Updated Apple hardware is coming soon

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
What I've seen is preliminary but it is on good faith that I share this information. Updated hardware is imminent, but I do not pretend to have a date or release. I have some sketchy details however. Basically there are 2 different systems, one based on an MPC7450 variant made on a SOI process and the other is the first of the MPC8500 (G5) made on a .13 micron SOI manufacturing process. The 7450 is scaling to beyonf 1.0GHz but most motherboards have 866 and 1.0GHz versions. They are all on 133MHz system boards with the full complimet of divices that exist in modern systems, including ATA/66 and IEEE1394a ports. Some of the motherboards have 4 USB ports on the motherboard however, but this is not strange as the Quicksilver motherboards have the same provisions however Apple had not implimented that feature on those units. All systems are being sent with a full 2MB of L3 cache. No duals have been seeded.



The 8500 systems are encased in Quicksilver cases, however much of the internals have been moved and shifted around to provide adequate heat removal and space for component positioning. G5's have a 400 or 500MHz system bus that runs at a 16bit-wide data path. This is the RadipIO bus to a controller that controls most of the onboard peripherals such as AGP 4x (may be 8x docs are vague), 2 PCI busses, Gb Ethernet, IEEE1394b running at 800/1600Mbps, USB 1.1, an IDE interface, and some other system level peripherals. Audio is digital. Processor speeds are 1200/1250MHz to 1400/1500MHz. The processor has a memory controller included on die connected to the core by a 256bit memory bus running at one quarter the processor clock speed. The controller supports 2 memory bus but Apple only uses one so the internal width is cut to 128 bit at one quarter processor core speed. This provides more than enough bandwidth for PC2100 and the controller is designed to handle PC2700 memory although for Apple PC2100 is easier to design for because of motherboard considerations. To design for PC2700 they would need to cut support for a DIMM slot because the distance from the processor is more than allowed. This is the reason why the 133MHz motherboards only have 3 DIMM slots. The 2 PCI busses are 64bit with support for 66MHz slots. One bus controls 2 slots while the other controls the other 2. If you insert a 64bit/33MHz card in one slot, that whole bus will run at 33MHz even if the other card has 66MHz support. But the other bus will be free to handle 66MHz cards. Also of note is that these units have NO L3 cache but L2 was 512KB. I have no information on what kind of support the G5 has for L3 or if it even has L3 cache support. With a very fast memory interface, I fail to see the reason why it would need to waste pin outs on L3 cache support.



This is good hardware. I have the impression that Apple may offer both models at the same time. The G4 models may even support a higher configuation such as 933MHz and 1.133GHz. But in Q3 of this year the 7451 is supposed to migrate to the same process as the G5 thus boosting speeds to, in my estimation, 1.2GHz to 1.5GHz. This is just speculation on my part.
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  • Reply 1 of 240
    Ahh, Dorsal confirms the existence of G5.



    All we had before was MOSR and The Register to go on.
  • Reply 2 of 240
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    Finally a post I believe to some extent. Thanks for the post Dorsal.
  • Reply 3 of 240
    leonisleonis Posts: 3,427member
    Now that means the rumors from MacUser was indeed true. 1Ghz G4 with the same mobo. It's here. But whether it's going out for sale of not is up to Apple. I truly hope this thing will never see light



    Give me G5 baby ! <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />



    [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</p>
  • Reply 4 of 240
    gkgk Posts: 32member
  • Reply 5 of 240
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by GK:

    <strong> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    What's the smile for?
  • Reply 6 of 240
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    Dorsal!! Thanks for posting!!



    So, why would Apple make 2 towers? One for pro-consumers? Or one as a back up in case the G5 isn't ready? No duals? or is that just that weren't seeded?



    I do like this part-



    [quote] This is good hardware. I have the impression that Apple may offer both models at the same time. <hr></blockquote>



    woohhooo
  • Reply 7 of 240
    How about this?



    PowerMac G4



    867Mhz G4 256KB on-die L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache

    133MHz bus

    256MB RAM

    60GB HD

    CD-RW

    GeForceMX4

    Gigabit ethernet

    $1799



    1GHz G4 256KB on-die L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache

    133MHz bus

    256MB RAM

    80Gb HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForceMX4

    Gigabit ethernet

    $2499



    PowerMac G5



    1.2Ghz G5 w/512KB on-die L2 cache 1:!

    300MHz bus

    512MB PC2100 DDR memory

    100GB HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForceMX4

    GigeWire (800Mbps/1600Mbps FireWire)

    $3499



    1.6Ghz G5 w/512KB on-die L2 cache 1:1

    400MHz bus

    512MB PC2100 DDR memory

    120GB HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForce 4 Ti

    GigaWire (800Mbps/1600Mbps FireWire)

    $4499



    Dual 1.4Ghz G5 w/512KB on-die L2 cache 1:1

    350MHz bus

    1GB PC2100 DDR memory

    120GB HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForce 4 Ti

    GigaWire (800Mbps/1600Mbps FireWire)

    $5499



    [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>
  • Reply 7 of 240
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by EmAn:

    <strong>



    What's the smile for?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    mm, he's happy?





    So will this post from Dorsal shut up the G5 nay sayers? Probably not, lol
  • Reply 9 of 240
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by Nostradamus:

    <strong>How about this?



    PowerMac G4



    867Mhz G4 256KB on-die L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache

    133MHz bus

    256MB RAM

    60GB HD

    CD-RW

    GeForceMX4

    Gigabit ethernet

    $1799



    1GHz G4 256KB on-die L2 cache and 2MB L3 cache

    133MHz bus

    256MB RAM

    80Gb HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForceMX4

    Gigabit ethernet

    $2499



    PowerMac G5



    1.2Ghz G5 w/512KB on-die L2 cache 1:!

    300MHz bus

    512MB PC2100 DDR memory

    100GB HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForceMX4

    GigeWire (800Mbps/1600Mbps FireWire)

    $3499



    1.6Ghz G5 w/512KB on-die L2 cache 1:1

    400MHz bus

    512MB PC2100 DDR memory

    120GB HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForce 4 Ti

    GigaWire (800Mbps/1600Mbps FireWire)

    $4499



    Dual 1.4Ghz G5 w/512KB on-die L2 cache 1:1

    350MHz bus

    1GB PC2100 DDR memory

    120GB HD

    SuperDrive

    GeForce 4 Ti

    GigaWire (800Mbps/1600Mbps FireWire)

    $5499</strong><hr></blockquote>





    Why did you raise the bottom line price? I don't think it would increase and after watching Apple price things lately, I can see the bottom G4 going back to $1599.



    Also, he only mentioned 2 G5s, so 2 G4s and 2 G5s I think.



    [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: KidRed ]</p>
  • Reply 9 of 240
    Mmmm, G5.



    Oh, it tastes like Dorsal!



    [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: concentricity ]



    [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: concentricity ]



    AH! Nothing but typos!



    [ 01-27-2002: Message edited by: concentricity ]</p>
  • Reply 11 of 240
    Egads, yer killin' me! I want one of those G5 machines, but when are they going to arrive? It all sounds plausible enough as Dorsal M's always seem to be. Nice smattering of technical details.
  • Reply 12 of 240
    gkgk Posts: 32member
    [quote] What's the smile for? <hr></blockquote>



    Uhm,





    IF the info is correct, I'll have a G5 under my desk in the near future.
  • Reply 13 of 240
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by KidRed:

    <strong>



    mm, he's happy?





    So will this post from Dorsal shut up the G5 nay sayers? Probably not, lol</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yeah, you're right, probably not.
  • Reply 14 of 240
    I'm willing to bet that a lot of people would pay $5499 for the dual 1.4GHz G5's, specially those creative professions or publishing houses.



    Imagine the margines Apple would make on those.

    Just about enough to offset the low margins from those thousands of new iMacs...
  • Reply 15 of 240
    Let the naysayers be naysayers.
  • Reply 16 of 240
    bodhibodhi Posts: 1,424member
    Nostradamus = Dorsal
  • Reply 17 of 240
    Anybody have a link on what the G5 is supposed to feature?
  • Reply 18 of 240
    Dorsal M,



    What does the back of the Quicksilver case look like for the G5 version? Does it look any different than the G4 version? Do you think it will ship in this case or could it just be for seeding purposes?
  • Reply 19 of 240
    kidredkidred Posts: 2,402member
    The G5 has pretty much everything Doral described.
  • Reply 19 of 240
    Doral, what color are the G4 and G5 motherboards? Are they different or are they both red?
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