will choose the iPad Air over the smaller tablet by default, rendering the new iPad mini's marginally narrower color gamut --?a difference which the publication calls "small but apparent" --?a nonissue.
Does Apple provide information about iPad display color accuracy on their web site? Unless Apple actually provides this information, wouldn't people just assume (and rightly so) that color accuracy is the same on all iPad models?
The Mini and the Macbook Air show that it isn't about that. It's about margins, and that makes Apple an hypocrite, because they always come with the "different" thing. As fair as I know, they aren't worse than others, just hypocrites too.
imo the ipad mini with retina and ipad Air are fine regarding margins. Those device are pretty high end and come with a nice bundle of software. I have both devices and the color difference is barely noticable when comparing the devices.
imo the ipad 2 at $400 and the old mini at $300 are rip off, considering they are 3 years old tech that are still more expensive than top of line offering from the competition that beat the crap out of those devices.
With 40% margins and 160 billion on the bank for fat useless shareholders, Apple should treat their costumers better. Stupid decision. They didn't bet on LTPS LCD nor on IGZO. Just wait and see posture. Disgusting for the leader on innovation and the most valuable company in the world.
Last time I check the Air and rMini are both using IGZO screens. Also, the tablets are using a top of the line 64bits CPU/GPU that offer the same performance of the Samsung, Qualcomm and Nivia chips at HALF the clockrate. The A7 is way ahead of the pack. Apple also release a touch ID sensor on the ip5s that actually works well. imo Apple is still the king of innovation...
Again, why do you always do this? What is that sick need to defend Apple, come up with excuses, when there's no possible excuse?
Joined Nov 2013 with 35 posts and you know he "always do this"? That suggests someone previously banned with a new account. Congrats…
Give them a pass for what crap? What standard does the LG display panel used in the iPad mini retina display have to live up to before people who say "stop blowing this issue into gamut gate" are not slammed for "making excuses for Apple when there's no possible excuse"?
Please, quantify the minimum gamut that defines the line between "this crap" and "excusable."
WTH? Why can't they both be top notch?
I'm not sure that this "issue" is something that anybody other than photography and graphic design pros (oh, and "bloggerz") would even notice.
nobody at apple ever said or implied that "the mini iPad retina is exactly the same as the iPad air, only smaller"
more applesauce from the applesmashers...
if you're so indignantly upset, return the mini (you're within the return "window", good luck taking back an android tablet because you're "not happy"), buy the air and s.t.f.u.
OH SNAP! Good one bro!