That's really disgusting on Apple's part. Why do they feel compelled to act as the carrier's police when Android doesn't? Nice way to drive customers away to Android.
If this was truly deliberate removal by Apple, it was a really a poor decision to favor service providers over existing customers. This just gives one more reason to choose an Android phone over an iPhone and supports the argument that Apple does not provide enough flexibility to users.
Bwaaaa haa.
Customer: Say tell me how to upgrade my android phone to 4.4. I just got it last year.
Carrier: sorry, we may release an update in 6 months but what you really want is a new phone.
That's really disgusting on Apple's part. Why do they feel compelled to act as the carrier's police when Android doesn't? Nice way to drive customers away to Android.
Quit your whining. This will not drive people to Android, and since Android doesn't allow it either, you're either misinformed or trolling.
The way I look at it, anyone that has been abusing using this feature for all this time should be considered lucky for being able to do it as long as they have been. You know you shouldn't be doing it, but entitled-people seem to thing that once they get a free-pass, it's their birthright.
That's completely bogus. There's no legal way some operator can forbid tethering via fineprint, if you pay for a regular data service you may use it in any way. If in doubt buy a MiFi device... It's really painful to see Apple participate in such shady behaviour.
Apple does not even always permit tethering if it is clearly allowed by the carrier.
No idea why they purposefully restrict their own devices but they do.
Giffgaff UK, a MVNO using the O2 network, allows tethering, yet, as Apple refuses to give them their own carrier file and designation, it is not possible to activate the personal hotspot.
Android users on giffgaff can tether while Apple users can not.
If I pay for 1gb of data I should be able to use that 1gb however I want. I appreciate that it is the carriers that put the block in place but it's a disgusting way to screw your customers over.
Agreed. It's like the water company charging you not only for the amount of water you use, but how many faucets and toilets you have in your house.
Tethering charges should be illegal. Period.
Sorry it's more like you own two houses and you want to avoid the minimum meter charge on the 2nd house, so you connect the water and sewer lines between the two.
And if the company wrote their financial model to include selling as many direct connects,mifi devices and USB wireless dongles, why shouldn't they seek contractual protection of that revenue stream.
And should Apple risk the deep pocket penalty for not doing right by the contracts they sign with carrier? No.
Nothing to see here but people entering into service agreements they felt no reason to comply with and want apple to take their scofflaw side.
Failing moving away from the US are there actually carriers in the States that allow Personal Hotspot? I'd suggest fixing the problem by going to the carrier that allows it to happen.
Yes, Darryn Lowe, the 3 major carriers do allow it. It's part of their data plan, and those are the three which Apple offers on their website (AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon). It's the discount and PAYG carriers (and a handful of smaller regional carriers) that prohibit tethering. Though I hesitate to classify StraightTalk a minor carrier, since they're sold by Walmart, and owned by the massive TracFone (a company I believe is based in Mexico).
That's completely bogus. There's no legal way some operator can forbid tethering via fineprint, if you pay for a regular data service you may use it in any way. If in doubt buy a MiFi device... It's really painful to see Apple participate in such shady behaviour.
I don't know what country you're in, prof, but in the USA a contract is a contract, and it includes the fine print (Terms of Service). Which in the case of at least StraightTalk, expressly forbids tethering (despite the advertised "unlimited data"). See my post above. I agree it is unpleasant, but that is why I do not buy service from that carrier. I get what I pay for.
I did not read all the responses, but for those complaining about Apple doing this, I hope your realize the only reasons this worked is someone figure out a hack to the hotspot preference file which required you to use external file editing tool to go in and change the settings to make this work. Apple just fix something this should have never worked in the past. I was looking at this hack since it did not require a jailbreak and buying a third party app.
With that said, I am all about you should be allowed to you the connection how you like, if you pay for 10GB you should be able to send 10GB of any type of data weather form a phone or another device.
We just switch our account with AT&T to the new family data plan which gives you ability to use your phone for a hotspot without paying extra. AT&T now seem like they do not care anymore how you use your data under the new plan. Yes it works I tested it on all 3 idevices we have on the plan.
I just love the guy you complained about failing his class, really is Apple fault you hack your phone then upgrade and had no clue they disable your hot spot. There is a person who will grow up to be a responsible adult for his own actions.
For those still on unlimited data plan with AT&T, they told me and showed me that if you go over 3GB in a month they will throttle your throughput, When I was in the store the associate show us our usage and how we were using our phones and for what kind of data we were using. AT&T know what people are doing so unlimited is not really unlimited anymore and I seen the slow down.
Gotta love people who blame their failures on Apple. You failed an exam? Your own fucking fault for negligence, not Apple's.
People like those who's provider is Straight Talk, hmm? Because of weirdness with their carrier profile, data never works properly unless you manually change the APN settings. In the past, this wasn't an issue, but with 7.1 those settings revert back to default, which disables ANY data, as well as MMS. It's not just Straight Talk, either, as many MVNO's have this issue. Android users have full access to their cellular network settings, whereas Apple users do not, because who knows. I understand locking out tethering, but not disabling access to network settings.
a carrier-branded+restricted 4.4 will not tether out of the box, but this can be defeated
a sim-free 4.4 phone will tether freely
He was right. KitKat does the same thing iOS7.1 does: Disables tethering unless permitted by your carrier. You are also correct tho that it doesn't appear to be hard to workaround with T-Mo bypasses already posted on some Android sites. Still he was correct that the old backdoor tethering was officially closed by 4.4.
Sorry it's more like you own two houses and you want to avoid the minimum meter charge on the 2nd house, so you connect the water and sewer lines between the two.
"Minimum meter charge" is an analogy that has exactly no application to the situation being discussed.
People like those who's provider is Straight Talk, hmm? Because of weirdness with their carrier profile, data never works properly unless you manually change the APN settings. In the past, this wasn't an issue, but with 7.1 those settings revert back to default, which disables ANY data, as well as MMS. It's not just Straight Talk, either, as many MVNO's have this issue. Android users have full access to their cellular network settings, whereas Apple users do not, because who knows. I understand locking out tethering, but not disabling access to network settings.
That's it. Either give all MVNOs their own carrier file or users the ability to edit.
That's really disgusting on Apple's part. Why do they feel compelled to act as the carrier's police when Android doesn't? Nice way to drive customers away to Android.
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How dare Apple lock the back door!
Bwaaaa haa.
Customer: Say tell me how to upgrade my android phone to 4.4. I just got it last year.
Carrier: sorry, we may release an update in 6 months but what you really want is a new phone.
Take it up with your carrier, then.
That's really disgusting on Apple's part. Why do they feel compelled to act as the carrier's police when Android doesn't? Nice way to drive customers away to Android.
Quit your whining. This will not drive people to Android, and since Android doesn't allow it either, you're either misinformed or trolling.
The way I look at it, anyone that has been abusing using this feature for all this time should be considered lucky for being able to do it as long as they have been. You know you shouldn't be doing it, but entitled-people seem to thing that once they get a free-pass, it's their birthright.
Wrong.
Take it up with your carrier, then.
Yes, I'm sure that will do the trick.
No idea why they purposefully restrict their own devices but they do.
Giffgaff UK, a MVNO using the O2 network, allows tethering, yet, as Apple refuses to give them their own carrier file and designation, it is not possible to activate the personal hotspot.
Android users on giffgaff can tether while Apple users can not.
Sorry it's more like you own two houses and you want to avoid the minimum meter charge on the 2nd house, so you connect the water and sewer lines between the two.
And if the company wrote their financial model to include selling as many direct connects,mifi devices and USB wireless dongles, why shouldn't they seek contractual protection of that revenue stream.
And should Apple risk the deep pocket penalty for not doing right by the contracts they sign with carrier? No.
Nothing to see here but people entering into service agreements they felt no reason to comply with and want apple to take their scofflaw side.
You're incorrect. Android 4.4 does not permit any unauthorized tethering.
no, you're incorrect
a carrier-branded+restricted 4.4 will not tether out of the box, but this can be defeated
a sim-free 4.4 phone will tether freely
Failing moving away from the US are there actually carriers in the States that allow Personal Hotspot? I'd suggest fixing the problem by going to the carrier that allows it to happen.
Yes, Darryn Lowe, the 3 major carriers do allow it. It's part of their data plan, and those are the three which Apple offers on their website (AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon). It's the discount and PAYG carriers (and a handful of smaller regional carriers) that prohibit tethering. Though I hesitate to classify StraightTalk a minor carrier, since they're sold by Walmart, and owned by the massive TracFone (a company I believe is based in Mexico).
Which phone is SIM free?
That's completely bogus. There's no legal way some operator can forbid tethering via fineprint, if you pay for a regular data service you may use it in any way. If in doubt buy a MiFi device... It's really painful to see Apple participate in such shady behaviour.
I don't know what country you're in, prof, but in the USA a contract is a contract, and it includes the fine print (Terms of Service). Which in the case of at least StraightTalk, expressly forbids tethering (despite the advertised "unlimited data"). See my post above. I agree it is unpleasant, but that is why I do not buy service from that carrier. I get what I pay for.
I did not read all the responses, but for those complaining about Apple doing this, I hope your realize the only reasons this worked is someone figure out a hack to the hotspot preference file which required you to use external file editing tool to go in and change the settings to make this work. Apple just fix something this should have never worked in the past. I was looking at this hack since it did not require a jailbreak and buying a third party app.
With that said, I am all about you should be allowed to you the connection how you like, if you pay for 10GB you should be able to send 10GB of any type of data weather form a phone or another device.
We just switch our account with AT&T to the new family data plan which gives you ability to use your phone for a hotspot without paying extra. AT&T now seem like they do not care anymore how you use your data under the new plan. Yes it works I tested it on all 3 idevices we have on the plan.
I just love the guy you complained about failing his class, really is Apple fault you hack your phone then upgrade and had no clue they disable your hot spot. There is a person who will grow up to be a responsible adult for his own actions.
For those still on unlimited data plan with AT&T, they told me and showed me that if you go over 3GB in a month they will throttle your throughput, When I was in the store the associate show us our usage and how we were using our phones and for what kind of data we were using. AT&T know what people are doing so unlimited is not really unlimited anymore and I seen the slow down.
Gotta love people who blame their failures on Apple. You failed an exam? Your own fucking fault for negligence, not Apple's.
People like those who's provider is Straight Talk, hmm? Because of weirdness with their carrier profile, data never works properly unless you manually change the APN settings. In the past, this wasn't an issue, but with 7.1 those settings revert back to default, which disables ANY data, as well as MMS. It's not just Straight Talk, either, as many MVNO's have this issue. Android users have full access to their cellular network settings, whereas Apple users do not, because who knows. I understand locking out tethering, but not disabling access to network settings.
He was right. KitKat does the same thing iOS7.1 does: Disables tethering unless permitted by your carrier. You are also correct tho that it doesn't appear to be hard to workaround with T-Mo bypasses already posted on some Android sites. Still he was correct that the old backdoor tethering was officially closed by 4.4.
Sorry it's more like you own two houses and you want to avoid the minimum meter charge on the 2nd house, so you connect the water and sewer lines between the two.
"Minimum meter charge" is an analogy that has exactly no application to the situation being discussed.
That's it. Either give all MVNOs their own carrier file or users the ability to edit.
That's really disgusting on Apple's part. Why do they feel compelled to act as the carrier's police when Android doesn't? Nice way to drive customers away to Android.
Grow up and be responsible.