Further, if we read God's word with a detailed eye we'll notice that he said "it is abomination" to lie with mankind as with womankind. He didn't say of eating shellfish that "it is abomination". He said *to the nation of Israel that "it shall be an abomination unto you". It was an abomination *to them*, not to me as a Gentile. But he never said homosexuality "shall be an abomination to you", speaking of them specifically. He just said "it is abomination" period.
God doesn't make mistakes, though I do daily.
And you don't believe that anything was lost in translation between the original text of bible and its various English translations? After all, it was humans who translated the text and humans are capable of mistakes.
Taking literal meaning from a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation is very dangerous.
Genesis 19:30-32 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave.<strong style="vertical-align:top;">31 </strong>
One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth.<strong style="vertical-align:top;">32 </strong>
Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
Good one. The hilarious thing about bible thumpers is how they can prove anything they want by flip flopping between the old and new Testament. If is says it's up in one it sure as heck will say it's down in the other somewhere.
Not to be picky and I am trying to be tactful here, but how can you ask for 'facts' and stand behind faith , the two things are quite different.
Because I'm an individual, not a news reporting company. News reporting companies should strive to be unbiased. Individuals are entitled to personal opinions/beliefs.
And you don't believe that anything was lost in translation between the original text of bible and its various English translations? After all, it was humans who translated the text and humans are capable of mistakes.
Taking literal meaning from a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation is very dangerous.
I don't believe for one minute that any of God's words were lost.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalm 12:6-7)
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." (Luke 21:33)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God…" (II Timothy 3:16)
All *scripture* *is* given by inspiration of God, not "all original manuscripts were given…"
If I believed that portions here and portions there were lost or mistranslated, then I might as well reject the whole thing. After all, how would I know what was really God's word and what wasn't? "Scholars?"
I believe in the power of God to override the feebleness of man in keeping his word for us to have today.
I don't believe for one minute that any of God's words were lost.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalm 12:6-7)
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." (Luke 21:33)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God…" (II Timothy 3:16)
All *scripture* *is* given by inspiration of God, not "all original manuscripts were given…"
If I believed that portions here and portions there were lost or mistranslated, then I might as well reject the whole thing. After all, how would I know what was really God's word and what wasn't? "Scholars?"
I believe in the power of God to override the feebleness of man in keeping his word for us to have today.
When someone claims that all scripture is God-given and immaculate, ignoring the fact that there are countless different translations of the Bible and even different versions of the original manuscripts, it becomes impossible to have any sort of rational argument.
Because I'm an individual, not a news reporting company. News reporting companies should strive to be unbiased. Individuals are entitled to personal opinions/beliefs.
I don't disagree with the basic premise you make in this reply (not the first post you made with which I disagree) but it is too oversimplified. IMHO a centrist, balanced news organization should have standards from which to establish where bias and non biased meet and where the line is. This should be established by societal norms. Sadly, currently the USA is in such a state of polarization between science versus myth, equality versus inequality and so on I doubt any new organization can find that line.
When someone claims that all scripture is God-given and immaculate, ignoring the fact that there are countless different translations of the Bible and even different versions of the original manuscripts, it becomes impossible to have any sort of rational argument.
You are exactly right. You can't and we shouldn't try. We are all being sucked into the same thing that happens when you open the door and try to argue with a neat looking guy in a suit from Salt lake City. It's pointless and they love to argue and don't actually think about what they parrot. This is the origin of trolling when you think about it!
I don't believe for one minute that any of God's words were lost.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalm 12:6-7)
3 Peter 17 ~ "And let he who is blinded by faith use undreamed of technological advances to preach the words of 2000 year old illiterate, superstitious camel herders."
Please, AppleInsider, stay away from politics. I would love it if Apple just stayed away from it too.
Since Politics affects society fundamentally and a company like Apple and it's employees operate within society and form an intrinsic part of it, your wish is impractical at best.
Could it be that what you really meant, was that you would rather a company with the significant influence Apple obviously has, would not seek to oppose something you personally approve of?
AppleInsider, I would have preferred that you speak with a less biased voice in your writing. Please just report the facts instead of taking sides.
That said, I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, who calls homosexuality an abomination in his holy scriptures.
Nevertheless, I expect a news site to report facts and not lace it with personal feelings, either toward the side I hold or to the other.
I guess you forgot this little bit of scripture.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/162177/apple-inc-asks-arizona-governor-to-veto-state-gay-discrimination-bill#post_2477172" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>randallking</strong> <a href="/t/162177/apple-inc-asks-arizona-governor-to-veto-state-gay-discrimination-bill#post_2477172"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />AppleInsider, I would have preferred that you speak with a less biased voice in your writing. Please just report the facts instead of taking sides.<br /><br />That said, I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, who calls homosexuality an abomination in his holy scriptures.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I expect a news site to report facts and not lace it with personal feelings, either toward the side I hold or to the other.</div></div><p><br />Take a long walk off a short pier.</p>
The same Jesus you reference is the eternal Word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. He said, "Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) This same Lord said in Leviticus 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Granted, that was a law given to the nation of Israel, but it certainly gives us an understanding of what God thinks of such acts.
God does not change. Just because he preached forgiveness (not tolerance) while he walked this earth does not mean he preached abiding in sin. Over and over, he and his disciples preached repentance from wickedness. That includes covetousness, adultery, fornication (sexual impurity of any kind, including homosexuality), idolatry.
The argument that scripture teaches following natural inclinations doesn't hold water. Were that true, we could excuse any sin on that basis. I have a natural attraction to women; my natural tendency doesn't make rampant sexual activity okay, though I have a natural inclination that way. I must do as the Apostle Paul wrote in I Corinthians 9:27 and bring my body into subjection. Christ's modern disciples have the responsibility to encourage those with homosexual tendencies to do the same.
Since Politics affects society fundamentally and a company like Apple and it's employees operate within society and form an intrinsic part of it, your wish is impractical at best.
Could it be that what you really meant, was that you would rather a company with the significant influence Apple obviously has, would not seek to oppose something you personally approve of?
I hope the Apple execs didn't spend more than a few minutes on this issue. "Someone wants us to join a petition against this AZ law that has everyone up at arms? Yeah, ok. Now let's get back to the product roadmap."
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Bigot - you're an embarrassment to religion on ALL levels...you need help. (randallking)
Further, if we read God's word with a detailed eye we'll notice that he said "it is abomination" to lie with mankind as with womankind. He didn't say of eating shellfish that "it is abomination". He said *to the nation of Israel that "it shall be an abomination unto you". It was an abomination *to them*, not to me as a Gentile. But he never said homosexuality "shall be an abomination to you", speaking of them specifically. He just said "it is abomination" period.
God doesn't make mistakes, though I do daily.
And you don't believe that anything was lost in translation between the original text of bible and its various English translations? After all, it was humans who translated the text and humans are capable of mistakes.
Taking literal meaning from a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation is very dangerous.
Not to be picky and I am trying to be tactful here, but how can you ask for 'facts' and stand behind faith , the two things are quite different.
Good one. The hilarious thing about bible thumpers is how they can prove anything they want by flip flopping between the old and new Testament. If is says it's up in one it sure as heck will say it's down in the other somewhere.
Because I'm an individual, not a news reporting company. News reporting companies should strive to be unbiased. Individuals are entitled to personal opinions/beliefs.
I don't believe for one minute that any of God's words were lost.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalm 12:6-7)
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." (Luke 21:33)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God…" (II Timothy 3:16)
All *scripture* *is* given by inspiration of God, not "all original manuscripts were given…"
If I believed that portions here and portions there were lost or mistranslated, then I might as well reject the whole thing. After all, how would I know what was really God's word and what wasn't? "Scholars?"
I believe in the power of God to override the feebleness of man in keeping his word for us to have today.
I don't believe for one minute that any of God's words were lost.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalm 12:6-7)
"Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." (Luke 21:33)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God…" (II Timothy 3:16)
All *scripture* *is* given by inspiration of God, not "all original manuscripts were given…"
If I believed that portions here and portions there were lost or mistranslated, then I might as well reject the whole thing. After all, how would I know what was really God's word and what wasn't? "Scholars?"
I believe in the power of God to override the feebleness of man in keeping his word for us to have today.
When someone claims that all scripture is God-given and immaculate, ignoring the fact that there are countless different translations of the Bible and even different versions of the original manuscripts, it becomes impossible to have any sort of rational argument.
I don't disagree with the basic premise you make in this reply (not the first post you made with which I disagree) but it is too oversimplified. IMHO a centrist, balanced news organization should have standards from which to establish where bias and non biased meet and where the line is. This should be established by societal norms. Sadly, currently the USA is in such a state of polarization between science versus myth, equality versus inequality and so on I doubt any new organization can find that line.
You are exactly right. You can't and we shouldn't try. We are all being sucked into the same thing that happens when you open the door and try to argue with a neat looking guy in a suit from Salt lake City. It's pointless and they love to argue and don't actually think about what they parrot. This is the origin of trolling when you think about it!
I don't believe for one minute that any of God's words were lost.
"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." (Psalm 12:6-7)
3 Peter 17 ~ "And let he who is blinded by faith use undreamed of technological advances to preach the words of 2000 year old illiterate, superstitious camel herders."AppleInsider, I would have preferred that you speak with a less biased voice in your writing. Please just report the facts instead of taking sides.
That said, I stand with the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, who calls homosexuality an abomination in his holy scriptures.
Nevertheless, I expect a news site to report facts and not lace it with personal feelings, either toward the side I hold or to the other.
Take a long walk off a short pier.
Please, AppleInsider, stay away from politics. I would love it if Apple just stayed away from it too.
Since Politics affects society fundamentally and a company like Apple and it's employees operate within society and form an intrinsic part of it, your wish is impractical at best.
Could it be that what you really meant, was that you would rather a company with the significant influence Apple obviously has, would not seek to oppose something you personally approve of?
Just a theory, of course.
I guess you forgot this little bit of scripture.
Where sin abounds, grace abounds much more.
Bacchus loves you.
Hell, Bacchus loves everybody!
https://askdrbrown.org/portfolio/dr-browns-appearance-on-the-david-pakman-show-to-discuss-gay-censorship-and-the-redefinition-of-marriage/