Mail has been a problem for many generations. It is not a professional class email client.
Yep. It's a really basic app, and one I gave up a long time ago. FWIW, Outlook for Mac works flawlessly with Mavericks.
A piece of garbage can still work 'flawlessly' as long as that was the creator's intention.
Yea, Outlook might fetch email without (much) difficulty, but the program so god awful I could never even consider using it as a primary for work, and that's coming from someone with 3 work email accounts two of which are Exchange!
Exchange support on Mac is non-existent across the board (no push = no exchange as far as I'm concerned...and it needs to be addressed by Apple.
Originally Posted by charlituna Not I'm sure it's not a bug in Mac OS. Google screwed with Mail support in iOS it's not a shock they might have on the computer as well.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
The best resolution is for Google to resolve the issue on their end.
If it works in Mail 6.6 and doesn't work in Mail 7.0 I don't really think you can blame Google. Apple obviously broke something they had working before (and still does).
Hmm... The issue isn't on the server side. It's with the client. I didn't write Mail.app. I never speculated on how easy it would be. I wouldn't have a chance to repair it without the source.
Your argument has reinforced how lacking Apple's care is to make a good product. It appears that they have slip into a chronic case of shipping products which are not to the quality norm before Steve Jobs died. After this issue was first discovered, a fix should have been found and released within a month. That's when you care about making it right and providing the best user experience. Now, they go 4 months and the fix is a workaround. Strong leadership wouldn't allow this and it reflects their change in goals. User experience and usability are no longer the main goal.
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If it works in Mail 6.6 and doesn't work in Mail 7.0 I don't really think you can blame Google. Apple obviously broke something they had working before (and still does).
The fault is Google's for using a flawed, proprietary implementation of IMAP. Apple simply attempted to accommodate the Gmail disaster in OS X 10.9 Mavericks for their customers.
The Mail app in Mavericks is useless as it gets...
Except, no, it isn’t, so stop.
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
The fault is Google's for using a flawed, proprietary implementation of IMAP. Apple simply attempted to accommodate the Gmail disaster in OS X 10.9 Mavericks for their customers.
Or, rather, what did Apple change between 10.8 and 10.9 that now doesn’t accept the use of broken IMAP implementations?
I will anxiously await a fix from either or both of you since the solution is apparently quite easy.
It _is_ very easy. Just roll back the Mail.app code to 10.8.
I've become increasingly frustrated with all the bugs in iOS, OS X, and Apple's first-party apps. Before they go off with the next grand idea, they need to fix what's already released.
I must admit I feel the same about Google. Instead of self-driving cars, how 'bout improving the apps we all use every day!
I've got an iCloud IMAP account and 5 Google Apps-hosted (Gmail-based) IMAP accounts. This problem does not affect me very much. Messages seem to arrive properly - unless I first receive them in another email client, such as on my phone. If I receive an email on my phone, the message does not appear immediately on my Mac in every case. That's where the frustration comes from. Other than that, this problem is minimal for me.
It _is_ very easy. Just roll back the Mail.app code to 10.8.
I've become increasingly frustrated with all the bugs in iOS, OS X, and Apple's first-party apps. Before they go off with the next grand idea, they need to fix what's already released.
I must admit I feel the same about Google. Instead of self-driving cars, how 'bout improving the apps we all use every day!
Because Google doesn't care about your use of existing apps. We all _demand_ innovation from these tech companies, and Google is more focused on the next big announcement they can make rather than just cleaning up what they have now.
I've got an iCloud IMAP account and 5 Google Apps-hosted (Gmail-based) IMAP accounts. This problem does not affect me very much. Messages seem to arrive properly - unless I first receive them in another email client, such as on my phone. If I receive an email on my phone, the message does not appear immediately on my Mac in every case. That's where the frustration comes from. Other than that, this problem is minimal for me.
Minimal? I don't have any of the mail issues described in this thread, or any other website describing any or all symptoms. I wonder what the ratio is with people experiencing this issue, and those who don't.
Because Google doesn't care about your use of existing apps. We all _demand_ innovation from these tech companies, and Google is more focused on the next big announcement they can make rather than just cleaning up what they have now.
You say Google is focused, but I don't see on what they're focused on. They seem to have a habit of trying anything out, see what sticks. Their list of discontinued products on a wiki is a long one.
Minimal? I don't have any of the mail issues described in this thread, or any other website describing any or all symptoms. I wonder what the ratio is with people experiencing this issue, and those who don't.
You say Google is focused, but I don't see on what they're focused on. They seem to have a habit of trying anything out, see what sticks. Their list of discontinued products on a wiki is a long one.
Focus, focus
hocus pocus
technology not magic
Google's focus is tragic
Actually Gmail works better than many other ordinary IMAP services. Also all these services worked good enough on earlier systems, so it would have been better to revert all the technologies back to 10.8.x system before going ahead. (Maybe there is too much in the Mavericks relying on the changes made.) Developers apparently new of the problems almost a year ago now, still nothing much happens at Apple. In general there are more problems of all kinds on OS X when watching the system logs now than before and it is more common with the computer hanging when the screen goes to sleep and more common with the system crashing (even on the iPhone). Hopefully they will focus a little on making things work under the hood before leaping for new technology, before they even learned old one ... (not that Google, MS and Adobe are any better).
That is not even close to a stop gap fix. My emails still do not update when I wake my computer from sleep. Messages I read on my iPhone or other device do not get set as read or deleted until sometime after I've been on the Mac for a while. I sure hope they fix this with 10.9.2. This is ridiculous. PostBox does not have this problem.
I agree. I have a Google Apps account and a regular Gmail account and the read messages do not update for hours when read on another device. My Google Apps never gives me an unread count in the dock. Blue dots and unread count on the "archive" folder, but nothing on the inbox folder or dock. After trying this "trick" I am now not getting a count on the Gmail account.
Also a major issue for Exchange servers; it has caused some in my company to switch to Outlook because we are obliged to use the corporate exchange server. Bummer that it is taking so long to fix, but I bet that Microsoft and Google and Apple are all trying to make life hard for users in multiple ecosystems.
Yea, I agree. They all work great with their own "clients". At work we switched from Exchange to Google Apps and half the company is pissed because they don't like Gmail's UI and want to use Mail, Outlook, Thunderbird, etc. But none of them support Google's oAuth and the company doesn't want unsecured access to mail so we are screwed.
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Mail has been a problem for many generations. It is not a professional class email client.
Yep. It's a really basic app, and one I gave up a long time ago. FWIW, Outlook for Mac works flawlessly with Mavericks.
A piece of garbage can still work 'flawlessly' as long as that was the creator's intention.
Yea, Outlook might fetch email without (much) difficulty, but the program so god awful I could never even consider using it as a primary for work, and that's coming from someone with 3 work email accounts two of which are Exchange!
Exchange support on Mac is non-existent across the board (no push = no exchange as far as I'm concerned...and it needs to be addressed by Apple.
Not I'm sure it's not a bug in Mac OS. Google screwed with Mail support in iOS it's not a shock they might have on the computer as well.
The best resolution is for Google to resolve the issue on their end.
If it works in Mail 6.6 and doesn't work in Mail 7.0 I don't really think you can blame Google. Apple obviously broke something they had working before (and still does).The fault is Google's for using a flawed, proprietary implementation of IMAP. Apple simply attempted to accommodate the Gmail disaster in OS X 10.9 Mavericks for their customers.
Except, no, it isn’t, so stop.
Or, rather, what did Apple change between 10.8 and 10.9 that now doesn’t accept the use of broken IMAP implementations?
It _is_ very easy. Just roll back the Mail.app code to 10.8.
I've become increasingly frustrated with all the bugs in iOS, OS X, and Apple's first-party apps. Before they go off with the next grand idea, they need to fix what's already released.
I must admit I feel the same about Google. Instead of self-driving cars, how 'bout improving the apps we all use every day!
I've got an iCloud IMAP account and 5 Google Apps-hosted (Gmail-based) IMAP accounts. This problem does not affect me very much. Messages seem to arrive properly - unless I first receive them in another email client, such as on my phone. If I receive an email on my phone, the message does not appear immediately on my Mac in every case. That's where the frustration comes from. Other than that, this problem is minimal for me.
It _is_ very easy. Just roll back the Mail.app code to 10.8.
I've become increasingly frustrated with all the bugs in iOS, OS X, and Apple's first-party apps. Before they go off with the next grand idea, they need to fix what's already released.
I must admit I feel the same about Google. Instead of self-driving cars, how 'bout improving the apps we all use every day!
Because Google doesn't care about your use of existing apps. We all _demand_ innovation from these tech companies, and Google is more focused on the next big announcement they can make rather than just cleaning up what they have now.
Minimal? I don't have any of the mail issues described in this thread, or any other website describing any or all symptoms. I wonder what the ratio is with people experiencing this issue, and those who don't.
You say Google is focused, but I don't see on what they're focused on. They seem to have a habit of trying anything out, see what sticks. Their list of discontinued products on a wiki is a long one.
Focus, focus
hocus pocus
technology not magic
Google's focus is tragic
GMail sucks anyway in my not so humble opinion. I never did like the way it worked.
I agree. I have a Google Apps account and a regular Gmail account and the read messages do not update for hours when read on another device. My Google Apps never gives me an unread count in the dock. Blue dots and unread count on the "archive" folder, but nothing on the inbox folder or dock. After trying this "trick" I am now not getting a count on the Gmail account.
Yea, I agree. They all work great with their own "clients". At work we switched from Exchange to Google Apps and half the company is pissed because they don't like Gmail's UI and want to use Mail, Outlook, Thunderbird, etc. But none of them support Google's oAuth and the company doesn't want unsecured access to mail so we are screwed.
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