Apple may have sold upwards of 60 million iPhones over holiday quarter

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  • Reply 21 of 103
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    aaarrrgggh wrote: »
    The analyst numbers are bunk and all, but it seems like 60MM units still isn't much in the way of growth. I would have thought 65MM would be a more reasonable expectation, but it doesn't look like that is in the realm of possibilities at this point.

    My logic, which is completely unscientific: ~37MM units in 2012FQ1 out of contract + Blackberry's collapse + increasing smart phone penetration.

    Really though, I think the iPad numbers will be more important for the stock. 30MM would be huge, and I imagine there could be a nice ASP bump.

    Based on the graph in the article it would indicate the growth is slowing but it's still a hefty gain in units YoY from 2012's 48MM. It certainly looks better than the plateauing we've seen in Asymco graphs for Android-based phones.
  • Reply 22 of 103
    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,228member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by aaarrrgggh View Post



    The analyst numbers are bunk and all, but it seems like 60MM units still isn't much in the way of growth. I would have thought 65MM would be a more reasonable expectation, but it doesn't look like that is in the realm of possibilities at this point.



    My logic, which is completely unscientific: ~37MM units in 2012FQ1 out of contract + Blackberry's collapse + increasing smart phone penetration.



    Really though, I think the iPad numbers will be more important for the stock. 30MM would be huge, and I imagine there could be a nice ASP bump.

     

    Less than 60m is growth decelaration indeed.

     

    My first metric is market share change:

    https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/press-releases/apple-and-samsung-grow-to-represent-68-percent-of-smartphones-owned-in the-u-s-according-to-the-npd-group/

     

    My second metric will be a US sales sample, so VZ numbers tomorrow.

     

    The third metric is internationnal sales.

    More launch countries meens better than last year, assuming the phone did better in the US.

  • Reply 23 of 103
    dimmokdimmok Posts: 359member

    If this deems true....Not Kicking Ass, my ass. Go Apple!

  • Reply 24 of 103
    I think all of the analysts are too conservative this time. My prediction is for between 63 and 70 million iPhones. Total of more than 100 million iOS devices.
  • Reply 25 of 103
    Regardless of what the number is its doubtful that it will move the stock significantly. Unfortunately the only thing that will bring the stock up is a new product launch
  • Reply 26 of 103
    If it is 59 million, " Wall Street Analysts" will say they sold TOO much and the Jan-Mar period will be have to be down... Let's keep looking at all Apple News as the glass half full!
  • Reply 27 of 103
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    sog35 wrote: »
    The reason Apple stock dropped last year was because earnings growth went flat or NEGATIVE the last 4 Qtrs.
    Q1'13 - flat
    Q2'13 - minus 18%
    Q3'13 - minus 20%
    Q4'13 - minus 5%

    So you're saying Apple's YoY net earnings show Apple earnings in 2013 were less then they earned in their respective 2012 quarters?
  • Reply 28 of 103
    straskstrask Posts: 107member
    @Rob53
    ""upwards of 60" means close to 60. Literary license. :-)"

    That is not correct. "Upwards of" means more than or in excess of. Check it out:
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/upwards of

    The headline should read "Upwards of 50 million."
  • Reply 29 of 103
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mrbigrobot View Post



    If it is 59 million, " Wall Street Analysts" will say they sold TOO much and the Jan-Mar period will be have to be down... Let's keep looking at all Apple News as the glass half full!

     

    That would be "almost" exactly my thinking... but rather than, "sold TOO much", I'd say, the 2nd fiscal quarter forecast will "look TOO small" in comparison.

  • Reply 30 of 103

    Apple sold 700,000,000,000,000 iPhones last quarter. If you hear anything else from them, sell to $50 per share.

  • Reply 31 of 103
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    Originally Posted by strask View Post

    Not one analyst seem to say 60 million iPhones. Where does the number in the headline come from?

     

    Rounding up to one significant figure from 57 (or 58) million is quite sensible, and is what AI did in the title, reducing the precision to about 17%.  Now if they'd said "upwards of 60.73 million", then I'd definitely cry foul.  Such precision in a prediction would be absurd in the absence of figures from a company as secretive as Apple.  And lets not forget, the headline also says "may have sold", which means they may not have sold that many.

     

    Quote:

    Faizal Kara's 59.73 million unit projection


    ....is just that--absurd.  As if any analyst can make guesses with 0.02% precision and have any chance of being correct.  What it really means is that this analyst has no grasp of statistics, and therefore should not be given any credibility.

    Quote:

    Andy Hargreaves brings up the rear with 50.93 million.


    Ditto. Statistical incompetence.

     

    Quote:

    Deutsche Bank's Chris Whitmore predicts sales of 58 million handsets, Evercore's Robert Cihra sees 57 million


    These two figures are more sensible predictions, having a precision of around 2%.  We shall see next week if even that degree of precision is warranted, when we find out the truth.  If Apple reports sales within 2% of those predictions, then these two analysts win a gold star.

  • Reply 32 of 103
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    I'm thinking close to 55MM iPhones sold. Analysts will probably increase their estimates just to say Apple once again missed their wild guesses.
  • Reply 33 of 103
    straskstrask Posts: 107member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TeaEarleGreyHot View Post

     

     

    Rounding up to one significant figure from 57 (or 58) million is quite sensible, and is what AI did in the title, reducing the precision to about 17%.  Now if they'd said "upwards of 60.73 million", then I'd definitely cry foul.  Such precision in a prediction would be absurd in the absence of figures from a company as secretive as Apple.  And lets not forget, the headline also says "may have sold", which means they may not have sold that many.

     


    No, it is not sensible, not if the headline uses the phrase "upwards of." Upwards of means more than. If they had said "almost" then the number would have been sensible. But for an article that states that analysts' predictions range from 50-58 million, the headline "upwards of 60 million" is not reasonable.  

  • Reply 34 of 103
    Shouldn't it be 4th Quarter not 1st Quarter?
  • Reply 35 of 103
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    cpenzone wrote: »
    Shouldn't it be 4th Quarter not 1st Quarter?

    No. Apple's fiscal year starts in Oct.
  • Reply 36 of 103
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    cpenzone wrote: »
    Shouldn't it be 4th Quarter not 1st Quarter?

    It depends if the calendar or fiscal quarter is being referred. Apple starts their fiscal year a quarter before the calendar year which means the year starts off with a bang from the holiday sales. This isn't universally done but very common among corporations.
  • Reply 37 of 103
    So easy to manipulate AAPL, overestimate sales, short the stock, make money when price falls due to failure to meet unrealistic expectations. This happens over and over.
  • Reply 38 of 103
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post







    It means the higher level is more than the value stated. It does not mean close to that value but never reaching it.

    Indeed. Otherwise, we might as well say upwards of 65M.

  • Reply 39 of 103

    I think the author was extrapolating from analyst estimates to actual results.  As we all know the analysts don't like to come across too bullish even though in private they might predict higher numbers.  

  • Reply 40 of 103
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,807member

    What other company do you know where the stock will fall $14 on good news. Apple should be trading above $600 easily.

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