I guess they are trying to convince me to give up my iPad for their look-a-like poly-carbon laptop. They don't get the difference between tablets and laptops. Let me help them, iPad is a tablet (no keyboard required), their product is a laptop with a removable keyboard (required). Have they shown this thing working in portrait mode? Its funny how you tout a keyboard but cant show off using that thing ing portrait mode.
If Microsoft has been running Nokia (essentially), and is now purchasing them, then why is Nokia releasing a product that competes directly with Microsoft's product?
Unlike the iPad, the Surface Pro has a personality-complex and therefore "requires" a keyboard. The iPad knows what it is, it is a convenience device. Something that Microsoft doesn't seem to grasp, they keep on complicating a simple idea and coming up with mega-features that defeat the purpose of a tablet, and you're left wondering "why don't I just buy a laptop?!"
I remember being at a BestBuy and overheard a salesperson trying to push the Surface over the iPad claiming "It's, by far, the best tablet in the market" to a client who walked in to buy a tablet. I remember the client concluding that the Surface sounded confusing and that she wasn't sure if it was a laptop or a tablet. Needless to say, she ended up buying the iPad.
This is the equivalent of a forum debate where one party starts making fun of an alias or grammar because they have nothing else to argue yet don't want to admit they already lost.
Physical keyboards have been an option since the day the iPad was released. I am not sure why MS and now Nokia think not selling a key board cover means the iPad doesn't gave a keyboard or even an Apple keyboard.
The dock keyboard was there originally. They Apple Bluetooth keyboard is still there today. There are more varieties of third party iPad keyboards than units sold of Windows RT...
I know three people who own Surface tablets, and every one of them want and use it like a laptop. That is my experience with the difference between people who own iPads and those who use the Surface. People who own iPads want a tablet and use it like a tablet. People who own the Surface want a laptop and use it like a laptop. This is why the RT version did so poorly, it couldn't really function like a laptop, which is what too many Windows indoctrinated understand and want.
That being said, I personally went through and know many friends who went through some pain when the first iPad was released and we had to learn the differences (both good and bad) between a laptop and a tablet, and where each should be used. I truly believe that Apple is winning this round because they are looking to the future, while Microsoft and Nokia seem inexorably mired in the past.
Who’s sadder, the company who has to make lie about its competitors to even make an ad about its own product or the person paid by that company to spend his life on competitors’ forums?
People who own iPads want a tablet and use it like a tablet. People who own the Surface want a laptop and use it like a laptop.
True, and the only difference between a Surface with a keyboard and a laptop is that in a laptop the guts are where they're supposed to be, under the keyboard, whereas in the Surface they're behind the screen making it top-heavy requiring a stand.
I think Microsoft still apply the concept of notbook/netbook to tablet (It need to come with keyboard).
Before iPad, anyone could image that a 'tablet' managed by the native pointers come with most of us?
Yes. A tablet come with keyboard is handy sometimes for work. But how many of us really need to use a keyboard most of the time? Yes for those who are 'working' outside, but really that matter for most of the rest? If we must use a keyboard along with a tablet, why not just bring a laptop anyway?
Besides, a Lumia 2520 with keyboard doesn't really more portable (in weight) than an iPad Air with keyboard.
That's actually quite a funny ad so well done to Nokia for that.
I'd really like to see how well one of these does work outside. When they launched it they said the screen worked outside which to me would be amazing. I don't understand why phone screens are perfectly fine to view in sunlight yet, take an iPad outside and you can hardly see anything on the screen.
Since, at least for the Surface, you have to buy a keyboard separately, there is no difference between buying an iPad separately, and adding a keyboard later.
The big difference between the iPad Keyboard and Windows 8 Keyboard is that the iPad works great without a keyboard, and may work even better for some tasks with a keyboard, whereas Windows 8 Keyboard is mediocre without and with keyboard.
The big difference between the iPad Keyboard and Windows 8 Keyboard is that the iPad works great without a keyboard, and may work even better for some tasks with a keyboard, whereas Windows 8 Keyboard is mediocre without and with keyboard.
What make you think that? I find the Keyboard fairly useless for anything in the Modern UI part of Win 8 which is all the RT version really is. If I'm in a Modern UI app, I flip the keyboard round the back.
Unless you want to do any typing, Modern UI apps are so focused on touch there's not much point using anything else. On a desktop it's still easy enough to use with a mouse, it just isn't as great experience as on a tablet.
That's actually quite a funny ad so well done to Nokia for that.
I'd really like to see how well one of these does work outside. When they launched it they said the screen worked outside which to me would be amazing. I don't understand why phone screens are perfectly fine to view in sunlight yet, take an iPad outside and you can hardly see anything on the screen.
I struggled with that on my first-gen iPad as well. Then one day, while I was outside, I went to Settings and discovered that for some reason the brightness was lowered. So I turned it up to full, and amazingly, I could see MUCH better on my iPad on a bright day. It wasn't perfect, and I still couldn't use it in very bright and direct sunlight, but it made a large and functional difference.
My laptop is only marginally better. My phone is certainly better but also a smaller, more dense screen. Perhaps that's the reason?
I'm also curious just how readable the Lumia would be in direct sunlight. Maybe there's something about the smaller, 16:9 screens perhaps?
If Microsoft has been running Nokia (essentially), and is now purchasing them, then why is Nokia releasing a product that competes directly with Microsoft's product?
No they haven't been running Nokia, the fact that this product has been released it proof of that. Microsoft won't be running the devices division of Nokia until next year.
Who’s sadder, the company who has to make lie about its competitors to even make an ad about its own product or the person paid by that company to spend his life on competitors’ forums?
Poor Tallest Skil, you must be ill to know Blobby is back! I am deliverer of justice against fruity flavoured oppression! Samsung have people like me watching forum like this so beware!
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I actually found some intelligence on youtube comments.
Should I have wished a keyboard, I would have bought a MacBook Air instead of an iPad.
By the way, I am an happy user of Pages too (Mac & Os version) : )
I guess they are trying to convince me to give up my iPad for their look-a-like poly-carbon laptop. They don't get the difference between tablets and laptops. Let me help them, iPad is a tablet (no keyboard required), their product is a laptop with a removable keyboard (required). Have they shown this thing working in portrait mode? Its funny how you tout a keyboard but cant show off using that thing ing portrait mode.
If Microsoft has been running Nokia (essentially), and is now purchasing them, then why is Nokia releasing a product that competes directly with Microsoft's product?
Unlike the iPad, the Surface Pro has a personality-complex and therefore "requires" a keyboard. The iPad knows what it is, it is a convenience device. Something that Microsoft doesn't seem to grasp, they keep on complicating a simple idea and coming up with mega-features that defeat the purpose of a tablet, and you're left wondering "why don't I just buy a laptop?!"
I remember being at a BestBuy and overheard a salesperson trying to push the Surface over the iPad claiming "It's, by far, the best tablet in the market" to a client who walked in to buy a tablet. I remember the client concluding that the Surface sounded confusing and that she wasn't sure if it was a laptop or a tablet. Needless to say, she ended up buying the iPad.
The dock keyboard was there originally. They Apple Bluetooth keyboard is still there today. There are more varieties of third party iPad keyboards than units sold of Windows RT...
I know three people who own Surface tablets, and every one of them want and use it like a laptop. That is my experience with the difference between people who own iPads and those who use the Surface. People who own iPads want a tablet and use it like a tablet. People who own the Surface want a laptop and use it like a laptop. This is why the RT version did so poorly, it couldn't really function like a laptop, which is what too many Windows indoctrinated understand and want.
That being said, I personally went through and know many friends who went through some pain when the first iPad was released and we had to learn the differences (both good and bad) between a laptop and a tablet, and where each should be used. I truly believe that Apple is winning this round because they are looking to the future, while Microsoft and Nokia seem inexorably mired in the past.
Who’s sadder, the company who has to make lie about its competitors to even make an ad about its own product or the person paid by that company to spend his life on competitors’ forums?
People who own iPads want a tablet and use it like a tablet. People who own the Surface want a laptop and use it like a laptop.
True, and the only difference between a Surface with a keyboard and a laptop is that in a laptop the guts are where they're supposed to be, under the keyboard, whereas in the Surface they're behind the screen making it top-heavy requiring a stand.
2 cents.
I think Microsoft still apply the concept of notbook/netbook to tablet (It need to come with keyboard).
Before iPad, anyone could image that a 'tablet' managed by the native pointers come with most of us?
Yes. A tablet come with keyboard is handy sometimes for work. But how many of us really need to use a keyboard most of the time? Yes for those who are 'working' outside, but really that matter for most of the rest? If we must use a keyboard along with a tablet, why not just bring a laptop anyway?
Besides, a Lumia 2520 with keyboard doesn't really more portable (in weight) than an iPad Air with keyboard.
That's actually quite a funny ad so well done to Nokia for that.
I'd really like to see how well one of these does work outside. When they launched it they said the screen worked outside which to me would be amazing. I don't understand why phone screens are perfectly fine to view in sunlight yet, take an iPad outside and you can hardly see anything on the screen.
The big difference between the iPad Keyboard and Windows 8 Keyboard is that the iPad works great without a keyboard, and may work even better for some tasks with a keyboard, whereas Windows 8 Keyboard is mediocre without and with keyboard.
The big difference between the iPad Keyboard and Windows 8 Keyboard is that the iPad works great without a keyboard, and may work even better for some tasks with a keyboard, whereas Windows 8 Keyboard is mediocre without and with keyboard.
What make you think that? I find the Keyboard fairly useless for anything in the Modern UI part of Win 8 which is all the RT version really is. If I'm in a Modern UI app, I flip the keyboard round the back.
Unless you want to do any typing, Modern UI apps are so focused on touch there's not much point using anything else. On a desktop it's still easy enough to use with a mouse, it just isn't as great experience as on a tablet.
That's actually quite a funny ad so well done to Nokia for that.
I'd really like to see how well one of these does work outside. When they launched it they said the screen worked outside which to me would be amazing. I don't understand why phone screens are perfectly fine to view in sunlight yet, take an iPad outside and you can hardly see anything on the screen.
I struggled with that on my first-gen iPad as well. Then one day, while I was outside, I went to Settings and discovered that for some reason the brightness was lowered. So I turned it up to full, and amazingly, I could see MUCH better on my iPad on a bright day. It wasn't perfect, and I still couldn't use it in very bright and direct sunlight, but it made a large and functional difference.
My laptop is only marginally better. My phone is certainly better but also a smaller, more dense screen. Perhaps that's the reason?
I'm also curious just how readable the Lumia would be in direct sunlight. Maybe there's something about the smaller, 16:9 screens perhaps?
No they haven't been running Nokia, the fact that this product has been released it proof of that. Microsoft won't be running the devices division of Nokia until next year.
Who’s sadder, the company who has to make lie about its competitors to even make an ad about its own product or the person paid by that company to spend his life on competitors’ forums?
Poor Tallest Skil, you must be ill to know Blobby is back! I am deliverer of justice against fruity flavoured oppression! Samsung have people like me watching forum like this so beware!
Blobby, blobby blobby!