Don't be ridiculous. It has a lot of useful and relevant applications...unfortunately those of you that are unaware of the world outside the Apple bubble have no idea and thus make comments like these.
I live my entire work life "outside the Apple bubble".
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Flash may suck, but it is still very important for a lot of sophisticated web applications and will continue to be for at least the next 5 years.
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And, yes, it is shameful that Adobe let this become their legacy. On any given day, go to bing.com/news or (heaven forbid) news.google.com, type "Adobe" in the search box, and count the ratio of stories about Flash vulnerabilities to the total. On second thought, "shameful" might be an understatement.
I live my entire work life "outside the Apple bubble".
I'm guessing the Flash developer among us just outed himself. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
And, yes, it is shameful that Adobe let this become their legacy. On any given day, go to bing.com/news or (heaven forbid) news.google.com, type "Adobe" in the search box, and count the ratio of stories about Flash vulnerabilities to the total. On second thought, "shameful" might be an understatement.
I may not technically be a Flash developer, but I certainly work with several, and they are still able to do things in the swf that html5 cannot. Yet, I don't know a single Flash developer that doesn't have an "HTML5 plan" for the next few years.
While the Apple-ites (of which I'm normally one) seem to think Flash is dead...the reality it, No. Its not. Not yet. But in approximately 5 years, it will be, mostly dead.
I may not technically be a Flash developer, but I certainly work with several, and they are still able to do things in the swf that html5 cannot. Yet, I don't know a single Flash developer that doesn't have an "HTML5 plan" for the next few years.
Five years? How do Flash developers reach mobile users today?
There's something that I can't understand. Google owns Android and Youtube. Facebook's mobile apps is becoming increasingly important...
A) Why do we have flash ads and every single embedded video as flash on facebook;
Why most youtube videos can't be seem without flash because flash ads won't load;
C) Why does Chrome, a great browser (second only behind safari 7 for mac), still brings flash to kill our smoothness and battery life? To please useless gamers that demand it because of what I mentioned above?
Just kill the damn thing. I refuse to install it on safari.
Together with having an Android phone, flash is one reason to install Chrome.
Five years? How do Flash developers reach mobile users today?
I believe the reason some of us refer to a continued lifespan of another five years for Adobe Flash is enterprise applications. Unfortunately, many enterprise applications still require Adobe Flash for some functionality. Changing enterprise application vendors is almost never any easy proposition.
Adobe Flash is still viable for video because so many users are still on an older version of Internet Explorer. If all those Explorer people would upgrade we could get rid of Flash for video.
It is still the most powerful platform for animation and some graphics based applications for which there is no easy substitute, but for video it should be retired.
The main problem with Flash is that it has too much power. It can read and write files, connect to databases, send mail, etc. That is where they get into trouble. It just has too much capability in a single package which opens a lot of security risks.
But Adobe is ready in the wings to take control of video once again though, with Primetime, their latest video format that will be compatible with virtually everything including iOS and is much more locked down than Flash because it will run from their servers not in the open Internet . It will still require a standalone player app. This is mainly for big sites not small startups. It has analytics, ads, DRM etc, etc. so the Adobe haters will enjoy many more years of whining even after the demise of Flash.
Adobe Flash is still viable for video because so many users are still on an older version of Internet Explorer. If all those Explorer people would upgrade we could get rid of Flash for video.
It is still the most powerful platform for animation and some graphics based applications for which there is no easy substitute, but for video it should be retired.
The main problem with Flash is that it has too much power. It can read and write files, connect to databases, send mail, etc. That is where they get into trouble. It just has too much capability in a single package which opens a lot of security risks.
But Adobe is ready in the wings to take control of video once again though, with Primetime, their latest video format that will be compatible with virtually everything including iOS and is much more locked down than Flash because it will run from their servers not in the open Internet . It will still require a standalone player app. This is mainly for big sites not small startups. It has analytics, ads, DRM etc, etc. so the Adobe haters will enjoy many more years of whining even after the demise of Flash.
How does one turn off and on Flash without removing it from the system? I know it is a plug-in for Firefox. I don't see where to just turn it off and on easily. I also use Chrome when Firefox is too slow.
How does one turn off and on Flash without removing it from the system? I know it is a plug-in for Firefox. I don't see where to just turn it off and on easily. I also use Chrome when Firefox is too slow.
I'm on a PC at work at the moment, and I'm not sure things look the same on Chrome for Mac, but:
1. Settings
2. "Content Settings" under "Privacy"
3. "Disable individual plug-ins" under "Plug-ins"
4. Disable Flash
While you're there, if you happen to have the Adobe PDF viewer selected instead of Chrome's, switch to the Chrome one. It's faster and also less feature-rich, so probably more secure against attacks that target Adobe's crappy security measures.
Don't be ridiculous. It has a lot of useful and relevant applications...unfortunately those of you that are unaware of the world outside the Apple bubble have no idea and thus make comments like these.
Flash may suck, but it is still very important for a lot of sophisticated web applications and will continue to be for at least the next 5 years.
This kind of "close enough, good enough" thinking that typifies the PC world, drives me crazy.
Flash might be easy to code for (debatable) but doesn't provide a good user experience - it's propriery, resource intensive does not allow the user to perform secondary click actions and creates yet another hidey hole for advertisers and trackers to snoop on the unwitting user.
This kind of "close enough, good enough" thinking that typifies the PC world, drives me crazy.
Flash might be easy to code for (debatable) but doesn't provide a good user experience - it's propriery, resource intensive does not allow the user to perform secondary click actions and creates yet another hidey hole for advertisers and trackers to snoop on the unwitting user.
Totally agree. Flash was not designed originally to be an advertiser hidey hole medium. It was an evolution of Director, AuthorWare, and Future Splash all designed as simple straight forward multimedia delivery tools mostly for disc based animation. It just got perverted once the Internet became available. As the video wars erupted Flash became the ubiquitous refuge for content providers, but the underlying feature set made it a prime target for abuse.
In the early days the video wars were about QuickTime, AVI, and RealPlayer. As the medium evolved both Micosoft and Apple developed streaming servers and eventually squeezed out Real. When Macromedia introduced Flash as an alternative to the two warring heavyweights nobody complained and within a very short time it became the video delivery platform of choice.
It wasn't until the introduction of iPhone did that standard become disrupted.
Now the video wars are even more troublesome than in the early days. As developers, it has come down to only one practical solution. Everything must be delivered through YouTube. No longer can a solo developer host their own video. You need around 20 different versions of every clip. One for each codec, WebM, H.264, Ogg, and Flash for older browsers, and also in several different resolutions depending on the device and the connection speed. It is a nightmare. Fortunately YouTube takes care of all the backend issues, which is great so long as you want all your video hosted there.
Flash Player is like any other software. The more features you pack into it the bigger the power and memory overhead is going to be. Every software is subject to exploitation and will need updates. Apple , Microsoft and Adobe all issue security updates on a routine basis. Bottom line is that if you don't like Adobe, Apple or Microsoft software, you don't have to use them, but some content may not be available depending on your choices.
How does one turn off and on Flash without removing it from the system? I know it is a plug-in for Firefox. I don't see where to just turn it off and on easily. I also use Chrome when Firefox is too slow.
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A virus that you can install on your computer with a secondary feature that displays stuff for you.
Don't be ridiculous. It has a lot of useful and relevant applications...unfortunately those of you that are unaware of the world outside the Apple bubble have no idea and thus make comments like these.
I live my entire work life "outside the Apple bubble".
Flash may suck, but it is still very important for a lot of sophisticated web applications and will continue to be for at least the next 5 years.
I'm guessing the Flash developer among us just outed himself.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
And, yes, it is shameful that Adobe let this become their legacy. On any given day, go to bing.com/news or (heaven forbid) news.google.com, type "Adobe" in the search box, and count the ratio of stories about Flash vulnerabilities to the total. On second thought, "shameful" might be an understatement.
I live my entire work life "outside the Apple bubble".
I'm guessing the Flash developer among us just outed himself.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
And, yes, it is shameful that Adobe let this become their legacy. On any given day, go to bing.com/news or (heaven forbid) news.google.com, type "Adobe" in the search box, and count the ratio of stories about Flash vulnerabilities to the total. On second thought, "shameful" might be an understatement.
I may not technically be a Flash developer, but I certainly work with several, and they are still able to do things in the swf that html5 cannot. Yet, I don't know a single Flash developer that doesn't have an "HTML5 plan" for the next few years.
While the Apple-ites (of which I'm normally one) seem to think Flash is dead...the reality it, No. Its not. Not yet. But in approximately 5 years, it will be, mostly dead.
I may not technically be a Flash developer, but I certainly work with several, and they are still able to do things in the swf that html5 cannot. Yet, I don't know a single Flash developer that doesn't have an "HTML5 plan" for the next few years.
Five years? How do Flash developers reach mobile users today?
There's something that I can't understand. Google owns Android and Youtube. Facebook's mobile apps is becoming increasingly important...
A) Why do we have flash ads and every single embedded video as flash on facebook;
C) Why does Chrome, a great browser (second only behind safari 7 for mac), still brings flash to kill our smoothness and battery life? To please useless gamers that demand it because of what I mentioned above?
Just kill the damn thing. I refuse to install it on safari.
Together with having an Android phone, flash is one reason to install Chrome.
I believe the reason some of us refer to a continued lifespan of another five years for Adobe Flash is enterprise applications. Unfortunately, many enterprise applications still require Adobe Flash for some functionality. Changing enterprise application vendors is almost never any easy proposition.
It is still the most powerful platform for animation and some graphics based applications for which there is no easy substitute, but for video it should be retired.
The main problem with Flash is that it has too much power. It can read and write files, connect to databases, send mail, etc. That is where they get into trouble. It just has too much capability in a single package which opens a lot of security risks.
But Adobe is ready in the wings to take control of video once again though, with Primetime, their latest video format that will be compatible with virtually everything including iOS and is much more locked down than Flash because it will run from their servers not in the open Internet . It will still require a standalone player app. This is mainly for big sites not small startups. It has analytics, ads, DRM etc, etc. so the Adobe haters will enjoy many more years of whining even after the demise of Flash.
Hey Adobe. Your last-century antique software sucks.
Adobe Flash is still viable for video because so many users are still on an older version of Internet Explorer. If all those Explorer people would upgrade we could get rid of Flash for video.
It is still the most powerful platform for animation and some graphics based applications for which there is no easy substitute, but for video it should be retired.
The main problem with Flash is that it has too much power. It can read and write files, connect to databases, send mail, etc. That is where they get into trouble. It just has too much capability in a single package which opens a lot of security risks.
But Adobe is ready in the wings to take control of video once again though, with Primetime, their latest video format that will be compatible with virtually everything including iOS and is much more locked down than Flash because it will run from their servers not in the open Internet . It will still require a standalone player app. This is mainly for big sites not small startups. It has analytics, ads, DRM etc, etc. so the Adobe haters will enjoy many more years of whining even after the demise of Flash.
Wow. Just listen to this guy.
How does one turn off and on Flash without removing it from the system? I know it is a plug-in for Firefox. I don't see where to just turn it off and on easily. I also use Chrome when Firefox is too slow.
How does one turn off and on Flash without removing it from the system? I know it is a plug-in for Firefox. I don't see where to just turn it off and on easily. I also use Chrome when Firefox is too slow.
I'm on a PC at work at the moment, and I'm not sure things look the same on Chrome for Mac, but:
1. Settings
2. "Content Settings" under "Privacy"
3. "Disable individual plug-ins" under "Plug-ins"
4. Disable Flash
While you're there, if you happen to have the Adobe PDF viewer selected instead of Chrome's, switch to the Chrome one. It's faster and also less feature-rich, so probably more secure against attacks that target Adobe's crappy security measures.
Maybe you can beat them with your buggy whip!
What's a 'buggy whip'? You must be an old guy.
I haven't installed Flash on my system, and if I really need to view a site with Flash, I'll run Chrome, which has its own embedded Flash player.
Don't be ridiculous. It has a lot of useful and relevant applications...unfortunately those of you that are unaware of the world outside the Apple bubble have no idea and thus make comments like these.
Flash may suck, but it is still very important for a lot of sophisticated web applications and will continue to be for at least the next 5 years.
This kind of "close enough, good enough" thinking that typifies the PC world, drives me crazy.
Flash might be easy to code for (debatable) but doesn't provide a good user experience - it's propriery, resource intensive does not allow the user to perform secondary click actions and creates yet another hidey hole for advertisers and trackers to snoop on the unwitting user.
This kind of "close enough, good enough" thinking that typifies the PC world, drives me crazy.
Flash might be easy to code for (debatable) but doesn't provide a good user experience - it's propriery, resource intensive does not allow the user to perform secondary click actions and creates yet another hidey hole for advertisers and trackers to snoop on the unwitting user.
Totally agree. Flash was not designed originally to be an advertiser hidey hole medium. It was an evolution of Director, AuthorWare, and Future Splash all designed as simple straight forward multimedia delivery tools mostly for disc based animation. It just got perverted once the Internet became available. As the video wars erupted Flash became the ubiquitous refuge for content providers, but the underlying feature set made it a prime target for abuse.
In the early days the video wars were about QuickTime, AVI, and RealPlayer. As the medium evolved both Micosoft and Apple developed streaming servers and eventually squeezed out Real. When Macromedia introduced Flash as an alternative to the two warring heavyweights nobody complained and within a very short time it became the video delivery platform of choice.
It wasn't until the introduction of iPhone did that standard become disrupted.
Now the video wars are even more troublesome than in the early days. As developers, it has come down to only one practical solution. Everything must be delivered through YouTube. No longer can a solo developer host their own video. You need around 20 different versions of every clip. One for each codec, WebM, H.264, Ogg, and Flash for older browsers, and also in several different resolutions depending on the device and the connection speed. It is a nightmare. Fortunately YouTube takes care of all the backend issues, which is great so long as you want all your video hosted there.
Flash Player is like any other software. The more features you pack into it the bigger the power and memory overhead is going to be. Every software is subject to exploitation and will need updates. Apple , Microsoft and Adobe all issue security updates on a routine basis. Bottom line is that if you don't like Adobe, Apple or Microsoft software, you don't have to use them, but some content may not be available depending on your choices.
http://clicktoflash.com/
FLASH WHO???
Flash Ah-A, saviour of the Universe.