Except it's not a retina scanner, it's a iris scanner which is in the front of the eye, but I really can't see that working too well. Sometimes one can't 'one up' the competition.
I read iris scanner but it didn't register with me until this post. Even when you mentioned the iris changes size I didn't pick up on it.
Has anyone produced a successful iris scanner biometric?
~~“Many android users are fanatical about ass recognition technology. We are studying the possibility ass scanners instead of eye ...” Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of the Samsung’s mobile business, told Bloomberg at CES in Las Vegas.
~~“Many android users are fanatical about ass recognition technology. We are studying the possibility ass scanners instead of eye ...” Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of the Samsung’s mobile business, told Bloomberg at CES in Las Vegas.
~~“Many android users are fanatical about ass recognition technology. We are studying the possibility ass scanners instead of eye ...” Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of the Samsung’s mobile business, told Bloomberg at CES in Las Vegas.
Another Next Big Thing Is here from Samsung....
Access Your S5 By Scanning Your Ass!
ROTFL.
Wouldn't you have the same problems? I mean the ass size could change, the skin pigiment could change. $h!t, they gotta choose another body part. Oh, well back to R&D
Most iris scanners are closely monitored by the US government for security reasons and accessing the technology without paying for it might be more difficult than borrowing it from Apple for a few years without paying.
Interesting concept but there are a number of challenges in execution I think. With a few obstacles that I think ultimately will handicap it's use for the end client. Just my opinion though.
First the technical limitations - if you read the wiki on iris recognition (not retina scanning) it seems to work with few false positives. Except according to wiki "Many commercial iris scanners can be easily fooled by a high quality image of an iris or face in place of the real thing". If that's true than unlike fingerprints which they were able to break the iPhone 5S security by creating a model based off a fingerprint, then in theory a high quality picture would do.
A second technical limitation which I found a bit amusing was "Alcohol consumption causes recognition degradation as the pupil dilates/constricts causing deformation in the iris pattern" So it might not work if you're drunk!?
A third limitation I can see is light or lack thereof. If there is not enough light for the CCD camera to see the iris?
A fourth limitation might exist for people with glasses might cause a reflection degrading the image. Or colour contacts. Definitely sunglasses.
Other questions from a technology standpoint are how long does it have to scan an eye to achieve a result and how stable does the eye have to be? Also where is the data being stored? Seperately like the iPhone5s or somewhere in memory. And how easy would it be take control of the CCD camera and send a signal to it or send a virus to override it? The fingerprint scanner is totally separate from everything (or so I think) while the CCD camera on a phone is used for multiple purposes which I think in theory makes it more vulnerable. I also wonder how much power consumption is required comparing the two. If it comes at a cost of battery life (or phone weight) that wouldn't be good.
Moving away from technology I think the user experience also has to be taken into consideration. One of the reasons I would want a iPhone5s (i currently have a 5) is because it would allow me to easily access my phone while driving. Don't know how many times the password lock has made it a pain to quickly check something (maybe this is a good thing but there are certain times that a quick check or access of a address or phone number you have in an open email would be useful).
Second is as people mentioned the way people access the phone. The reader built into the home button is a natural progression of what they normally do. I don't think iris recognition is.
Ultimately it sounds like a "cool" technology rather than a non-intrusive technology like the iPhone 5s.
To be fair, I think we would want to see how it's executed but not sure how useful it's going to be... but having said that at least for me one of the primary reasons for wanting the fingerprint scanner would not be met with a iris recognition technology.
Regarding that second limitation, it would be funny if Samsung allowed you to capture 5 different irises as templates, like Apple does fingerprints. I would use four immediately: left eye (sober), left eye (shit-faced), right eye (sober), right eye (shit-faced). Cue the jokes about what I could use the 5th register for...
You guys are missing what Samsung is trying to do.
They are gonna create a Google Glass clone, whose only purpose is to scan your iris, which then communicates with the Galaxy Note S6 and lets it know whether you are actually you.
They will make it part of Galaxy Gear products, and price it at $399, with a ridiculously long commercial which apes Apple's ipod mini commercials with people dancing with different colors, instead they will have people dancing with different colored glasses frames.
It will bring all the dorkiness of Google Glass without any of the benefits.
Alternatively, they could simply be an idea they are floating for Apple, so Apple figures out how to do it right, so they can copy it, and then point back to this statement to prove that it was Apple who was copying them.
When Apple wanted a fingerprint scanner... they bought a couple companies who dealt with fingerprint scanning. Those companies were probably the best in that field, too. Fingerprint scanning isn't new anyway... it's been around for a while and is very mature at this point.
Is Samsung developing iris scanning technology themselves... or are they buying companies that already do this? I can't find anything that talks about this kind of technology... especially an iris scanner that would fit inside a phone.
And then there's the whole accuracy thing. It's gotta work damn near 100% of the time... or else it will be turned off and forgotten. Sadly... a lot of Samsung "features" end up in that category.
My iPhone 5S rarely gives me any trouble. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen the "Try Again" prompt. At most we're talking about a few times out of thousands of operations.
Then again... scanning a fingerprint with direct touch is probably a lot easier than scanning an eyeball from some distance away.
Apple's fingerprint scanner is the best implementation of that technology I've ever seen. And it's so simple... it's built into the button you already press. If Samsung plans to one-up that with an iris scanner... they better make sure it's damn good. Bring it!
I actually think that a combination of iris scanner and fingerprint scanning is what smartphones need, so I am looking forward to seeing this come to smartphones, if for no other reason than it will hopefully kick Apple in the rear to implementing it on their iPhones.
Yes, iris scans are not as convenient as fingerprint scans, but they are also more secure. People leave their fingerprints all over the place when they touch things. Heck, they leave their fingerprints on the very device that they are trying to secure. The iris doesn't leave anything behind when it looks at something.
A combination is perfect because touchID is quick and easy and doesn't require you to look at your device. However, it isn't as secure as an iris scan. For that reason, I could see a touchID used to unlock your device and a quick iris scan to perform an payment or something requiring something more secure than using a fingerprint left everywhere you touch.
That being said, this isn't going to be as easy as this article makes it sound. While, smartphones have the camera of resolution necessary to do iris scanning, the best iris scanners look at both real light and infrared images for recognition. Thus, the phones would have to be able to record infrared, which is usually not a big deal.
That being said, the component of all this that I see Samsung having the most trouble with is the secure part of the processor. Apple added an entire secure section to their processor, just to deal with security and the touchID. Samsung is going to have to do the same or it won't be nearly as secure and less useful. I don't know that they are to that point yet.
Either way, I do have to applaud Samsung for once. Yeah, I know:
In the long run this move will force other companies, including Apple to up their security on their devices and iris scanning is perfect for the most secure features of a smartphone.
It looks like there are products capable of scanning irises at range, at an angle, and while the person is moving. The ones described here cost upwards of $7000 and are fairly bulky compared to a smartphone; if Samsung have found a way to produce low-cost miniaturized iris scanners then that's a very impressive achievement. I suspect we won't see it due to size / accuracy / price / complexity constraints, though.
Great the touch ID was great when unlocking phone while driving (I know it is a no no) but just imagine now I have to hold the damn phone in front of my face while driving? LOL
No matter what Apple comes out with, Samsung will try to one-up Apple. That's how successful businesses compete. Samsung must have a huge R&D department seeing how they manage to put out so many products of all different types within such a short time. Apple can barely manage to put out one new product a year while Samsung comes out with 20 new products which I find amazing from a logistics standpoint. Their copy machine division must have hundreds of people working around the clock.
When Apple wanted a fingerprint scanner... they bought a couple companies who dealt with fingerprint scanning. Those companies were probably the best in that field, too. Fingerprint scanning isn't new anyway... it's been around for a while and is very mature at this point.
Is Samsung developing iris scanning technology themselves... or are they buying companies that already do this? I can't find anything that talks about this kind of technology... especially an iris scanner that would fit inside a phone.
And then there's the whole accuracy thing. It's gotta work damn near 100% of the time... or else it will be turned off and forgotten. Sadly... a lot of Samsung "features" end up in that category.
My iPhone 5S rarely gives me any trouble. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen the "Try Again" prompt. At most we're talking about a few times out of thousands of operations.
Then again... scanning a fingerprint with direct touch is probably a lot easier than scanning an eyeball from some distance away.
Apple's fingerprint scanner is the best implementation of that technology I've ever seen. And it's so simple... it's built into the button you already press. If Samsung plans to one-up that with an iris scanner... they better make sure it's damn good. Bring it!
I suspect it will rely on the front facing camera, which will take a picture of your eye and process that using no special sensor.
In the long run this move will force other companies, including Apple to up their security on their devices and iris scanning is perfect for the most secure features of a smartphone.
I love it when some say that it will force Apple to do something.
Historically speaking Apple is the company that marches to its own drumbeat.
exhibit A: What did computers look like before the Macintosh
exhibit B: What did music players look like before the iPod
exhibit C: How did we listen to music before iTunes
exhibit How did smartphones function, if you can call it that, before the iPhone
exhibit E: What were tablets before the iPad
So whose example is Apple supposed to follow again?
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I read iris scanner but it didn't register with me until this post. Even when you mentioned the iris changes size I didn't pick up on it.
Has anyone produced a successful iris scanner biometric?
~~“Many android users are fanatical about ass recognition technology. We are studying the possibility ass scanners instead of eye ...” Lee Young Hee, executive vice president of the Samsung’s mobile business, told Bloomberg at CES in Las Vegas.
Another Next Big Thing Is here from Samsung....
Access Your S5 By Scanning Your Ass!
The beauty of the TouchID is that you were gonna press the button anyway ... so there is no "new/added" step in the unlock process
Try training it for just one finger (or thumb) you might have better luck.
Lets see... the phone rings while driving. Instead of putting my finger on the phone to answer, I have to cover my eye with the phone. Brilliant!
ROTFL.
Wouldn't you have the same problems? I mean the ass size could change, the skin pigiment could change. $h!t, they gotta choose another body part. Oh, well back to R&D
I can count on one hand how many times Touch ID has actually worked for me in the last 2 months. It refuses to even scan my fingerprints now.
Sounds like an issue that would be covered under warrantee.
Lets see... the phone rings while driving. Instead of putting my finger on the phone to answer, I have to cover my eye with the phone. Brilliant!
You don't need to unlock your phone when answering a call.
Otherwise would be a brilliant comeback.
You shouldn’t be touching it at all when you’re driving. In both cases, you’d hit a button on the steering wheel and the call would be answered.
Most iris scanners are closely monitored by the US government for security reasons and accessing the technology without paying for it might be more difficult than borrowing it from Apple for a few years without paying.
Interesting concept but there are a number of challenges in execution I think. With a few obstacles that I think ultimately will handicap it's use for the end client. Just my opinion though.
First the technical limitations - if you read the wiki on iris recognition (not retina scanning) it seems to work with few false positives. Except according to wiki "Many commercial iris scanners can be easily fooled by a high quality image of an iris or face in place of the real thing". If that's true than unlike fingerprints which they were able to break the iPhone 5S security by creating a model based off a fingerprint, then in theory a high quality picture would do.
A second technical limitation which I found a bit amusing was "Alcohol consumption causes recognition degradation as the pupil dilates/constricts causing deformation in the iris pattern" So it might not work if you're drunk!?
A third limitation I can see is light or lack thereof. If there is not enough light for the CCD camera to see the iris?
A fourth limitation might exist for people with glasses might cause a reflection degrading the image. Or colour contacts. Definitely sunglasses.
Other questions from a technology standpoint are how long does it have to scan an eye to achieve a result and how stable does the eye have to be? Also where is the data being stored? Seperately like the iPhone5s or somewhere in memory. And how easy would it be take control of the CCD camera and send a signal to it or send a virus to override it? The fingerprint scanner is totally separate from everything (or so I think) while the CCD camera on a phone is used for multiple purposes which I think in theory makes it more vulnerable. I also wonder how much power consumption is required comparing the two. If it comes at a cost of battery life (or phone weight) that wouldn't be good.
Moving away from technology I think the user experience also has to be taken into consideration. One of the reasons I would want a iPhone5s (i currently have a 5) is because it would allow me to easily access my phone while driving. Don't know how many times the password lock has made it a pain to quickly check something (maybe this is a good thing but there are certain times that a quick check or access of a address or phone number you have in an open email would be useful).
Second is as people mentioned the way people access the phone. The reader built into the home button is a natural progression of what they normally do. I don't think iris recognition is.
Ultimately it sounds like a "cool" technology rather than a non-intrusive technology like the iPhone 5s.
To be fair, I think we would want to see how it's executed but not sure how useful it's going to be... but having said that at least for me one of the primary reasons for wanting the fingerprint scanner would not be met with a iris recognition technology.
Regarding that second limitation, it would be funny if Samsung allowed you to capture 5 different irises as templates, like Apple does fingerprints. I would use four immediately: left eye (sober), left eye (shit-faced), right eye (sober), right eye (shit-faced). Cue the jokes about what I could use the 5th register for...
They are gonna create a Google Glass clone, whose only purpose is to scan your iris, which then communicates with the Galaxy Note S6 and lets it know whether you are actually you.
They will make it part of Galaxy Gear products, and price it at $399, with a ridiculously long commercial which apes Apple's ipod mini commercials with people dancing with different colors, instead they will have people dancing with different colored glasses frames.
It will bring all the dorkiness of Google Glass without any of the benefits.
Alternatively, they could simply be an idea they are floating for Apple, so Apple figures out how to do it right, so they can copy it, and then point back to this statement to prove that it was Apple who was copying them.
I am Applesupertramp and I am Steve.
I'm interested to see what they come up with.
When Apple wanted a fingerprint scanner... they bought a couple companies who dealt with fingerprint scanning. Those companies were probably the best in that field, too. Fingerprint scanning isn't new anyway... it's been around for a while and is very mature at this point.
Is Samsung developing iris scanning technology themselves... or are they buying companies that already do this? I can't find anything that talks about this kind of technology... especially an iris scanner that would fit inside a phone.
And then there's the whole accuracy thing. It's gotta work damn near 100% of the time... or else it will be turned off and forgotten. Sadly... a lot of Samsung "features" end up in that category.
My iPhone 5S rarely gives me any trouble. I can probably count on one hand how many times I've seen the "Try Again" prompt. At most we're talking about a few times out of thousands of operations.
Then again... scanning a fingerprint with direct touch is probably a lot easier than scanning an eyeball from some distance away.
Apple's fingerprint scanner is the best implementation of that technology I've ever seen. And it's so simple... it's built into the button you already press. If Samsung plans to one-up that with an iris scanner... they better make sure it's damn good. Bring it!
I actually think that a combination of iris scanner and fingerprint scanning is what smartphones need, so I am looking forward to seeing this come to smartphones, if for no other reason than it will hopefully kick Apple in the rear to implementing it on their iPhones.
Yes, iris scans are not as convenient as fingerprint scans, but they are also more secure. People leave their fingerprints all over the place when they touch things. Heck, they leave their fingerprints on the very device that they are trying to secure. The iris doesn't leave anything behind when it looks at something.
A combination is perfect because touchID is quick and easy and doesn't require you to look at your device. However, it isn't as secure as an iris scan. For that reason, I could see a touchID used to unlock your device and a quick iris scan to perform an payment or something requiring something more secure than using a fingerprint left everywhere you touch.
That being said, this isn't going to be as easy as this article makes it sound. While, smartphones have the camera of resolution necessary to do iris scanning, the best iris scanners look at both real light and infrared images for recognition. Thus, the phones would have to be able to record infrared, which is usually not a big deal.
That being said, the component of all this that I see Samsung having the most trouble with is the secure part of the processor. Apple added an entire secure section to their processor, just to deal with security and the touchID. Samsung is going to have to do the same or it won't be nearly as secure and less useful. I don't know that they are to that point yet.
Either way, I do have to applaud Samsung for once. Yeah, I know:
In the long run this move will force other companies, including Apple to up their security on their devices and iris scanning is perfect for the most secure features of a smartphone.
I read iris scanner but it didn't register with me until this post. Even when you mentioned the iris changes size I didn't pick up on it.
Has anyone produced a successful iris scanner biometric?
Successful iris scanners are in fact a thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iris_recognition
This looks particularly interesting:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20060154-52.html (scroll down to "Iris on the Move")
It looks like there are products capable of scanning irises at range, at an angle, and while the person is moving. The ones described here cost upwards of $7000 and are fairly bulky compared to a smartphone; if Samsung have found a way to produce low-cost miniaturized iris scanners then that's a very impressive achievement. I suspect we won't see it due to size / accuracy / price / complexity constraints, though.
Also, people hold their phones to their faces all the time. Video chatting?
Great the touch ID was great when unlocking phone while driving (I know it is a no no) but just imagine now I have to hold the damn phone in front of my face while driving? LOL
No matter what Apple comes out with, Samsung will try to one-up Apple. That's how successful businesses compete. Samsung must have a huge R&D department seeing how they manage to put out so many products of all different types within such a short time. Apple can barely manage to put out one new product a year while Samsung comes out with 20 new products which I find amazing from a logistics standpoint. Their copy machine division must have hundreds of people working around the clock.
I fixed it for you.
I suspect it will rely on the front facing camera, which will take a picture of your eye and process that using no special sensor.
In the long run this move will force other companies, including Apple to up their security on their devices and iris scanning is perfect for the most secure features of a smartphone.
I love it when some say that it will force Apple to do something.
Historically speaking Apple is the company that marches to its own drumbeat.
exhibit A: What did computers look like before the Macintosh
exhibit B: What did music players look like before the iPod
exhibit C: How did we listen to music before iTunes
exhibit
How did smartphones function, if you can call it that, before the iPhone
exhibit E: What were tablets before the iPad
So whose example is Apple supposed to follow again?