when T-Mobile bought MetroPCS earlier this year, it was exactly this, but with the order reversed: What does a GSM carrier [i.e. T-Mobile] want with a CDMA carrier [i.e. MetroPCS]? That sounds like a headache in the making...
Since they merged, The Bigger "they" seems to be "making out" pretty well...
I think it is a little different. T-Mobile which has Nationwide coverage is essentially transitioning all ofMetro PCs customers over to T-Mobile's GSM network, and using the CDMA frequencies for LTE.
What you're not understanding is that sprints a different network they replaced the backhaul and have 3 bands. 800 mhz for in building coverage and it travels much farther. 1900 which is their basic band and 2500 which has been shown to pass 1 gb per second download . Not to mention unlimited data with faster speeds than AT&T and Verizon.
You're not fooling anyone. Sprint coverage isn't better, and sprint isn't faster. I'll be my own judge of Sprint: they're guilty of awful customer service, screwing over Nextel, and slower-than-paint-drying 3G speeds.
The number of major carriers needed to avoid tacit collusion is probably six to eight. A reduction from four major carriers to three would result in a massive increase in tacit collusion with consumers forced to pay higher prices for worse service. The anti-trust authorities should prohibit any mergers involving any of the big four carriers. If two small (or regional) carriers want to merge, that should be allowed.
You mean just like how every manufacturer abandoned Android when Google made their own phones... Or how every manufacturer stopped making PCs and Surface tablets when Microsoft got into the exact same market? Nope.
What does a CDMA carrier want with a GSM carrier? That sounds like a headache in the making.
T-Mobile is GSM and just bought Metro PCS which is CDMA. But is reality that point is moot now with network vision and VoLTE coming fairly soon. The Nextel merger was a disaster for sure but I imagine a lot was learned from that fiasco and those mistakes would not be repeated.
If you include pre-paid and MVNO customers the actual number of people using Sprint right now is right around 55 million. They must be doing something right to have 55 million customers choose their network. It always amazes me that people extrapolate their poor experiences often years ago or from their small neck of the woods and indicts a carrier based on that. Quite simply the 55 million number speak for itself. If these people weren't getting good or at least acceptable service they would be with someone else.
Unfortunately for iPhone users the 5s is not a tri-band LTE phone. Since it is not tri-band it cannot use the new Sprint Spark feature which can allow peak LTE speeds up to 60Mbps. Considering that Sprint is the only carrier left that allows unlimited LTE data I would think more people would be pulling for them to succeed instead of hoping they fail.
They wouldn’t NEED anyone else’s network if they had their own. Everyone with an iPhone would jump ship to Apple’s network.
Because Apple wouldn't cap, throttle, overcharge, or otherwise treat their users like Schmidt.
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Sprint wants the customers; not the network. Personally I don't want Sprint to fail as a company but I also don't want them to own T-Mobile either.
All the major providers have areas of poor service but sprint seems to have more in the larger cities. My experience with them is that they over promise and under-deliver. Often they just flat out lie about coverage. I left for T-Mo 2 months ago and the difference has been night and day. Haven't looked back and don't want to end back on that train wreck of a network. Their offers of unlimited data are useless so long as their network is so slow.
I hate the way the large telcos take advantage of the public. Across the board they treat their customers like trash, over charge and rarely offer value to their customers. T-Mo's new customer centric strategy has been a breath of fresh air
They wouldn’t NEED anyone else’s network if they had their own. Everyone with an iPhone would jump ship to Apple’s network.
Because Apple wouldn't cap, throttle, overcharge, or otherwise treat their users like Schmidt.
Owning, running, maintaining, expanding, and building out a network is no easy feat. I seriously doubt Apple or any other handset maker would ever even consider buying a network but it is fun to speculate. If Apple bought T-Mobile would they suddenly stop supporting over half their customers that use Android? Would they only sell iPhones? What makes you think every iPhone customer would switch to Apple? I am an iPhone customer and unless they could beat my current plan on price, features, coverage there would be little incentive for me to switch. Apple would have to compete for iPhone customers just like carriers do today and I just don't see people mindlessly switching to an Apple owned carrier simply for the fact that it is owned by Apple. They would have to offer an attractive enough plan and robust enough network to attract any churn. If you only ever read forums you would think everyone hates their carrier when in fact most are quite happy and have no desire to switch. Getting customers to switch carriers is a very hard process.
You're not fooling anyone. Sprint coverage isn't better, and sprint isn't faster. I'll be my own judge of Sprint: they're guilty of awful customer service, screwing over Nextel, and slower-than-paint-drying 3G speeds.
Owning, running, maintaining, expanding, and building out a network is no easy feat. I seriously doubt Apple or any other handset maker would ever even consider buying a network but it is fun to speculate.
Sure, but they did! Supposedly they were told that they’d legally have to allow Android and others on it, so they decided against it for now.
If Apple bought T-Mobile would they suddenly stop supporting over half their customers that use Android? Would they only sell iPhones?
T-Mobile as a company would stop existing if Apple bought them.
What makes you think every iPhone customer would switch to Apple?
It’s Apple.
I am an iPhone customer and unless they could beat my current plan on price, features, coverage there would be little incentive for me to switch.
That’s only the easiest possible thing in the world to do.
Apple would have to compete for iPhone customers just like carriers do today
“Do you want the same crap you’ve had for the last six years, or would you like unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled, unregulated everything, forever, for less money?
Owning, running, maintaining, expanding, and building out a network is no easy feat. I seriously doubt Apple or any other handset maker would ever even consider buying a network but it is fun to speculate.
Sure, but they did! Supposedly they were told that they’d legally have to allow Android and others on it, so they decided against it for now.
If Apple bought T-Mobile would they suddenly stop supporting over half their customers that use Android? Would they only sell iPhones?
T-Mobile as a company would stop existing if Apple bought them.
What makes you think every iPhone customer would switch to Apple?
It’s Apple.
I am an iPhone customer and unless they could beat my current plan on price, features, coverage there would be little incentive for me to switch.
That’s only the easiest possible thing in the world to do.
Apple would have to compete for iPhone customers just like carriers do today
“Do you want the same crap you’ve had for the last six years, or would you like unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled, unregulated everything, forever, for less money?
We thought so.
Apple: Your friendly neighborhood telecom.”
NINTEEN CRASHES. ONE POST. FIX IT, HUDDLER. FIX IT, AI. Why isn’t AppleInsider itself demanding that Huddler fix it?
Newest article I could find most articles didn't mention their acquisition of spectrum giving them more than all carriers combined.
I've already told you, and others have too. It's really simple to understand. If you LISTEN instead of talking at me, instead of shilling for Sprint, you would understand what I and others in this thread are saying. It boils down to: I had Sprint, they sucked, they treat their customers like shit, their customer service people play all kind of games, I left Sprint, took my business elsewhere, my life got better, and I'm never going back. That's not ignorant, that's called first hand experience. And you know what? You know the saying "The customer is always right"? First rule of customer relations. I'm right. No--I'm serious. Even Sprint's own customer retention specialists know not to call customers "ignorant" or blow smoke about frequencies and some signal theory when the reason you're leaving Sprint has nothing to do with that. I don't give a rats ass if you get an erection for CDMA or the 1900Mhz spectrum. I would never go back to Sprint. And that is a good thing.
NINTEEN CRASHES. ONE POST. FIX IT, HUDDLER. FIX IT, AI. Why isn’t AppleInsider itself demanding that Huddler fix it?
For one thing, they're still learning JavaScript. It's gonna take a while. Also, like most web developers I know, they're an elite bunch of geeks who thinks everyone should just use Chrome because that's their favorite browser and isn't Google awesome to geeks?
Sure, but they did! Supposedly they were told that they’d legally have to allow Android and others on it, so they decided against it for now.
T-Mobile as a company would stop existing if Apple bought them.
It’s Apple.
That’s only the easiest possible thing in the world to do.
“Do you want the same crap you’ve had for the last six years, or would you like unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled, unregulated everything, forever, for less money?
We thought so.
Apple: Your friendly neighborhood telecom.”
NINTEEN CRASHES. ONE POST. FIX IT, HUDDLER. FIX IT, AI. Why isn’t AppleInsider itself demanding that Huddler fix it?
When did I say I had experienced crap service for the last 6 years? I already have unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled service for a very competitive price. I am happy with my service, coverage, and also the price I pay. If Apple bought T-Mobile and offered great coverage and better prices I would certainly consider them on those merits but I wouldn't jump ship simply because it is Apple. That would be pretty foolish. People that are happy with their carrier never have to deal with customer support and will rarely if ever bother posting how happy they are in a forum. The only people you ever hear from are the very unhappy and dissatisfied. Who is your phone carrier by the way?
I've already told you, and others have too. It's really simple to understand. If you LISTEN instead of talking at me, instead of shilling for Sprint, you would understand what I and others in this thread are saying. It boils down to: I had Sprint, they sucked, they treat their customers like shit, their customer service people play all kind of games, I left Sprint, took my business elsewhere, my life got better, and I'm never going back. That's not ignorant, that's called first hand experience. And you know what? You know the saying "The customer is always right"? First rule of customer relations. I'm right. No--I'm serious. Even Sprint's own customer retention specialists know not to call customers "ignorant" or blow smoke about frequencies and some signal theory when the reason you're leaving Sprint has nothing to do with that. I don't give a rats ass if you get an erection for CDMA or the 1900Mhz spectrum. I would never go back to Sprint. And that is a good thing.
I don't doubt what you said to be 100% true and accurate. But you do realize that for the other 55 million using Sprint's network your situation might be very different. I don't call customer care often but when I have they were friendly and very professional. I get good coverage and fast LTE speeds as high as 23Mbps (average of around 14Mbps) which might be slower than the others but in reality anything over 5Mbps on a phone is overkill. It is not like I am downloading huge files like I would on a computer. Sprint Spark will actually allow for some of the fastest LTE speeds in the country and is already working in several major markets. The bottom line is everyone's situation is different. Even people that only live 1 mile apart might have completely different reception and opinions about the same carrier. If you are not happy then by all means leave but don't then extrapolate your bad experience and say the entire Sprint networks sucks because that has not been my experience either locally or on my many trips where I also got good coverage. I took a road trip with a friend driving over 1,000 miles and he had AT&T. We took some back roads and I never did not have coverage for the entire trip and he rarely had any coverage while we were off the beaten track.
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when T-Mobile bought MetroPCS earlier this year, it was exactly this, but with the order reversed: What does a GSM carrier [i.e. T-Mobile] want with a CDMA carrier [i.e. MetroPCS]? That sounds like a headache in the making...
Since they merged, The Bigger "they" seems to be "making out" pretty well...
I think it is a little different. T-Mobile which has Nationwide coverage is essentially transitioning all of Metro PCs customers over to T-Mobile's GSM network, and using the CDMA frequencies for LTE.
You're not fooling anyone. Sprint coverage isn't better, and sprint isn't faster. I'll be my own judge of Sprint: they're guilty of awful customer service, screwing over Nextel, and slower-than-paint-drying 3G speeds.
Now, can we just get Direct Connect on iPhones please?!
The number of major carriers needed to avoid tacit collusion is probably six to eight. A reduction from four major carriers to three would result in a massive increase in tacit collusion with consumers forced to pay higher prices for worse service. The anti-trust authorities should prohibit any mergers involving any of the big four carriers. If two small (or regional) carriers want to merge, that should be allowed.
You mean just like how every manufacturer abandoned Android when Google made their own phones... Or how every manufacturer stopped making PCs and Surface tablets when Microsoft got into the exact same market? Nope.
What does a CDMA carrier want with a GSM carrier? That sounds like a headache in the making.
T-Mobile is GSM and just bought Metro PCS which is CDMA. But is reality that point is moot now with network vision and VoLTE coming fairly soon. The Nextel merger was a disaster for sure but I imagine a lot was learned from that fiasco and those mistakes would not be repeated.
If you include pre-paid and MVNO customers the actual number of people using Sprint right now is right around 55 million. They must be doing something right to have 55 million customers choose their network. It always amazes me that people extrapolate their poor experiences often years ago or from their small neck of the woods and indicts a carrier based on that. Quite simply the 55 million number speak for itself. If these people weren't getting good or at least acceptable service they would be with someone else.
Unfortunately for iPhone users the 5s is not a tri-band LTE phone. Since it is not tri-band it cannot use the new Sprint Spark feature which can allow peak LTE speeds up to 60Mbps. Considering that Sprint is the only carrier left that allows unlimited LTE data I would think more people would be pulling for them to succeed instead of hoping they fail.
They wouldn’t NEED anyone else’s network if they had their own. Everyone with an iPhone would jump ship to Apple’s network.
Because Apple wouldn't cap, throttle, overcharge, or otherwise treat their users like Schmidt.
REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT. REMOVE THE DRAFT.
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All the major providers have areas of poor service but sprint seems to have more in the larger cities. My experience with them is that they over promise and under-deliver. Often they just flat out lie about coverage. I left for T-Mo 2 months ago and the difference has been night and day. Haven't looked back and don't want to end back on that train wreck of a network. Their offers of unlimited data are useless so long as their network is so slow.
I hate the way the large telcos take advantage of the public. Across the board they treat their customers like trash, over charge and rarely offer value to their customers. T-Mo's new customer centric strategy has been a breath of fresh air
They wouldn’t NEED anyone else’s network if they had their own. Everyone with an iPhone would jump ship to Apple’s network.
Because Apple wouldn't cap, throttle, overcharge, or otherwise treat their users like Schmidt.
Owning, running, maintaining, expanding, and building out a network is no easy feat. I seriously doubt Apple or any other handset maker would ever even consider buying a network but it is fun to speculate. If Apple bought T-Mobile would they suddenly stop supporting over half their customers that use Android? Would they only sell iPhones? What makes you think every iPhone customer would switch to Apple? I am an iPhone customer and unless they could beat my current plan on price, features, coverage there would be little incentive for me to switch. Apple would have to compete for iPhone customers just like carriers do today and I just don't see people mindlessly switching to an Apple owned carrier simply for the fact that it is owned by Apple. They would have to offer an attractive enough plan and robust enough network to attract any churn. If you only ever read forums you would think everyone hates their carrier when in fact most are quite happy and have no desire to switch. Getting customers to switch carriers is a very hard process.
I'm not trying to fool anyone, you're fooling yourself by speaking ignorantly just research network vision
Check this out http://m.cnet.com/news/sprint-ceo-2014-is-our-comeback-year/57615163
Newest article I could find most articles didn't mention their acquisition of spectrum giving them more than all carriers combined.
Owning, running, maintaining, expanding, and building out a network is no easy feat. I seriously doubt Apple or any other handset maker would ever even consider buying a network but it is fun to speculate.
Sure, but they did! Supposedly they were told that they’d legally have to allow Android and others on it, so they decided against it for now.
T-Mobile as a company would stop existing if Apple bought them.
It’s Apple.
That’s only the easiest possible thing in the world to do.
“Do you want the same crap you’ve had for the last six years, or would you like unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled, unregulated everything, forever, for less money?
We thought so.
Apple: Your friendly neighborhood telecom.”
Owning, running, maintaining, expanding, and building out a network is no easy feat. I seriously doubt Apple or any other handset maker would ever even consider buying a network but it is fun to speculate.
Sure, but they did! Supposedly they were told that they’d legally have to allow Android and others on it, so they decided against it for now.
T-Mobile as a company would stop existing if Apple bought them.
It’s Apple.
That’s only the easiest possible thing in the world to do.
“Do you want the same crap you’ve had for the last six years, or would you like unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled, unregulated everything, forever, for less money?
We thought so.
Apple: Your friendly neighborhood telecom.”
NINTEEN CRASHES. ONE POST. FIX IT, HUDDLER. FIX IT, AI. Why isn’t AppleInsider itself demanding that Huddler fix it?
I've already told you, and others have too. It's really simple to understand. If you LISTEN instead of talking at me, instead of shilling for Sprint, you would understand what I and others in this thread are saying. It boils down to: I had Sprint, they sucked, they treat their customers like shit, their customer service people play all kind of games, I left Sprint, took my business elsewhere, my life got better, and I'm never going back. That's not ignorant, that's called first hand experience. And you know what? You know the saying "The customer is always right"? First rule of customer relations. I'm right. No--I'm serious. Even Sprint's own customer retention specialists know not to call customers "ignorant" or blow smoke about frequencies and some signal theory when the reason you're leaving Sprint has nothing to do with that. I don't give a rats ass if you get an erection for CDMA or the 1900Mhz spectrum. I would never go back to Sprint. And that is a good thing.
For one thing, they're still learning JavaScript. It's gonna take a while. Also, like most web developers I know, they're an elite bunch of geeks who thinks everyone should just use Chrome because that's their favorite browser and isn't Google awesome to geeks?
Sure, but they did! Supposedly they were told that they’d legally have to allow Android and others on it, so they decided against it for now.
T-Mobile as a company would stop existing if Apple bought them.
It’s Apple.
That’s only the easiest possible thing in the world to do.
“Do you want the same crap you’ve had for the last six years, or would you like unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled, unregulated everything, forever, for less money?
We thought so.
Apple: Your friendly neighborhood telecom.”
NINTEEN CRASHES. ONE POST. FIX IT, HUDDLER. FIX IT, AI. Why isn’t AppleInsider itself demanding that Huddler fix it?
When did I say I had experienced crap service for the last 6 years? I already have unlimited, uncapped, unthrottled service for a very competitive price. I am happy with my service, coverage, and also the price I pay. If Apple bought T-Mobile and offered great coverage and better prices I would certainly consider them on those merits but I wouldn't jump ship simply because it is Apple. That would be pretty foolish. People that are happy with their carrier never have to deal with customer support and will rarely if ever bother posting how happy they are in a forum. The only people you ever hear from are the very unhappy and dissatisfied. Who is your phone carrier by the way?
I've already told you, and others have too. It's really simple to understand. If you LISTEN instead of talking at me, instead of shilling for Sprint, you would understand what I and others in this thread are saying. It boils down to: I had Sprint, they sucked, they treat their customers like shit, their customer service people play all kind of games, I left Sprint, took my business elsewhere, my life got better, and I'm never going back. That's not ignorant, that's called first hand experience. And you know what? You know the saying "The customer is always right"? First rule of customer relations. I'm right. No--I'm serious. Even Sprint's own customer retention specialists know not to call customers "ignorant" or blow smoke about frequencies and some signal theory when the reason you're leaving Sprint has nothing to do with that. I don't give a rats ass if you get an erection for CDMA or the 1900Mhz spectrum. I would never go back to Sprint. And that is a good thing.
I don't doubt what you said to be 100% true and accurate. But you do realize that for the other 55 million using Sprint's network your situation might be very different. I don't call customer care often but when I have they were friendly and very professional. I get good coverage and fast LTE speeds as high as 23Mbps (average of around 14Mbps) which might be slower than the others but in reality anything over 5Mbps on a phone is overkill. It is not like I am downloading huge files like I would on a computer. Sprint Spark will actually allow for some of the fastest LTE speeds in the country and is already working in several major markets. The bottom line is everyone's situation is different. Even people that only live 1 mile apart might have completely different reception and opinions about the same carrier. If you are not happy then by all means leave but don't then extrapolate your bad experience and say the entire Sprint networks sucks because that has not been my experience either locally or on my many trips where I also got good coverage. I took a road trip with a friend driving over 1,000 miles and he had AT&T. We took some back roads and I never did not have coverage for the entire trip and he rarely had any coverage while we were off the beaten track.
When did I say anything about you?
Yeah, I don’t buy that for a second. No telecom offers that.