When a driverless car is capable of quickly and safely handling this situation, then it might be approaching usability.
Autonomous vehicles are capable of changing much much more than that. Traffic will improve. Fewer accidents. Mileage will improve. Fewer people will get lost. Many will reach their destinations faster. Taxi drivers will lose their jobs. More morons will chime in on Appleinsider more frequently while en route from corner store back to mom's basement. Porn sites will do more business. Condom sales may go up. Or more babies will be conceived. Radio talk show hosts will be more popular. More photos of cars and passengers will be uploaded onto Instagram.
He has posted many other times without the "I'm a fan, but". Clearly he can make his point without it, but in that one instance chose to include it. It doesn't invalidate anything.
This "gotcha" criticism of yours is very repetitive and tedious and, to me, far more indicative of not being able to make a constructive point than a few words of irrelevant personal context.
Gotcha is the name of the game here. Accept it or be gotten.
I am a fan of apple.. I got a macbook and iphones since the original one. I love to see them succeed but when people defy logic it annoys and irritates me.
to your points. Yes cars, seriously. Almost everyone agrees that regulatory hurdles will drag implementation of the technology (that already exists) further down the road. Almost everyone agrees that we will see a 90%-100% driverless car within 10 years from now. Your example with the F1 car is irrelevant. These cars will drive on the road infrastructure that already exist. Its the technology that google (and others) is building that will allow this. And I bet they would love to lease it to all car manufacturers when the time comes.
and robotics. from what I read Google plans to revolutionalize factories. So instead of thousand chinese workers assembling phones at Foxtron, there will be robot factories - possibly in the US- assembling them 24/7. And I get those robots wont be jumping from any buildings either.
I totally agree with you on your 2nd to last paragraph about apples success.
On your last paragraph you say "Why the hell would anyone want them to start doing stuff with cars or something? That's not their business.".. well it wasnt their business making phones prior to 2007 and now look what happened. I think you must wrote this without thinking. I dont think you believe that Apple should not venture into other markets. I think they are obliged to. Hell yes I would love to see them make tesla like cars. If not Apple with their powerful resources and the zillions in the bank then who?
1. Do you actually drive? Driverless cars will (do) exist. That has NOTHING to do with whether or not (in this case, not) they will be allowed on public roads. My point about F1 was that just because something can be created, and just because something can be bought, has nothing to do with whether or not you can drive it on a public road.
2. Factories have been mechanized for decades. Some things, however, robots are not well-suited to. And you do realize that your "maybe in America" statement makes absolutely no sense, right? If they are all robots doing the work, who gives a damn? That doesn't create jobs.
3. The iPhone is technological hardware. You know, with a screen, a processor, memory, storage, etc. The only difference between an iPhone and, say, a MacBook Pro is the iPhone is smaller and it makes phone calls by connecting to cellular network. The iPhone was totally in Apple's wheelhouse, because it is tech hardware -- you know, the business that Apple's involved in?
Cars, otoh, are not in any way part of their business. Ford was incorporated in 1903. Why not leave automobiles to the people who have been making them for over a century?
I mean, should Apple start making refrigerators too? What about golf clubs? Maybe they should design lingerie and compete with VS?
3. The iPhone is technological hardware. You know, with a screen, a processor, memory, storage, etc. The only difference between an iPhone and, say, a MacBook Pro is the iPhone is smaller and it makes phone calls by connecting to cellular network. The iPhone was totally in Apple's wheelhouse, because it is tech hardware -- you know, the business that Apple's involved in?
IPhone is much more than hardware. The reason why the iPhone makes sense for Apple is because it is a portable computer, not because it is "technology hardware", which is an empty phrase. But even so, Apple started off partnering with Motorola.
Originally Posted by AaronJ
Cars, otoh, are not in any way part of their business. Ford was incorporated in 1903. Why not leave automobiles to the people who have been making them for over a century?
Cars are in many ways connected with Apple's business because computers are part of cars now. The idea of leaving automobiles only to companies who make automobiles is just ... silly and ignorant. I am not saying Apple will or should make cars. It's just that your arguments are poor.
He has posted many other times without the "I'm a fan, but". Clearly he can make his point without it, but in that one instance chose to include it. It doesn't invalidate anything.
And yet he used it.
Enjoy being okay with absolutely any behavior under the sun, I guess.
Gotcha is the name of the game here. Accept it or be gotten.
But that's the typical MO of a concern troll. First let everyone know you've been an Apple fan since forever, list out all the Apple products you've owned over the years, and then go into all the the things you think are wrong with Apple right now.
IPhone is much more than hardware. The reason why the iPhone makes sense for Apple is because it is a portable computer, not because it is "technology hardware", which is an empty phrase. But even so, Apple started off partnering with Motorola.
Cars are in many ways connected with Apple's business because computers are part of cars now. The idea of leaving automobiles only to companies who make automobiles is just ... silly and ignorant. I am not saying Apple will or should make cars. It's just that your arguments are poor.
1. OF COURSE the iPhone is more than simply hardware. I never said it wasn't.
2. Cars are connected to Apple's business because computers are part of cars now. OK, so what? Computers are part of practically anything you use on a daily basis that is more complicated than a fork or a glass. Airplanes. Ships. Those devices that tell you exact yardage on a golf course (illegal btw, but that doesn't seem to stop people). Refrigerators. Etc.
Should Apple now get into the shipbuilding business, or make golf clubs?
But that's the typical MO of a concern troll. First let everyone know you've been an Apple fan since forever, list out all the Apple products you've owned over the years, and then go into all the the things you think are wrong with Apple right now.
That's true of anything, really.
"Look, I really like rap, but ..."
Pretty much anything that starts with "I really like [x], but ..." is just going to be followed with total BS. It's one of the most annoying things I encounter regularly.
Answer to what? For those of us who were alive before the advent of Google (maybe you were not), your statement that Google had revolutionized anything cannot be described as anything but insane, and if there is something one learns is not to argue with crazy people.
Answer to what? For those of us who were alive before the advent of Google (maybe you were not), your statement that Google had revolutionized anything cannot be described as anything but insane, and if there is something one learns is not to argue with crazy people.
The first computer I used was at a uni, I played a Star Trek game with my dad. It had no monitor. The results of your moves and actions were printed out.
The first computer class I took was in 8th grade, and we programmed using punch cards.
The first time I heard about the Web was on a Usenet group, when someone was talking about this really cool new project being worked on. I remember using the web before Mosaic.
So, yeah, I was alive before Google.
Google changed how search on the web worked, yes (though they obviously didn't invent it). That was, when? About the late 90s? I was sort of referring to things they had revolutionized sometime in this century. One COULD argue Android, though that was IMO not revolutionary, it was evolutionary.
Google now is what Google has been almost from the beginning: An advertising company. I'm not sure that that's revolutionary.
Pretty much anything that starts with "I really like [x], but ..." is just going to be followed with total BS. It's one of the most annoying things I encounter regularly.
That's ridiculous.
"I love my wife but I wish she wouldn't press her cold feet against me in bed."
"My car is great in most respects, and I like this make enough that I've bought several over the years, but even after all this time they can't seem to put together a decent sound system."
"I usually like Bruno Mars but I just can't stand this song."
The whole notion of the Concern Troll is something insecure people made up to discredit anyone whose complaints would otherwise have validity as a result of coming from someone who paid money for the product and invested time and energy in using it.
"I love my wife but I wish she wouldn't press her cold feet against me in bed."
"My car is great in most respects, and I like this make enough that I've bought several over the years, but even after all this time they can't seem to put together a decent sound system."
"I usually like Bruno Mars but I just can't stand this song."
The whole notion of the Concern Troll is something insecure people made up to discredit anyone whose complaints would otherwise have validity as a result of coming from someone who paid money for the product and invested time and energy in using it.
No, because the examples you gave are of a completely different nature.
Better examples, that would fit with what we're talking about, are things like:
"Look, I love my wife. I do. But she's getting really fat and I don't see this marriage lasting much longer."
"Look, I've listened to rap for years, but I think it's a dying art form due there being nothing but crap being produced anymore."
For those of us who were alive before the advent of Google (maybe you were not), your statement that Google had revolutionized anything cannot be described as anything but insane
WHAT?!!! SERIOUSLY?!!! You don't think Google has revolutionized anything?
Google so utterly DEFINED the concept of the web search that they wiped out every alternative on the planet and became a VERB! But for the creation of the web itself, Google's is arguably the most significant revolution in the online world to date.
WHAT?!!! SERIOUSLY?!!! You don't think Google has revolutionized anything?
Google so utterly DEFINED the concept of the web search that they wiped out every alternative on the planet and became a VERB! But for the creation of the web itself, Google's is arguably the most significant revolution in the online world to date.
Is this sarcasm?
Because I think it is more than safe to say that the web is the BY FAR the most significant on-line development since the creation of the internet itself.
No, because the examples you gave are of a completely different nature.
I don't think they are, but I'm prepared to be persuaded.
The only difference I can see is that the examples I used didn't end in a fatalistic outcome whereas the ones you gave did. That would mean saying "I've owned a million Apple products and will probably keep buying them even though they piss me off to no end and make some of the stupidest crap ever and charge WAAAAY too much" would NOT be a concern troll, but it WOULD be if I said "I've owned a million Apple products over the years but the design direction they're taking now makes me think the market segment I'm in might now be better served by alternatives."
I don't buy it. I stand by my position that people cry "Concern Troll!" to silence dissenters. It absolutely *IS* possible to be a dissatisfied repeat user. Like me. Apple makes me CRAZY but I hate Apple less than the alternatives so I keep buying Apple products. Saying "I own and use [fill in the blank] and have this ongoing complaint" isn't intended to deflect criticism from my opinion, it's to demonstrate that I'm not a misinformed outsider, I actually deal with [bitch du-jour] personally.
Because I think it is more than safe to say that the web is the BY FAR the most significant on-line development since the creation of the internet itself.
Because I think it is more than safe to say that the web is the BY FAR the most significant on-line development since the creation of the internet itself.
Yeah, that's what I said. Google search is the second biggest development, which makes it a really, really, really big deal.
One doesn't have to like Google to recognize that they completely revolutionized web searching.
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When a driverless car is capable of quickly and safely handling this situation, then it might be approaching usability.
Autonomous vehicles are capable of changing much much more than that. Traffic will improve. Fewer accidents. Mileage will improve. Fewer people will get lost. Many will reach their destinations faster. Taxi drivers will lose their jobs. More morons will chime in on Appleinsider more frequently while en route from corner store back to mom's basement. Porn sites will do more business. Condom sales may go up. Or more babies will be conceived. Radio talk show hosts will be more popular. More photos of cars and passengers will be uploaded onto Instagram.
He has posted many other times without the "I'm a fan, but". Clearly he can make his point without it, but in that one instance chose to include it. It doesn't invalidate anything.
This "gotcha" criticism of yours is very repetitive and tedious and, to me, far more indicative of not being able to make a constructive point than a few words of irrelevant personal context.
Gotcha is the name of the game here. Accept it or be gotten.
I am a fan of apple.. I got a macbook and iphones since the original one. I love to see them succeed but when people defy logic it annoys and irritates me.
to your points. Yes cars, seriously. Almost everyone agrees that regulatory hurdles will drag implementation of the technology (that already exists) further down the road. Almost everyone agrees that we will see a 90%-100% driverless car within 10 years from now. Your example with the F1 car is irrelevant. These cars will drive on the road infrastructure that already exist. Its the technology that google (and others) is building that will allow this. And I bet they would love to lease it to all car manufacturers when the time comes.
and robotics. from what I read Google plans to revolutionalize factories. So instead of thousand chinese workers assembling phones at Foxtron, there will be robot factories - possibly in the US- assembling them 24/7. And I get those robots wont be jumping from any buildings either.
I totally agree with you on your 2nd to last paragraph about apples success.
On your last paragraph you say "Why the hell would anyone want them to start doing stuff with cars or something? That's not their business.".. well it wasnt their business making phones prior to 2007 and now look what happened. I think you must wrote this without thinking. I dont think you believe that Apple should not venture into other markets. I think they are obliged to. Hell yes I would love to see them make tesla like cars. If not Apple with their powerful resources and the zillions in the bank then who?
1. Do you actually drive? Driverless cars will (do) exist. That has NOTHING to do with whether or not (in this case, not) they will be allowed on public roads. My point about F1 was that just because something can be created, and just because something can be bought, has nothing to do with whether or not you can drive it on a public road.
2. Factories have been mechanized for decades. Some things, however, robots are not well-suited to. And you do realize that your "maybe in America" statement makes absolutely no sense, right? If they are all robots doing the work, who gives a damn? That doesn't create jobs.
3. The iPhone is technological hardware. You know, with a screen, a processor, memory, storage, etc. The only difference between an iPhone and, say, a MacBook Pro is the iPhone is smaller and it makes phone calls by connecting to cellular network. The iPhone was totally in Apple's wheelhouse, because it is tech hardware -- you know, the business that Apple's involved in?
Cars, otoh, are not in any way part of their business. Ford was incorporated in 1903. Why not leave automobiles to the people who have been making them for over a century?
I mean, should Apple start making refrigerators too? What about golf clubs? Maybe they should design lingerie and compete with VS?
No. It is even unlikely that even the military, which really needs driverless cars will have them in 10 years.
Military UGVs have been around for decades.
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It's nice that Google is funding the DARPA grand challenge winner but the innovation award belongs elsewhere. Like DARPA.
More than one entity deserves recognition. You really are clueless, aren't you?
3. The iPhone is technological hardware. You know, with a screen, a processor, memory, storage, etc. The only difference between an iPhone and, say, a MacBook Pro is the iPhone is smaller and it makes phone calls by connecting to cellular network. The iPhone was totally in Apple's wheelhouse, because it is tech hardware -- you know, the business that Apple's involved in?
IPhone is much more than hardware. The reason why the iPhone makes sense for Apple is because it is a portable computer, not because it is "technology hardware", which is an empty phrase. But even so, Apple started off partnering with Motorola.
Cars, otoh, are not in any way part of their business. Ford was incorporated in 1903. Why not leave automobiles to the people who have been making them for over a century?
Cars are in many ways connected with Apple's business because computers are part of cars now. The idea of leaving automobiles only to companies who make automobiles is just ... silly and ignorant. I am not saying Apple will or should make cars. It's just that your arguments are poor.
And yet he used it.
Enjoy being okay with absolutely any behavior under the sun, I guess.
IPhone is much more than hardware. The reason why the iPhone makes sense for Apple is because it is a portable computer, not because it is "technology hardware", which is an empty phrase. But even so, Apple started off partnering with Motorola.
Cars are in many ways connected with Apple's business because computers are part of cars now. The idea of leaving automobiles only to companies who make automobiles is just ... silly and ignorant. I am not saying Apple will or should make cars. It's just that your arguments are poor.
1. OF COURSE the iPhone is more than simply hardware. I never said it wasn't.
2. Cars are connected to Apple's business because computers are part of cars now. OK, so what? Computers are part of practically anything you use on a daily basis that is more complicated than a fork or a glass. Airplanes. Ships. Those devices that tell you exact yardage on a golf course (illegal btw, but that doesn't seem to stop people). Refrigerators. Etc.
Should Apple now get into the shipbuilding business, or make golf clubs?
But that's the typical MO of a concern troll. First let everyone know you've been an Apple fan since forever, list out all the Apple products you've owned over the years, and then go into all the the things you think are wrong with Apple right now.
That's true of anything, really.
"Look, I really like rap, but ..."
Pretty much anything that starts with "I really like [x], but ..." is just going to be followed with total BS. It's one of the most annoying things I encounter regularly.
What the hell has google revolutionized??? I guess on your desert island, not much.
What the hell has google revolutionized??? I guess on your desert island, not much.
That's not really an answer.
That's not really an answer.
Answer to what? For those of us who were alive before the advent of Google (maybe you were not), your statement that Google had revolutionized anything cannot be described as anything but insane, and if there is something one learns is not to argue with crazy people.
Answer to what? For those of us who were alive before the advent of Google (maybe you were not), your statement that Google had revolutionized anything cannot be described as anything but insane, and if there is something one learns is not to argue with crazy people.
The first computer I used was at a uni, I played a Star Trek game with my dad. It had no monitor. The results of your moves and actions were printed out.
The first computer class I took was in 8th grade, and we programmed using punch cards.
The first time I heard about the Web was on a Usenet group, when someone was talking about this really cool new project being worked on. I remember using the web before Mosaic.
So, yeah, I was alive before Google.
Google changed how search on the web worked, yes (though they obviously didn't invent it). That was, when? About the late 90s? I was sort of referring to things they had revolutionized sometime in this century. One COULD argue Android, though that was IMO not revolutionary, it was evolutionary.
Google now is what Google has been almost from the beginning: An advertising company. I'm not sure that that's revolutionary.
Pretty much anything that starts with "I really like [x], but ..." is just going to be followed with total BS. It's one of the most annoying things I encounter regularly.
That's ridiculous.
"I love my wife but I wish she wouldn't press her cold feet against me in bed."
"My car is great in most respects, and I like this make enough that I've bought several over the years, but even after all this time they can't seem to put together a decent sound system."
"I usually like Bruno Mars but I just can't stand this song."
The whole notion of the Concern Troll is something insecure people made up to discredit anyone whose complaints would otherwise have validity as a result of coming from someone who paid money for the product and invested time and energy in using it.
That's ridiculous.
"I love my wife but I wish she wouldn't press her cold feet against me in bed."
"My car is great in most respects, and I like this make enough that I've bought several over the years, but even after all this time they can't seem to put together a decent sound system."
"I usually like Bruno Mars but I just can't stand this song."
The whole notion of the Concern Troll is something insecure people made up to discredit anyone whose complaints would otherwise have validity as a result of coming from someone who paid money for the product and invested time and energy in using it.
No, because the examples you gave are of a completely different nature.
Better examples, that would fit with what we're talking about, are things like:
"Look, I love my wife. I do. But she's getting really fat and I don't see this marriage lasting much longer."
"Look, I've listened to rap for years, but I think it's a dying art form due there being nothing but crap being produced anymore."
And the like.
For those of us who were alive before the advent of Google (maybe you were not), your statement that Google had revolutionized anything cannot be described as anything but insane
WHAT?!!! SERIOUSLY?!!! You don't think Google has revolutionized anything?
Google so utterly DEFINED the concept of the web search that they wiped out every alternative on the planet and became a VERB! But for the creation of the web itself, Google's is arguably the most significant revolution in the online world to date.
WHAT?!!! SERIOUSLY?!!! You don't think Google has revolutionized anything?
Google so utterly DEFINED the concept of the web search that they wiped out every alternative on the planet and became a VERB! But for the creation of the web itself, Google's is arguably the most significant revolution in the online world to date.
Is this sarcasm?
Because I think it is more than safe to say that the web is the BY FAR the most significant on-line development since the creation of the internet itself.
No, because the examples you gave are of a completely different nature.
I don't think they are, but I'm prepared to be persuaded.
The only difference I can see is that the examples I used didn't end in a fatalistic outcome whereas the ones you gave did. That would mean saying "I've owned a million Apple products and will probably keep buying them even though they piss me off to no end and make some of the stupidest crap ever and charge WAAAAY too much" would NOT be a concern troll, but it WOULD be if I said "I've owned a million Apple products over the years but the design direction they're taking now makes me think the market segment I'm in might now be better served by alternatives."
I don't buy it. I stand by my position that people cry "Concern Troll!" to silence dissenters. It absolutely *IS* possible to be a dissatisfied repeat user. Like me. Apple makes me CRAZY but I hate Apple less than the alternatives so I keep buying Apple products. Saying "I own and use [fill in the blank] and have this ongoing complaint" isn't intended to deflect criticism from my opinion, it's to demonstrate that I'm not a misinformed outsider, I actually deal with [bitch du-jour] personally.
Is this sarcasm?
Because I think it is more than safe to say that the web is the BY FAR the most significant on-line development since the creation of the internet itself.
That's what v5v said.
Because I think it is more than safe to say that the web is the BY FAR the most significant on-line development since the creation of the internet itself.
Yeah, that's what I said. Google search is the second biggest development, which makes it a really, really, really big deal.
One doesn't have to like Google to recognize that they completely revolutionized web searching.