While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
The distinctive feature of this review is that it is the first to have both default Mac Pros (4-core D300 and 6-core D500) available for comparison. So, what I would then like to know is:
* Is the D500 Mac noisier than the D300? (The D500 has much higher power consumption than the D300.)
* Is the D300 faster or slower than the D500 at graphics operations / gaming etc. What are the actual timings? The D300 has a higher clock speed ... the D500 is better at double-precision numerics (but few apps use that at the moment).
As more time passes, I become more and more frustrated with Adobe and think your suggestion that Apple purchase them makes sense. It would be an excellent strategic acquisition for Apple, in software names (PhotoShop, Premiere, etc.) and IP. Those could be migrated to (or at least optimized for) Mac-Only platforms to drive yet more business to the hardware side. Further, it could diversify their software portfolio and provide revenue from the PC platform, if they were inclined to keep it. I think the price tag might be larger than they are normally interested in, but I'd rather they spend it there than line Icahn's pockets with stock buybacks/manipulations.
Meh, other than PhotoShop, I don't know of an Adobe app that isn't a middle-of the road "me too" product. Flash is decent for development, but it's resource intensive and a good javascript or openCL-based application suite may soon replace it -- someone just needs to make it. But it's hardly worth the tens of billions the company would demand to buy outright.
For my dollar -- I'd rather have discontinued FreeHand than illustrator -- it's still awful and cumbersome.
Buying Premiere or any of the other apps would be a premium from offerings that are relatively as good. Aperture is only an update behind Light Room (OK, Apple looks like they've been distracted for a couple years).
Their desktop publishing apps are good. Apple's Pages is "OK" but useful for a mass market of non-pro designers.
But really, the mindshare of Adobe is greater than it's economic share. As a for-profit company, it's hard to think of an acquisition making more money than just spending the same money on developing the next-gen creative device.
Personally, I'd drop Flash development in a heartbeat if they made an OpenCl/OpenGL development suite for real time effects with something like Quartz Composer and a Javascript platform export (using OpenCL for cross platform at least on more advanced browsers). The future of multimedia is in graphics that interact with the user and Apple has already bought the Kinnect group.
Adobe has solid products even if they aren't optimized for the Mac anymore -- but they don't have a future growth potential that would make business sense for an outfit like Apple.
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
Three grand sounds cheep to me.
Funny though, with how the economy has treated me, $3000 for a computer was MORE affordable in 1993 than it is now in 2014.
FreeHand was a wonderful app --- and Adobe purchased it and then killed it. Off topic - I know - but I am still angry about that.
Yeah, but where else are you going to find sympathy for a Freehand rant!
I still can't get used to how Illustrator forces you to select the whole object or every dang point in the object. It's a total PIA for masked shapes and anything of complexity. FreeHand was much better at selection, masking and embedding. And a bit faster unless you looked at things in full preview or "flash" mode -- but still faster for anything very complex. If I could only get the last version released, I'd take that over modern illustrator any day. Like using Microsoft Office in 2005 is so much more productive than Microsoft Office with that Ribbon interface!
>> OK, this was all completely off topic. But the Ribbon came from the depths of Hades with it's evil devil baby the Metro interface!!!
Maybe the side-effect of the radio waves is to make people docile and non-paranoid!
YES. I’ve always loved that theory.
Wi-Fi DOES send out radiation detectable by humans, but the only effect of the radiation is to make those affected believe that the radiation is harmful. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
The distinctive feature of this review is that it is the first to have both default Mac Pros (4-core D300 and 6-core D500) available for comparison. So, what I would then like to know is:
* Is the D500 Mac noisier than the D300? (The D500 has much higher power consumption than the D300.)
* Is the D300 faster or slower than the D500 at graphics operations / gaming etc. What are the actual timings? The D300 has a higher clock speed ... the D500 is better at double-precision numerics (but few apps use that at the moment).
Timings please!
The D500s do not trigger the internal fan profile unless under extreme load. The thermal design is good enough to deal with pretty much anything on both these machines; I couldn't even get it to spin up to 5,000 RPMs (which would be pretty fast for a fan this size). Basically, it's just as quiet as the D300s. Putting my hand over the top vent, the D500 Pro blew hotter air under load, but not substantially.
From what I understand, one card is normally tasked with powering the Sharp 4K, which leaves a single GPU to handle computation. With the additional processing headroom, it takes more for the D500 to start swapping tasks back to the first card tiling the 4K display than the same operation on the D300. Two compute cards run hotter than one and a half or so. My theory is that, despite the slightly hotter baseline operating temp, the net heat from both cards when running a 4K display is actually cooler for the D500 under heavy load.
Thank you, Chris, and for following up with Robin as well.
It's strange how we can form attachments through this forum. I was glad rhat Robin could provide a name and place for Relic. It made such a difference somehow.
Thanks Flan....When I read Robin's post reaching out for any thread of contact. For some reason, it really pulled at my heart strings.
It may sound silly, but I remember seeing Relic's posts and although I had no direct contact with her, I felt a connection.
My condolences it's always sad when we lose a friend and family member we all have lost somebody On a positive note I wait for my Mac Pro to arrive . In the meantime I've been looking at many reviews like this one [URL]
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
Three grand sounds cheep to me.
Same here - I remember paying USD 3900 for an Apple IIGS, and a similar amount for my Quadra 605 in mid-90s...
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
Three grand sounds cheep to me.
Yeah same here $3500 for Quadra 840av!
But you know I think some people are not seeing what Apple really did for some people out there:
They made another really cool product for us to buy that is also useful and can make money in return.
The classic rule:
“You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”
"All this change comes at a price, however, in both unit cost and usability. Starting at $3,000 for a base machine, Apple is certainly not targeting the everyday consumer."
Just so everyone is aware, this is the same price as the original MP base model once inflation is accounted for.
"Apple includes a bank of LEDs behind the rear panel that light up automatically when the computer is swivelled"
So is it on rollers or similar? Does it actually swivel on some sort of mechanism, or do you just turn it around like you were turning around a telephone or such?
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Three grand sounds cheep to me.
* Is the D500 Mac noisier than the D300? (The D500 has much higher power consumption than the D300.)
* Is the D300 faster or slower than the D500 at graphics operations / gaming etc. What are the actual timings? The D300 has a higher clock speed ... the D500 is better at double-precision numerics (but few apps use that at the moment).
Timings please!
> I have a wireless MFC Brother printer plugged in in a closet.
That's dumb ... why nuke your brain and body with wireless radiation, when you have no need to.
That's dumb ... why nuke your brain and body with wireless radiation, when you have no need to.
Because he’s not suffering from paranoid delusions.
As more time passes, I become more and more frustrated with Adobe and think your suggestion that Apple purchase them makes sense. It would be an excellent strategic acquisition for Apple, in software names (PhotoShop, Premiere, etc.) and IP. Those could be migrated to (or at least optimized for) Mac-Only platforms to drive yet more business to the hardware side. Further, it could diversify their software portfolio and provide revenue from the PC platform, if they were inclined to keep it. I think the price tag might be larger than they are normally interested in, but I'd rather they spend it there than line Icahn's pockets with stock buybacks/manipulations.
Meh, other than PhotoShop, I don't know of an Adobe app that isn't a middle-of the road "me too" product. Flash is decent for development, but it's resource intensive and a good javascript or openCL-based application suite may soon replace it -- someone just needs to make it. But it's hardly worth the tens of billions the company would demand to buy outright.
For my dollar -- I'd rather have discontinued FreeHand than illustrator -- it's still awful and cumbersome.
Buying Premiere or any of the other apps would be a premium from offerings that are relatively as good. Aperture is only an update behind Light Room (OK, Apple looks like they've been distracted for a couple years).
Their desktop publishing apps are good. Apple's Pages is "OK" but useful for a mass market of non-pro designers.
But really, the mindshare of Adobe is greater than it's economic share. As a for-profit company, it's hard to think of an acquisition making more money than just spending the same money on developing the next-gen creative device.
Personally, I'd drop Flash development in a heartbeat if they made an OpenCl/OpenGL development suite for real time effects with something like Quartz Composer and a Javascript platform export (using OpenCL for cross platform at least on more advanced browsers). The future of multimedia is in graphics that interact with the user and Apple has already bought the Kinnect group.
Adobe has solid products even if they aren't optimized for the Mac anymore -- but they don't have a future growth potential that would make business sense for an outfit like Apple.
Because he’s not suffering from paranoid delusions.
Maybe the side-effect of the radio waves is to make people docile and non-paranoid!
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
Three grand sounds cheep to me.
Funny though, with how the economy has treated me, $3000 for a computer was MORE affordable in 1993 than it is now in 2014.
For my dollar -- I'd rather have discontinued FreeHand than illustrator -- it's still awful and cumbersome.
FreeHand was a wonderful app --- and Adobe purchased it and then killed it. Off topic - I know - but I am still angry about that.
FreeHand was a wonderful app --- and Adobe purchased it and then killed it. Off topic - I know - but I am still angry about that.
Yeah, but where else are you going to find sympathy for a Freehand rant!
I still can't get used to how Illustrator forces you to select the whole object or every dang point in the object. It's a total PIA for masked shapes and anything of complexity. FreeHand was much better at selection, masking and embedding. And a bit faster unless you looked at things in full preview or "flash" mode -- but still faster for anything very complex. If I could only get the last version released, I'd take that over modern illustrator any day. Like using Microsoft Office in 2005 is so much more productive than Microsoft Office with that Ribbon interface!
>> OK, this was all completely off topic. But the Ribbon came from the depths of Hades with it's evil devil baby the Metro interface!!!
YES. I’ve always loved that theory.
Wi-Fi DOES send out radiation detectable by humans, but the only effect of the radiation is to make those affected believe that the radiation is harmful.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
The distinctive feature of this review is that it is the first to have both default Mac Pros (4-core D300 and 6-core D500) available for comparison. So, what I would then like to know is:
* Is the D500 Mac noisier than the D300? (The D500 has much higher power consumption than the D300.)
* Is the D300 faster or slower than the D500 at graphics operations / gaming etc. What are the actual timings? The D300 has a higher clock speed ... the D500 is better at double-precision numerics (but few apps use that at the moment).
Timings please!
The D500s do not trigger the internal fan profile unless under extreme load. The thermal design is good enough to deal with pretty much anything on both these machines; I couldn't even get it to spin up to 5,000 RPMs (which would be pretty fast for a fan this size). Basically, it's just as quiet as the D300s. Putting my hand over the top vent, the D500 Pro blew hotter air under load, but not substantially.
From what I understand, one card is normally tasked with powering the Sharp 4K, which leaves a single GPU to handle computation. With the additional processing headroom, it takes more for the D500 to start swapping tasks back to the first card tiling the 4K display than the same operation on the D300. Two compute cards run hotter than one and a half or so. My theory is that, despite the slightly hotter baseline operating temp, the net heat from both cards when running a 4K display is actually cooler for the D500 under heavy load.
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Thank you, Chris, and for following up with Robin as well.
It's strange how we can form attachments through this forum. I was glad rhat Robin could provide a name and place for Relic. It made such a difference somehow.
Thanks Flan....When I read Robin's post reaching out for any thread of contact. For some reason, it really pulled at my heart strings.
It may sound silly, but I remember seeing Relic's posts and although I had no direct contact with her, I felt a connection.
Yep, sounds silly!
Best regards.
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That is great if you have the money to buy it.
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
Three grand sounds cheep to me.
Same here - I remember paying USD 3900 for an Apple IIGS, and a similar amount for my Quadra 605 in mid-90s...
While the price may be a little high in today's consumer landscape, I remember paying $2700 in 1993 dollars for a Quadra 650 with a 33Mhz 68040 processor, 8MB of ram and a 230MB Hard drive. Our Quadra 800 with a DigitalFilm card and Adobe premier was $20,000.
Three grand sounds cheep to me.
Yeah same here $3500 for Quadra 840av!
But you know I think some people are not seeing what Apple really did for some people out there:
They made another really cool product for us to buy that is also useful and can make money in return.
The classic rule:
“You can please some of the people some of the time all of the people some of the time some of the people all of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time.”
- Lincoln
Applies...
Just so everyone is aware, this is the same price as the original MP base model once inflation is accounted for.
So is it on rollers or similar? Does it actually swivel on some sort of mechanism, or do you just turn it around like you were turning around a telephone or such?