But I was always told by Android fanboys that iOS devices are just toys? What gives?!?
I know, right? I mean, theirs is the platform represented by a green cartoon robot. Theirs is the one with the app store called Play. Theirs is the one that lets you create cute little avatars that look like their green cartoon robot mascot.
Thanks, but I'll stick with Pages, Keynote, and Numbers.
I was a big Page and Numbers fan (never used Keynote) but the last iteration sucks so bad... even my wife said WTF and she used to like Pages.
I'd be willing to give it a try at least... perhaps it will get Apple back on track with a professional level spreadsheet and not 'Scratch pad for iOS' that Numbers has devolved into... especially the OSX versions...
Sounds like the Office cash cow doesn't want to lose business and their near-monopoly to support the Mobile group. In that respect, this is quite wise.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Suddenly everyone is </span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">unable to afford the $99 subscription fee. </span>
The issue is the subscription model itself.... Office 2010 Home & Student Edition is £60 on amazon - yes it's getting old now but it still does everything I could ever need from office for a 1 off payment and it is likely to be compatible for many years to come. Why on earth would I want to swap that one off payment for a £79.99 a year subscription where the price and terms can change at a moments notice when Microsoft decide they deserve more money?
Interesting! Auto-renewable subscriptions are not allowed for services or apps in App Store. At least for all other developers.…but maybe Microsoft has made a special deal with Apple. Bad for other developers though!
/ Påhl
My Slacker Radio app has an auto-renewable subscription. ???
For the complainers of the subscription model calm down and look at it rationally. I'm going to use New Zealand dollars here because that's where I live.
Office Professional costs $859. This is the ONLY version of Office that comes on par with Office 365 Home Premium.
Office 365 Home Premium costs $165 / year so divide $859 by $165 and you will get 5.2 years worth of use for the price you've paid for Office Pro.
But it's worse than that for old Office Pro. Office Pro can only be installed on 1 PC meaning to fill the 5 licenses of Office 365 you would have to spend $4295.
So how many years of Office 365 usage would you get for that price? 26 years and during that time you'd be getting all the updates that comes with Office 365 whereas with Office Pro you only ever get that one version.
You can rail on the subscription rate all you want but the fact remains there is ridiculous amounts of value for money under the subscription rates rather than buying outright.
I know that MS Office products are the leaders in companies, and some home customers. hell, I use it. (MS OFFICE 2011 Mac edition just to be clean on that). Here are my notes:
1. No internet, no work. So ready to pay a lot of data services. I hope that you can work with it offline until you have a signal or wifi so you can sync your document. believe me with i tell you, ...ready to go and get your wallet.
2. still not out.
3. There are apps like iWork's that do the same, and it is free for the most and a small price to get for other users. I did not have the time to do the iWork's apps on the ipad, but a friend of mine use it everyday on the Ipad Air and he is happy. There are some apps there, that do the same thing and are excellent for the most, for free. Remember the app that google purchase a year ago? i did use that so much on my travels to china that I need to carry my charger with me and all where store on my Ipad.
4. I need to check if you need a MS account. most probably do. Since in order to use Skype in windows 8.1 you need a MS account and merge with it. Not in a million years. and a new email no way. I have a few already.
5. And pay a subscription no way. If Ms tell me that you can have a portion of the office on my ipad, installed, work with it, and print, safe my data for a $$ of cash, then that is to consider and i could get it. They are a software company. that is what they do best.
So.... get my the point!
1: WRONG. OneDrive works like DropBox. The apps have desktop versions and so do not require an internet connection to always be on.
2: Yes it is
3: I agree but Apple's business is hardware so software they sell cheap to get people buying their hardware. Microsoft makes money selling software not hardware so cost is kind of understandable.
4: Yes you need a Live account but that doesn't necessarily mean another e-mail address. My Live account is tied to my iCloud account.
5: Sounds bad but see my previous post.
I personally do not use MS products on my Mac except Windows 8.1 in a Parallels VM due to software I need to run at the office. I'm not a lover of MS but I do feel people aren't giving them a chance. MS is trying to move on from the idiot running the show before hand. I think MS is going to be very Mac friendly in the future so give them a chance.
My Slacker Radio app has an auto-renewable subscription. ???
Did you register for the subscription within the app itself or via a web page?
Apple is very specific in the developer agreement about auto renewable subscriptions only being allowed for content-based subscriptions like digital magazines. There are countless of developers who have had their apps rejected because of this restriction. To offer subscriptions of services/apps/features through the App Store you have to use in app purchases of separate months or years of a kind-of-subscription. But it cannot be auto renewable.
As a developer I would be *very* happy if Apple were to change this restriction—for all developers, that is.
Hi Darryn thanks for some corrections. And you are right. For some work i do, i need office 2010 to use on the servers 2003. since new office will not change current platforms. They will preferred to create a close intranet. But yes you are correct. I will check that. But on the bottom line, another app is responsable to make the saving. I still have to check that. thanks Man!. +carlosdebernard
I feel like the tide just turned, and Microsoft had to give in... Go apple!
Had they released this 3-4 years ago instead of thinking they could capitalize on Office's popularity by selling some atrocity named a "Surface", they might have made some serious money.
Instead, all they will get is one giant *yawn*
Knowing the quirkiness of office apps and their history of cross version and cross platform issues of the last is seems almost certain that there are going to be a lot of bugs for quite a while in this app suite.
We have all hated being forced to use MS products for so long that most of us have said enough is enough and bailed on MS products. once we had the chance.
Eh...I'll stick with iWork. Its free and works just as well.
Not quite as well. I'll stick with Apple's suite of apps and take a miss on MS's subscription model.
But it would be nice if Apple brought the iOS apps into better synch with the OS X apps. I hate it when I'm told, "Some features will not be supported on iOS . . ."
For that matter, it would be nice if Numbers (of any version) was useful for more than just low level stuff. It chokes on anything more complex than the most elementary stuff. I like the ideas Apple has brought to spreadsheets though.
I'll be honest with you folks: Microsoft Office for the iPad isn't really that bad. Given this, here are my gripes: It would be crazy after owning a productivity suite that was at first inexpensive then free, that now offers a degree of free cloud storage, document collaboration and decent Office file compatibility (iWork) v.s. Pay a $100 yearly subscription (or slightly better if your company could give you a business subscription). However, if you got a mix of PCs and Macs like I do, since I can install Office on 5 machines, it's a good deal. Also, Microsoft Office might as well be like HFCS (LOL) ; it's everywhere. You can subsist without it, but it's tough. Maybe in the future, a majority of businesses will accept documents in other formats, but for now . . .
But I was always told by Android fanboys that iOS devices are just toys? What gives?!?
The IT guys at work we're updating my PC from XP to Windows 7. He pulled out an android phone and when asked why android he said Windows phones are crap and iPhones are just toys, but android phones are real computers. I said my iPhone has a better office suite, iWork, than anything you can get on android, and it will print to a wireless printer directly without printing through Google's services. He said well when I want to print I use a PC. I said I thought your android phone was a real computer. Silence from the IT guy.
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Thanks, but I'll stick with Pages, Keynote, and Numbers.
I'm sorry, but Numbers is horrid, IMO. Apple really dropped the ball on that one.
But I was always told by Android fanboys that iOS devices are just toys? What gives?!?
I know, right? I mean, theirs is the platform represented by a green cartoon robot. Theirs is the one with the app store called Play. Theirs is the one that lets you create cute little avatars that look like their green cartoon robot mascot.
Serious. Business.
Thanks, but I'll stick with Pages, Keynote, and Numbers.
I was a big Page and Numbers fan (never used Keynote) but the last iteration sucks so bad... even my wife said WTF and she used to like Pages.
I'd be willing to give it a try at least... perhaps it will get Apple back on track with a professional level spreadsheet and not 'Scratch pad for iOS' that Numbers has devolved into... especially the OSX versions...
Suddenly everyone is unable to afford the $99 subscription fee.
Although, if you're a student it costs $79 for 4 years.
Otherwise I'm amazed at the amount of hate this is getting.
The issue is the subscription model itself.... Office 2010 Home & Student Edition is £60 on amazon - yes it's getting old now but it still does everything I could ever need from office for a 1 off payment and it is likely to be compatible for many years to come. Why on earth would I want to swap that one off payment for a £79.99 a year subscription where the price and terms can change at a moments notice when Microsoft decide they deserve more money?
Interesting! Auto-renewable subscriptions are not allowed for services or apps in App Store. At least for all other developers.…but maybe Microsoft has made a special deal with Apple. Bad for other developers though!
/ Påhl
My Slacker Radio app has an auto-renewable subscription. ???
For the complainers of the subscription model calm down and look at it rationally. I'm going to use New Zealand dollars here because that's where I live.
Office Professional costs $859. This is the ONLY version of Office that comes on par with Office 365 Home Premium.
Office 365 Home Premium costs $165 / year so divide $859 by $165 and you will get 5.2 years worth of use for the price you've paid for Office Pro.
But it's worse than that for old Office Pro. Office Pro can only be installed on 1 PC meaning to fill the 5 licenses of Office 365 you would have to spend $4295.
So how many years of Office 365 usage would you get for that price? 26 years and during that time you'd be getting all the updates that comes with Office 365 whereas with Office Pro you only ever get that one version.
You can rail on the subscription rate all you want but the fact remains there is ridiculous amounts of value for money under the subscription rates rather than buying outright.
Suddenly everyone is unable to afford the $99 subscription fee.
Perhaps not unable but unwilling.
I know that MS Office products are the leaders in companies, and some home customers. hell, I use it. (MS OFFICE 2011 Mac edition just to be clean on that). Here are my notes:
1. No internet, no work. So ready to pay a lot of data services. I hope that you can work with it offline until you have a signal or wifi so you can sync your document. believe me with i tell you, ...ready to go and get your wallet.
2. still not out.
3. There are apps like iWork's that do the same, and it is free for the most and a small price to get for other users. I did not have the time to do the iWork's apps on the ipad, but a friend of mine use it everyday on the Ipad Air and he is happy. There are some apps there, that do the same thing and are excellent for the most, for free. Remember the app that google purchase a year ago? i did use that so much on my travels to china that I need to carry my charger with me and all where store on my Ipad.
4. I need to check if you need a MS account. most probably do. Since in order to use Skype in windows 8.1 you need a MS account and merge with it. Not in a million years. and a new email no way. I have a few already.
5. And pay a subscription no way. If Ms tell me that you can have a portion of the office on my ipad, installed, work with it, and print, safe my data for a $$ of cash, then that is to consider and i could get it. They are a software company. that is what they do best.
So.... get my the point!
1: WRONG. OneDrive works like DropBox. The apps have desktop versions and so do not require an internet connection to always be on.
2: Yes it is
3: I agree but Apple's business is hardware so software they sell cheap to get people buying their hardware. Microsoft makes money selling software not hardware so cost is kind of understandable.
4: Yes you need a Live account but that doesn't necessarily mean another e-mail address. My Live account is tied to my iCloud account.
5: Sounds bad but see my previous post.
I personally do not use MS products on my Mac except Windows 8.1 in a Parallels VM due to software I need to run at the office. I'm not a lover of MS but I do feel people aren't giving them a chance. MS is trying to move on from the idiot running the show before hand. I think MS is going to be very Mac friendly in the future so give them a chance.
Did you register for the subscription within the app itself or via a web page?
Apple is very specific in the developer agreement about auto renewable subscriptions only being allowed for content-based subscriptions like digital magazines. There are countless of developers who have had their apps rejected because of this restriction. To offer subscriptions of services/apps/features through the App Store you have to use in app purchases of separate months or years of a kind-of-subscription. But it cannot be auto renewable.
As a developer I would be *very* happy if Apple were to change this restriction—for all developers, that is.
/ Påhl
Hi Darryn thanks for some corrections. And you are right. For some work i do, i need office 2010 to use on the servers 2003. since new office will not change current platforms. They will preferred to create a close intranet. But yes you are correct. I will check that. But on the bottom line, another app is responsable to make the saving. I still have to check that. thanks Man!. +carlosdebernard
Had they released this 3-4 years ago instead of thinking they could capitalize on Office's popularity by selling some atrocity named a "Surface", they might have made some serious money.
Instead, all they will get is one giant *yawn*
We have all hated being forced to use MS products for so long that most of us have said enough is enough and bailed on MS products. once we had the chance.
Eh...I'll stick with iWork. Its free and works just as well.
Not quite as well. I'll stick with Apple's suite of apps and take a miss on MS's subscription model.
But it would be nice if Apple brought the iOS apps into better synch with the OS X apps. I hate it when I'm told, "Some features will not be supported on iOS . . ."
For that matter, it would be nice if Numbers (of any version) was useful for more than just low level stuff. It chokes on anything more complex than the most elementary stuff. I like the ideas Apple has brought to spreadsheets though.
The IT guys at work we're updating my PC from XP to Windows 7. He pulled out an android phone and when asked why android he said Windows phones are crap and iPhones are just toys, but android phones are real computers. I said my iPhone has a better office suite, iWork, than anything you can get on android, and it will print to a wireless printer directly without printing through Google's services. He said well when I want to print I use a PC. I said I thought your android phone was a real computer. Silence from the IT guy.