I think Apple will do whatever they need to do to be successful with sales through China Mobile. Keeping in mind that iPhone "market share" has never been a goal with Apple.
Yup. Tim Cook is not only gay, but a brown-noser to Communist China too.
[SIZE=18px]Ever wondered if Tim "the only thing I like better than suing my competitors is sucking cock" Cook is a top or bottom?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=18px]I think he is a bottom... and probably faps to images of John Ivy.[/SIZE]
Oh, it’s banning time again, you’re gonna leave us.. I can hear that faraway tone in your posts… I can tell by the way that you offend us, that it won’t be long before it’s banning time…. (sung to the tune of Ray Charles’s “Crying Time”)
I think Apple will do whatever they need to do to be successful with sales through China Mobile. Keeping in mind that iPhone "market share" has never been a goal with Apple.
Yup. Tim Cook is not only gay, but a brown-noser to Communist China too.
Those of us who are not threatened are beyond that!
Those of us who are not threatened are beyond that!
Just red flag him and move on, Dick… it isn’t worth it bantering with him. Did you read his entire 3-post opus? All crude and offensive. A true guttersnipe if ever I saw one…
With Apple growing in China. It goes to show how grateful they are to the muscle of Apple. Why make products where the Chinese cannot partake. I am glad that anybody can enjoy technological greatness.
Man I really wonder where Apple will go. I know their Spaceship Apple Campus 2 will nicely be funded. For this architectural marvel to come will surely pave the way for structural engineering.
Talk about putting a dent on postmodernism in our time.
You go to the Apple Store and buy a phone, then you walk down the street to a carrier store of your choice and buy a SIM card. In theory the phone maker and the network provider don't need to say a single word to each other.
And yet there are these stories about Apple bargaining for years on end with network providers?
I dont think 5s/5c would make big splash. Iphone6 will be. Your argument is the same as the one when netcom started to sell iphone4. At that time, ppl said no one would buy iphone from netcom 'cause those wanting one got one already from graymarket.
I am an Chinese and I read online Chinese news about reservation of iPhone 5s/c through China Mobile. It seems the story here is different from those reported by Chinese technology news agencies.
Based on their reports, the sale or reservation is totally not as hot as it states in this post. The reservation number is well below that of China Telecom (270k vs 150k) at same time point. I don't know which source is more true than the other. But presumably as a Chinese and know a little bit of Chinese customer behavior, I don't think iPhone 5s/c will reach the sale peak as seen before. This is because those people who really love iPhones or Apple products have already got the gears through gray market. Those who are still waiting are kind of people that not super fan of Apple, and they can pick up a samsung handset without hesitate due to the slightly lower price. Thus, the key I think will be the price. If the price is not attractive low, It is possible that iPhone 5s/c just a good sale phone rather than a hot sale phone.
Admittedly, there are many Chinese people as you described, superficial and love showing off how cool they are, but not all of them are. Your opinion is coming from the reports from westerner angle without detailed examination of Chinese or living in China for long time. This is same as the biased impression of western countries. Just one- or two-time visits, you can summarize the western countries. It is absolutely a joke.
Even if as you said everybody wants to show he/she can afford iPhone 5s, why not start with China Telecom or China Unicom. Their bundle prices are usually cheaper than that of China Mobile. This is definitely not showing off situation.
So, please don't compare me with those so-called analyzers in Wall Street. They don't know Chinese at all. Only they know is plain data, which can be easily misinterpreted using inappropriate statistics (intentionally).
First off, you're making a lot of assumptions of a country with a population of over 1 billion people. Just because you're Chinese and live in China does not mean that you can predict purchasing patterns for any meaningful size of the market. Using the number of forum posts as a metric for the popularity of a product is crazy. Apple has done business on a massive scale in China for a long time and they have Chinese employees as well as Chinese partners. Saying that they don't know China is incorrect.
Beyond that, if China Mobile thought that the iPhone wouldn't be a huge product for them, they wouldn't spend so much time in negotiations and they wouldn't actually sell the product. The leadership of Apple and China Mobile wouldn't go to the media and say that they had huge sales if they didn't. Apple's growth in China is huge and other than North America, it is their largest territory by revenue.
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Originally Posted by aircm1982
If you want to know how iPhone 5s/c sale in China, you should pay a little bit attention to a Chinese forum: bbs.weiphone.com.
You can easily count how many threads in forum of each handsets. Usually it looks like (2000 vs 100) everyday. So at that earlier stage I've already believed the 5c wouldn't be successful as 5s in China. Indeed, the later report from worldwide suggests 5s has 3.4 times over 5c, which indirectly confirmed what I believe.
If you really want to do the business in China, you definitely should know Chinese publics behavior, not just small portion of people like showing off, even selling their kidney for nonsense. Don't be stupid bestbuy. Be a Chinese first.
The 5C was not designed as a low cost phone for China. It had two purposes. 1. To offer last year's model at greater margins, and 2. to make sure that anyone who wants an aluminum beauty, buys the new phone. Same logic for China and US or wherever.
I think it is a bit more than that. I think it is Apple setting itself up to differentiate the lines more. This is the more conservative route to take. They have now set up two completely different manufacturing lines as well as positioning the rest of ops to handle two different phones. The 5c might have better margins when sold but it would have been cheaper to not go through the whole process of designing, manufacturing and selling a somewhat new product. I think it is also part of the whole process of the iPod slowing down. That slow down is accelerating as more people want devices that are connected. As time moves on, we'll probably see more differentiation between the two products.
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Originally Posted by currentinterest
The 5C was not designed as a low cost phone for China. It had two purposes. 1. To offer last year's model at greater margins, and 2. to make sure that anyone who wants an aluminum beauty, buys the new phone. Same logic for China and US or wherever.
Class act in Tim Cook's traveling to China to be on hand for the China Mobile rollout. His visibility shows respect in this all-important market. He announced that there are 1/2 million active Chinese app developers for iOS already! Things could get interesting.
I think it is a bit more than that. I think it is Apple setting itself up to differentiate the lines more. This is the more conservative route to take. They have now set up two completely different manufacturing lines as well as positioning the rest of ops to handle two different phones. The 5c might have better margins when sold but it would have been cheaper to not go through the whole process of designing, manufacturing and selling a somewhat new product. I think it is also part of the whole process of the iPod slowing down. That slow down is accelerating as more people want devices that are connected. As time moves on, we'll probably see more differentiation between the two products.
Finally someone makings sense regarding the 5C. It always amazes me when people think the 5C is only about increasing margins, or the completely ludicrous idea that Apple specifically designed it not to sell, to get people to buy the 5S instead. No way would Apple spend the time, energy and money to build a product they didn't want people to buy. That's ridiculous. Only Apple knows how well the 5C is selling. IF it's not selling as well as they expected I'm sure they have lots of data to tell them why (e.g. too expensive, people want metal not plastic, don't like the colors, etc.) and they can use that data to improve the product. I still think the idea of different iPhone lines (vs just selling last years model for cheaper) is a good idea.
I'm a little surprised Cook is talking. Wouldn't this be a quiet period for Apple, prior to earnings release?
Ist quarter for Apple ended on Dec. 31, 2013. Anything Tim say about China sales now will affect Apple 2nd quarter numbers. Even if they took pre orders from China in Dec., Apple do not count sales until it ships. And all those iPhones will ship in Apple 2nd quarter.
... It always amazes me when people think the 5C is only about increasing margins, or the completely ludicrous idea that Apple specifically designed it not to sell, to get people to buy the 5S instead. No way would Apple spend the time, energy and money to build a product they didn't want people to buy... I still think the idea of different iPhone lines (vs just selling last years model for cheaper) is a good idea.
It also bears repeating that the 5C is not just last year's model wrapped in a new case. It has far superior LTE capability too: the iPhone 5 LTE support is actually poor for some parts of the globe, including Europe. The improvement (in both 5C and 5S) is probably less visible if you're in the US, it's quite understandable that Apple would prioritise support for its home country in its first LTE phone, then widen it in the next model(s).
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I think Apple will do whatever they need to do to be successful with sales through China Mobile. Keeping in mind that iPhone "market share" has never been a goal with Apple.
Yup. Tim Cook is not only gay, but a brown-noser to Communist China too.
Oh, it’s banning time again, you’re gonna leave us.. I can hear that faraway tone in your posts… I can tell by the way that you offend us, that it won’t be long before it’s banning time…. (sung to the tune of Ray Charles’s “Crying Time”)
Those of us who are not threatened are beyond that!
Just red flag him and move on, Dick… it isn’t worth it bantering with him. Did you read his entire 3-post opus? All crude and offensive. A true guttersnipe if ever I saw one…
Let’s not encourage it.
With Apple growing in China. It goes to show how grateful they are to the muscle of Apple. Why make products where the Chinese cannot partake. I am glad that anybody can enjoy technological greatness.
Man I really wonder where Apple will go. I know their Spaceship Apple Campus 2 will nicely be funded. For this architectural marvel to come will surely pave the way for structural engineering.
Talk about putting a dent on postmodernism in our time.
Amazing!!!
You go to the Apple Store and buy a phone, then you walk down the street to a carrier store of your choice and buy a SIM card. In theory the phone maker and the network provider don't need to say a single word to each other.
And yet there are these stories about Apple bargaining for years on end with network providers?
Ever wondered if Tim "the only thing I like better than suing my competitors is sucking cock" Cook is a top or bottom?
I think he is a bottom... and probably faps to images of John Ivy.
Get rejected from being the Gimp for your Evangelical church?
First off, you're making a lot of assumptions of a country with a population of over 1 billion people. Just because you're Chinese and live in China does not mean that you can predict purchasing patterns for any meaningful size of the market. Using the number of forum posts as a metric for the popularity of a product is crazy. Apple has done business on a massive scale in China for a long time and they have Chinese employees as well as Chinese partners. Saying that they don't know China is incorrect.
Beyond that, if China Mobile thought that the iPhone wouldn't be a huge product for them, they wouldn't spend so much time in negotiations and they wouldn't actually sell the product. The leadership of Apple and China Mobile wouldn't go to the media and say that they had huge sales if they didn't. Apple's growth in China is huge and other than North America, it is their largest territory by revenue.
Quote:
If you want to know how iPhone 5s/c sale in China, you should pay a little bit attention to a Chinese forum: bbs.weiphone.com.
You can easily count how many threads in forum of each handsets. Usually it looks like (2000 vs 100) everyday. So at that earlier stage I've already believed the 5c wouldn't be successful as 5s in China. Indeed, the later report from worldwide suggests 5s has 3.4 times over 5c, which indirectly confirmed what I believe.
If you really want to do the business in China, you definitely should know Chinese publics behavior, not just small portion of people like showing off, even selling their kidney for nonsense. Don't be stupid bestbuy. Be a Chinese first.
I think it is a bit more than that. I think it is Apple setting itself up to differentiate the lines more. This is the more conservative route to take. They have now set up two completely different manufacturing lines as well as positioning the rest of ops to handle two different phones. The 5c might have better margins when sold but it would have been cheaper to not go through the whole process of designing, manufacturing and selling a somewhat new product. I think it is also part of the whole process of the iPod slowing down. That slow down is accelerating as more people want devices that are connected. As time moves on, we'll probably see more differentiation between the two products.
Quote:
The 5C was not designed as a low cost phone for China. It had two purposes. 1. To offer last year's model at greater margins, and 2. to make sure that anyone who wants an aluminum beauty, buys the new phone. Same logic for China and US or wherever.
Class act in Tim Cook's traveling to China to be on hand for the China Mobile rollout. His visibility shows respect in this all-important market. He announced that there are 1/2 million active Chinese app developers for iOS already! Things could get interesting.
I'm a little surprised Cook is talking. Wouldn't this be a quiet period for Apple, prior to earnings release?
Ist quarter for Apple ended on Dec. 31, 2013. Anything Tim say about China sales now will affect Apple 2nd quarter numbers. Even if they took pre orders from China in Dec., Apple do not count sales until it ships. And all those iPhones will ship in Apple 2nd quarter.
... It always amazes me when people think the 5C is only about increasing margins, or the completely ludicrous idea that Apple specifically designed it not to sell, to get people to buy the 5S instead. No way would Apple spend the time, energy and money to build a product they didn't want people to buy... I still think the idea of different iPhone lines (vs just selling last years model for cheaper) is a good idea.
It also bears repeating that the 5C is not just last year's model wrapped in a new case. It has far superior LTE capability too: the iPhone 5 LTE support is actually poor for some parts of the globe, including Europe. The improvement (in both 5C and 5S) is probably less visible if you're in the US, it's quite understandable that Apple would prioritise support for its home country in its first LTE phone, then widen it in the next model(s).