I agree 8GB is way too low - in fact I question the logic of this product since without expandable memory, all this is really going to do is frustrate users over time and give many a poor experience of their first iPhone, probably driving them to a cheap android with a card slot next time.
Let's be real here - you could fill 8GB in a hour or two just by being a bit trigger happy with the video function.
FTR, that ("a cheap android with a card slot) is going to become a rarer bird itself. Google's not only discouraging phones with card slots going forward, they're also not in favor of large local storage at all... ...and while I couldn't find the recent article I read on this, it's a trend that's been in place, especially on the Nexus devices for some time.
Quote (emphasis supplied):
From Android Authority, 2012, quoting a spokesperson for Nexus devices:
As [Matias] Durate explains, “We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.”
Thus, Nexus devices don’t have MicroSD card slots. They are simply too old of a technology and apparently they confuse people. Many people probably wouldn’t mind this if there were better storage options.
While on the paleolithic data diet myself, i.e., I want my data in as few large consolidated chunks as possible - with, yes, cloud and physical backups, the trend is clear, and while 128 GB tablets make sense in positioning the iPad as a productivity device, I'm not sure we'll see 128 GB phones or 256 GB iPads this year or even for a while.
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Originally Posted by poppy10
This changes everything. Again.
Who would buy a crappy plastic 16GB Nexus 5 for £299 when you can get a cool iPhone 5C for just £130 more?
I'm always irked by posts dripping with first world myopia towards the parts of the world where £130 is not "just" a "little" more, but possibly several months salary....
...parts of the world where Apple's been trying to find its way without sacrificing its core business model ever since it became involved on a global scale with the advent of iDevices, btw...
...which is where some of this to-and-fro-ing on old models and prices is coming from.
Personally I'm surprised their cachet has already been as successful as it has been in getting people to spend a far higher percentage of their income on Apple devices than people do in the US when quite adequate/serviceable devices like the Moto G and lots of Asian brands not common here are available at a fraction of the price.
The iPhone 5C is Apple's epitome of failure - in other words, the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world No price decrease is gonna change that.
Is all the 5C hate that people come up with just a new way of mocking the detractors and I missed the memo? Because it’s confusing to think anyone actually believes this or anything else about the 5C.
Here’s what we know about the iPhone 5C:
It is not designed, marketed, or sold as a cheap-model phone. It is not designed, marketed, or sold as a phone for emerging markets. Nor any of the other variations on the theme.
It sells better than the iPhone 4S, its predecessor, in the same yearslot.
Apple has stated that sales were not in line with what they expected. Not higher, not lower, just not in line.
Here’s what we can extrapolate from that:
It is not a failure from a sales perspective. We can say this because as the phone is not designed, marketed, or sold as a ‘cheap’ or ‘emerging’ model, nor is it as any separate model of any sort, it can be easily compared with the known predecessor in its cost slot. As said predecessor sold fewer models than the 5C, it has not failed.
Its customers find its features and use case to be in line with those of the iPhone 4S in its second year, and as such may or may not represent the aforementioned category anyway. Never mind that the 4S is still on sale, cheaper, and you don’t hear a soul whining about that being too expensive.
Here’s what we can guess:
Apple is disappointed by its sales, but the magnitude of such disappointment is–and may always be–unknown to us.
If said disappointment is great, Apple has failed themselves only, as they were too incompetent to create a product differentiated enough to be a new category. I do not believe this. They’re not Steve, but they’re not idiots.
If said disappointment is small, Apple is simply tempering Wall Street’s rape of AAPL by distinguishing just how small. We all know what happens when Apple predicts 10 million and sells 9,999,999.
^ That is a great post TS. Well, reasoned. Did you ruminate on that? (I like that word, ruminate)
Nope. Stream of consciousness. Some of my best writing is when I’m furious. I don’t have a clue why, but I get better at articulating points when I’m upset. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
I just read the quoted post (from a man on the street, obviously not troll, etc.) and I dunno, one too many? It might just be me. I think I may have said before that I think I can draw conclusions more easily than other people, so a lot of things seem obvious to me that aren’t to them. I forget that, just like everything else that once was who I am, and am often shorter with people than I should be, I guess. Anyway, the above is just spelling out how I see things; it all just flashes by in my head so quickly that I don’t ever have to stop and think to see it like that. Imagine what I could do if my memory still worked. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
If I'm a parent I'm giving my child this product. I'm not buying an iPhone 5S or iPhone 5C with 16/32/64 GB. Sorry, but the kid needs a way to contact me, find themselves around, get their homework assignments, but not to piss my money down the drain filling it up with games and videos, etc.
Why would you give your child a phone with limited storage so they're dependent on cloud services and an expensive data plan to to make the most of it?
Let's be real by looking at what I actually do: I've had my 16 GB iPhone 5 for 15 months, and still have 9.7 GB empty on it. So, to be "real" about it, I could easily have gotten along with an 8 GB 5c and had zero impact on my life, except the savings in money.
And to be "real" about it some more, you're one example and not a terribly representative one. My point still remains - say you're a new parent, you buy this and realise it takes good video of your baby, you could be maxing out the entire phone in an hour or two. It might work out ok for a few like you that don't actually make use of their phone, but for many others it will be a major PITA.
Why would you give your child a phone with limited storage so they're dependent on cloud services and an expensive data plan to to make the most of it?
Because you’re forced to have the data plan in the first place, so you’re not paying any more than you otherwise would (and in fact are paying less).
Originally Posted by petri
…say you’re a new parent, you buy this and realize it takes good video of your baby…
And now you’ve learned one of the many lessons of being a parent: BUY AN ACTUAL CAMCORDER. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
“Thanks, Dad; I was only worth an iPhone’s sensor.”
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">^ That is a great post TS. Well, reasoned. Did you ruminate on that? (I like that word,</span>
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Nope. Stream of consciousness. Some of my best writing is when I’m furious. I don’t have a clue why, but I get better at articulating points when I’m upset.
I just read the quoted post (from a man on the street, obviously not troll, etc.) and I dunno, one too many? It might just be me. I think I may have said before that I think I can draw conclusions more easily than other people, so a lot of things seem obvious to me that aren’t to them. I forget that, just like everything else that once was who I am, and am often shorter with people than I should be, I guess. Anyway, the above is just spelling out how I see things; it all just flashes by in my head so quickly that I don’t ever have to stop and think to see it like that. Imagine what I could do if my memory still worked.
Good luck with your memory; sorry to hear this. Maybe this whole quick thinking is a side effect to Alzheimer's? So for good reason? Dunno, best to you.
Oh, I say that jokingly. I don’t actually know yet, but it fits some of the symptoms. It’s a more effective diagnosis than “nothing medically wrong with you” at any rate.
They just announced the 8GB 5C..... how can they have produced "many more than needed".... already?
Maybe the 8GB models are 16GB and higher models they had lying round? It is a plausible suggestion ... It's a good decision on what to do with unwanted stock. Downgrade it and sell it at a lower price to cut your losses.
Maybe the 8GB models are 16GB and higher models they had lying round? It is a plausible suggestion ... It's a good decision on what to do with unwanted stock. Downgrade it and sell it at a lower price to cut your losses.
That would only add to the manufacturing cost making the price drop even worse.
Maybe that's what happened! I mean IF they have lots of unwanted stock what are they going to do with it?
Then lower the price of the current stock. Converting a 8 GB from a 16 GB costs money, so that 8GB cost them more to manufacture, and it's going to be sold for less than before it was converted. That doesn't make financial sense.
What it the 8Gb models are actually left over 16Gb models with only 8Gb enabled in software? They wouldn't be so cynical would they? I'm sure someone will do a tear down of one to check!
That would be smart, they would be offloading stock while protecting the brand image and saving face by not appearing to discount. By making the 16Gb model only a bit more they might actually increase sales of the %c 16Gb (the same way the 5c probably increased sales of the 5s)
They're smarter than most people give them credit for
And yet for the same timeframe it sold more than the previous second tier iPhones.
i.e.: nonsense.
That it hasn't sold as many as the 5s is the plan.
If you and Tallest Skil REALLY believe that Apple has launched a different (and crappy, unimpressive etc.) iPhone model JUST to drive sales to the 5S, then I definitely need to have some of the same hallucinogen you guys are taking.
As Apple itself admitted, "sales were not in line", a.k.a., "sorry, we've screwed up"...nothing else can be understood from their own admission of failure - the launch of a cheaper 8GB model is just a way of quietly discontinuing it in the next months. Alas, the outcome could not have been different, particularly since the 5C price was, from the outset, almost the same as the 5S's AND had zero positive impact in emerging markets (because people buy them in instalments anyway) or poorer strata of the US population.
If you and Tallest Skil REALLY believe that Apple has launched a different (and crappy, unimpressive etc.) iPhone model JUST to drive sales to the 5S, then I definitely need to have some of the same hallucinogen you guys are taking.
As Apple itself admitted, "sales were not in line", a.k.a., "sorry, we've screwed up"...nothing else can be understood from their own admission of failure - the launch of a cheaper 8GB model is just a way of quietly discontinuing it in the next months. Alas, the outcome could not have been different, particularly since the 5C price was, from the outset, almost the same as the 5S's AND had zero positive impact in emerging markets (because people buy them in instalments anyway) or poorer strata of the US population.
Not "drive" at all (and I never used the words "JUST to drive" so that's simply your distortion right?): the 5c had a place in the product lineup and it wasn't to be the premier selling phone for Apple, just a China Mobile compatible "5" which would, as has been Apple's custom, taking over that second tier slot, like the 4 did for the 4s and the 4s did for the 5: the need to make the two top phones CM compatible opened the window to a different design and they took it... the 5 is gone right? because the 5c was put in that slot.
"Sales were not in line": yes, the 5s was more popular in their sales mix than they anticipated: having listened at least a little to that "Cheap will be the next blockbuster" analysts meme. Selling more of the higher margin product is rarely seen as 'screwing up' I would suggest.
The hallucinations were people who saw the 5c as the savior which would launch iPhone sales to triple digit increases in sales numbers and then proclaimed the 5c was a "flop" when, lo and behold, the flagship phone, the 5s, retained the top spot in sales. The 5 wasn't (isn't) a "crappy" phone and that's essentially what the 5c is. No more than the 4s became "crappy" when it was relegated to the second slot, or the 4.... etc.
Were you to hold that the 5c was intended to compete with the 5s I'd suggest a rethink. The pricing was the usual price spacing so their tier selection was as usual.
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I agree 8GB is way too low - in fact I question the logic of this product since without expandable memory, all this is really going to do is frustrate users over time and give many a poor experience of their first iPhone, probably driving them to a cheap android with a card slot next time.
Let's be real here - you could fill 8GB in a hour or two just by being a bit trigger happy with the video function.
FTR, that ("a cheap android with a card slot) is going to become a rarer bird itself. Google's not only discouraging phones with card slots going forward, they're also not in favor of large local storage at all... ...and while I couldn't find the recent article I read on this, it's a trend that's been in place, especially on the Nexus devices for some time.
From Android Authority, 2012, quoting a spokesperson for Nexus devices:
As [Matias] Durate explains, “We take a different approach. Your Nexus has a fixed amount of space and your apps just seamlessly use it for you without you ever having to worry about files or volumes or any of that techy nonsense left over from the paleolithic era of computing.”
Thus, Nexus devices don’t have MicroSD card slots. They are simply too old of a technology and apparently they confuse people. Many people probably wouldn’t mind this if there were better storage options.
http://www.androidauthority.com/matias-duarte-tablet-ui-nexus-sd-card-127140/
While on the paleolithic data diet myself, i.e., I want my data in as few large consolidated chunks as possible - with, yes, cloud and physical backups, the trend is clear, and while 128 GB tablets make sense in positioning the iPad as a productivity device, I'm not sure we'll see 128 GB phones or 256 GB iPads this year or even for a while.
This changes everything. Again.
Who would buy a crappy plastic 16GB Nexus 5 for £299 when you can get a cool iPhone 5C for just £130 more?
I'm always irked by posts dripping with first world myopia towards the parts of the world where £130 is not "just" a "little" more, but possibly several months salary....
...parts of the world where Apple's been trying to find its way without sacrificing its core business model ever since it became involved on a global scale with the advent of iDevices, btw...
...which is where some of this to-and-fro-ing on old models and prices is coming from.
Personally I'm surprised their cachet has already been as successful as it has been in getting people to spend a far higher percentage of their income on Apple devices than people do in the US when quite adequate/serviceable devices like the Moto G and lots of Asian brands not common here are available at a fraction of the price.
The iPhone 5C is Apple's epitome of failure - in other words, the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world
No price decrease is gonna change that.
Is all the 5C hate that people come up with just a new way of mocking the detractors and I missed the memo? Because it’s confusing to think anyone actually believes this or anything else about the 5C.
Here’s what we know about the iPhone 5C:
Here’s what we can extrapolate from that:
Here’s what we can guess:
Nope. Stream of consciousness. Some of my best writing is when I’m furious. I don’t have a clue why, but I get better at articulating points when I’m upset.
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I just read the quoted post (from a man on the street, obviously not troll, etc.) and I dunno, one too many? It might just be me. I think I may have said before that I think I can draw conclusions more easily than other people, so a lot of things seem obvious to me that aren’t to them. I forget that, just like everything else that once was who I am, and am often shorter with people than I should be, I guess. Anyway, the above is just spelling out how I see things; it all just flashes by in my head so quickly that I don’t ever have to stop and think to see it like that. Imagine what I could do if my memory still worked.
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Why would you give your child a phone with limited storage so they're dependent on cloud services and an expensive data plan to to make the most of it?
And to be "real" about it some more, you're one example and not a terribly representative one. My point still remains - say you're a new parent, you buy this and realise it takes good video of your baby, you could be maxing out the entire phone in an hour or two. It might work out ok for a few like you that don't actually make use of their phone, but for many others it will be a major PITA.
Because you’re forced to have the data plan in the first place, so you’re not paying any more than you otherwise would (and in fact are paying less).
And now you’ve learned one of the many lessons of being a parent: BUY AN ACTUAL CAMCORDER.
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“Thanks, Dad; I was only worth an iPhone’s sensor.”
i would not want my kids to be able to blow thru cash to fill a phone. I think its a great option for people who want a smartphone
Good luck with your memory; sorry to hear this. Maybe this whole quick thinking is a side effect to Alzheimer's? So for good reason? Dunno, best to you.
Oh, I say that jokingly. I don’t actually know yet, but it fits some of the symptoms. It’s a more effective diagnosis than “nothing medically wrong with you” at any rate.
It's got 'rum' in it, what's not to like?
That would only add to the manufacturing cost making the price drop even worse.
The iPhone 5C is Apple's epitome of failure - in other words, the IIvx/IIvi of the iPhone world
No price decrease is gonna change that.
And yet for the same timeframe it sold more than the previous second tier iPhones.
i.e.: nonsense.
That it hasn't sold as many as the 5s is the plan.
Then lower the price of the current stock. Converting a 8 GB from a 16 GB costs money, so that 8GB cost them more to manufacture, and it's going to be sold for less than before it was converted. That doesn't make financial sense.
What it the 8Gb models are actually left over 16Gb models with only 8Gb enabled in software? They wouldn't be so cynical would they? I'm sure someone will do a tear down of one to check!
That would be smart, they would be offloading stock while protecting the brand image and saving face by not appearing to discount. By making the 16Gb model only a bit more they might actually increase sales of the %c 16Gb (the same way the 5c probably increased sales of the 5s)
They're smarter than most people give them credit for
And yet for the same timeframe it sold more than the previous second tier iPhones.
i.e.: nonsense.
That it hasn't sold as many as the 5s is the plan.
If you and Tallest Skil REALLY believe that Apple has launched a different (and crappy, unimpressive etc.) iPhone model JUST to drive sales to the 5S, then I definitely need to have some of the same hallucinogen you guys are taking.
As Apple itself admitted, "sales were not in line", a.k.a., "sorry, we've screwed up"...nothing else can be understood from their own admission of failure - the launch of a cheaper 8GB model is just a way of quietly discontinuing it in the next months. Alas, the outcome could not have been different, particularly since the 5C price was, from the outset, almost the same as the 5S's AND had zero positive impact in emerging markets (because people buy them in instalments anyway) or poorer strata of the US population.
If you and Tallest Skil REALLY believe that Apple has launched a different (and crappy, unimpressive etc.) iPhone model JUST to drive sales to the 5S, then I definitely need to have some of the same hallucinogen you guys are taking.
As Apple itself admitted, "sales were not in line", a.k.a., "sorry, we've screwed up"...nothing else can be understood from their own admission of failure - the launch of a cheaper 8GB model is just a way of quietly discontinuing it in the next months. Alas, the outcome could not have been different, particularly since the 5C price was, from the outset, almost the same as the 5S's AND had zero positive impact in emerging markets (because people buy them in instalments anyway) or poorer strata of the US population.
Not "drive" at all (and I never used the words "JUST to drive" so that's simply your distortion right?): the 5c had a place in the product lineup and it wasn't to be the premier selling phone for Apple, just a China Mobile compatible "5" which would, as has been Apple's custom, taking over that second tier slot, like the 4 did for the 4s and the 4s did for the 5: the need to make the two top phones CM compatible opened the window to a different design and they took it... the 5 is gone right? because the 5c was put in that slot.
"Sales were not in line": yes, the 5s was more popular in their sales mix than they anticipated: having listened at least a little to that "Cheap will be the next blockbuster" analysts meme. Selling more of the higher margin product is rarely seen as 'screwing up' I would suggest.
The hallucinations were people who saw the 5c as the savior which would launch iPhone sales to triple digit increases in sales numbers and then proclaimed the 5c was a "flop" when, lo and behold, the flagship phone, the 5s, retained the top spot in sales. The 5 wasn't (isn't) a "crappy" phone and that's essentially what the 5c is. No more than the 4s became "crappy" when it was relegated to the second slot, or the 4.... etc.
Were you to hold that the 5c was intended to compete with the 5s I'd suggest a rethink. The pricing was the usual price spacing so their tier selection was as usual.
Your words. My mouth. Keep ‘em out.