Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?
Without dual redundant power supplies, lights out management, and fibre channel connectivity its a non-starter. Not to mention the racks are non-standard. I'd hate to see the cost associated with replacing racks currently in existence.
I think that the Apple Mac Pro is going where the Pro A/V market will be in 5 years. With Thunderbolt your external devices can be in another room -- separate from where you are processing audio.
Why even have the computer in the room?
Just run wires through the wall for displays, audio monitors, and have a USB hub for peripherals.
To argue that the new Mac Pro (a desktop) is not really pro because it is not a server is a non sequitur.
I'm not arguing that its not pro because its not a server. The previous generation wasn't a server either. I was just stating that Apple could have targeted both markets with one expandable design but didn't.
For example, if Apple would have designed the new Mac Pro in a way that it could be easily rack mounted and had an option to add dual redundant PSUs along with lights out management (LOM) etc... then it would have broader appeal. This way if you wanted a server you could add the additional PSU, LOM, additional PCIX expansion slots (multiple ethernet cards, 10gbe, fibre channel, raid card etc...) and a rack mount kit.
As for the current design of the Mac Pro, I would argue that its not 'Pro' in that sense that expansion is all external, you loose throughput with Thunderbolt 2 versus a slot straight on the logic board (not to mention the cable clutter) and by going with a smaller footprint versus the previous generation you loose out on the possibility of having more CPU cores, GPUs, storage and RAM which equates to more performance.
OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?
OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?
Swapping out/upgrading GPU's, and expansion slots yes. You couldn't swap out CPU cores before but thats why more space is vital, to put in as many as possible. As far as RAM, the more space you have, the more you can fit in (and yes OS X has a limit of how much it can "see", but thats moot when running multiple OS's in VMs - the more the merrier).
OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?
Swapping out/upgrading GPU's, and expansion slots yes. You couldn't swap out CPU cores before but thats why more space is vital, to put in as many as possible. As far as RAM, the more space you have, the more you can fit in (and yes OS X has a limit of how much it can "see", but thats moot when running multiple OS's in VMs - the more the merrier).
Looks to me that you simply have no concept of what this machine is for or how it will be used, and you are way too slippery for me to be interested in continuing this discussion.
Get your server checked; it’s giving back bad answers.
If you hadn’t noticed, it’s not a server.
The answer is correct, you are multiplying ASCII characters that need conversion to decimal first before multiplication.
It's not a server but Apple sure does like to use server parts. They shouldn't pretend, they should just build a dual purpose workstation versus limiting it.
Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?
Yeah, that setup looked fishy to me. The Pro is made to vent out the top, and lying them sideways will likely cause damage.
Not to mention the cable setup is insane.
The Mini is the only real hope for a server now. And its Haswell version is strangely MIA.
Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?
Yeah, that setup looked fishy to me. The Pro is made to vent out the top, and lying them sideways will likely cause damage.
Not to mention the cable setup is insane.
The Mini is the only real hope for a server now. And its Haswell version is strangely MIA.
As for the form factor, the new Mac Pro is an obvious departure from the normal silver machines we have been bumping our chairs into at the side of our feet for over ten years. This sits quietly on the desktop.
Very quiet. It is so quiet that you probably won't even hear the fan if you have a disk drive running nearby or have an air conditioner overhead. The footprint is small so it will fit on most desks, production environments or outside broadcast vans. It's also qualified to run on the side, no doubt rack mounting kits will appear for it soon.
Ships All is quiet on the water And the wind across the sand Whispers through our quarters That the morning’s close at hand
Our love’s in perfect order As we fold our sails in sleep But the moon is falling starboard And we have promises to keep
chorus: We rest here while we can But we hear the ocean calling in our dreams And we know by the morning The wind will fill our sails to test the seams A calm is on the water And part of us would linger by the shore For ships are safe in harbor But that’s not what ships are for
So we head for open water Set a course for distant land Out here there are no borders And the truth is in the chance
We fill our sails with purpose Find direction in the stars Pray the dark and deep won’t hurt us And sail with open arms
chorus: We rest here while we can But we hear the ocean calling in our dreams And we know by the morning The wind will fill our sails to test the seams A calm is on the water And part of us would linger by the shore For ships are safe in harbor But that’s not what ships are for
Ships are safe in harbor But that’s not what ships are for
It's also qualified to run on the side, no doubt rack mounting kits will appear for it soon.
1) I still question how the cable setup will be done. I'd think slid into grooved chambers on an angle, like angled parking would be better than laid fully on their side.
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Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?
Without dual redundant power supplies, lights out management, and fibre channel connectivity its a non-starter. Not to mention the racks are non-standard. I'd hate to see the cost associated with replacing racks currently in existence.
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Sort of wish you knew anything about what you’re talking about here.
A lot more then you think.
I think that the Apple Mac Pro is going where the Pro A/V market will be in 5 years. With Thunderbolt your external devices can be in another room -- separate from where you are processing audio.
Why even have the computer in the room?
Just run wires through the wall for displays, audio monitors, and have a USB hub for peripherals.
OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?
OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?
Swapping out/upgrading GPU's, and expansion slots yes. You couldn't swap out CPU cores before but thats why more space is vital, to put in as many as possible. As far as RAM, the more space you have, the more you can fit in (and yes OS X has a limit of how much it can "see", but thats moot when running multiple OS's in VMs - the more the merrier).
Looks to me that you simply have no concept of what this machine is for or how it will be used, and you are way too slippery for me to be interested in continuing this discussion.
Looks to me that you simply have no concept of what this machine is for or how it will be used.
One word: Limited.
Hmm. What’s “a lot more” multiplied by zero?
One word: Limited.
One word: So are servers.
1.875009e+34
And if you think servers are limited then your mind is limited. If you hadn't notice Mac Pro's use server class Xeon processors.
Get your server checked; it’s giving back bad answers.
If you hadn’t noticed, it’s not a server.
The answer is correct, you are multiplying ASCII characters that need conversion to decimal first before multiplication.
It's not a server but Apple sure does like to use server parts. They shouldn't pretend, they should just build a dual purpose workstation versus limiting it.
Or they should keep doing exactly what they’re doing because every other workstation does the same thing.
Dell PowerEdge T620
http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/shared-content/data-sheets/en/Documents/Dell-PowerEdge-T620-Spec-Sheet.pdf
24 core Xeon E5
48TB internal HDD storage
768 GB RAM
7 Slots
Dual PSU
LOM
Etc...
Workstation/Tower Chassis that's rack mountable
Only drawback is the OS
Here's an overview of the design:
http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/04/videos~en/documents~poweredge-tower-server-family-video.aspx?modal=true
Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?
Yeah, that setup looked fishy to me. The Pro is made to vent out the top, and lying them sideways will likely cause damage.
Not to mention the cable setup is insane.
The Mini is the only real hope for a server now. And its Haswell version is strangely MIA.
And the argument that the new Pro is not really targeting pros is silly. They're just targeting specific pros.
The fact is that Apple has gone heavy on the Pro Video market with this upgrade. And deliberately so.
They figure that Print will stick with iMacs, and many Government/Education markets are sizing down these days as well.
It's almost likely they're planning to release something big in the TV arena, and will be using Final Cut adoption to drive content to it.
But hey, it's not like there are any rumours about that, are there?
Looking forward to seeing these in a rack. Like a computer wine cooler: http://www.wayfair.com/Wine-Enthusiast-48-Bottle-Dual-Zone-Touchscreen-Wine-Cooler-272-48-03-51-WINE1156.html
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http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/articles/1307-the-first-24-hours-with-apple-s-new-mac-pro-and-final-cut-pro-10-1
Ships
All is quiet on the water
And the wind across the sand
Whispers through our quarters
That the morning’s close at hand
Our love’s in perfect order
As we fold our sails in sleep
But the moon is falling starboard
And we have promises to keep
chorus:
We rest here while we can
But we hear the ocean calling in our dreams
And we know by the morning
The wind will fill our sails to test the seams
A calm is on the water
And part of us would linger by the shore
For ships are safe in harbor
But that’s not what ships are for
So we head for open water
Set a course for distant land
Out here there are no borders
And the truth is in the chance
We fill our sails with purpose
Find direction in the stars
Pray the dark and deep won’t hurt us
And sail with open arms
chorus:
We rest here while we can
But we hear the ocean calling in our dreams
And we know by the morning
The wind will fill our sails to test the seams
A calm is on the water
And part of us would linger by the shore
For ships are safe in harbor
But that’s not what ships are for
Ships are safe in harbor
But that’s not what ships are for
1) I still question how the cable setup will be done. I'd think slid into grooved chambers on an angle, like angled parking would be better than laid fully on their side.
2) Is that one screen of your new Mac Pro?