Can you outline a few DED "reality obscuring" problems? There are literally hundreds of DED articles up on a wide range of subjects, so it should be easy for you to find and describe lots of serious problems if DED can outline half a dozen major problems in a single Wikipedia article. Or are you simply creating a false equivalency and not backing up your accusations with any facts in a lazy effort to discredit actual journalism?
That’s not something to be proud of.
Wow, Dilger sees himself as an actual journalist.
Well, at least that might explain some of his anger issues.
After all, it must be incredibly frustrating, to see oneself as a real journalist, but being unable to find gainful employment at even a semi-respectable news source. Instead, our fearless journalist is forced to write laughable hit-pieces for a 3rd tier website...
And, btw., who does our actual journalist think he is fooling by commenting on his own verbal diarrhea under the handle "Corrections"?
There seems to be plenty of evindence that Samsung's flagship phones sell very well. From their domination of the Android-based device profits, to them being the other cellphone vendor making any real money besides Apple, too independent reports — posted right here on AI recently — of the Samsung Galaxy S4 being either the 2nd or 3rd most popular device on the US' four major carriers.
The iPhone 5c was alternating 2nd and 3rd place with the Galaxy S4. Yet the 5c was deemed a failure by everyone, and the S4 trumpeted as a good seller.
The iPhone 5c was alternating 2nd and 3rd place with the Galaxy S4. Yet the 5c was deemed a failure by everyone, and the S4 trumpeted as a good seller.
If you accept the 5C as a failure that's fine, but I don't see how the 2nd and 3rd most popular device on a carrier can be labeled as such. That means I can't possibly label the S4 as a failure, especially when there is enough circumstantial data to show that it is both popular and profitable for Samsung, along with many of their previous high-end smartphones.
If Samsung sold 82 million smartphones worldwide last quarter... how many of those were the Galaxy S4? Or expensive flagship phones in general?
Or... out of ALL the 280 million smartphones sold last quarter... how many of those were expensive phones?
I agree with elroth... the cheaper phones tend to be the ones that make up most of the sales.
Not that there's anything wrong with that
Sure, because of their excessive selection and the majority of their devices are very cheap (by American standards) the S4 only accounts for a fraction of their total handset units, but elroth started his comment by stating they "don't sell" which is a very different statement.
As for outside the US I'd say the numbers are very good. From what I've seen the iPhone 5S costs considerably more than the S4 in other countries; it's the Galaxy Note 3 that is priced more comparatively to the iPhone 5S.
Do you guys think Samsung is making their profits on the cheap phones? The only reasonable answer, to me, is that they are selling enough of their high-end devices and with a decent profit margin to account for their profits in the handset market.
Sure, because of their excessive selection and the majority of their devices are very cheap (by American standards) the S4 only accounts for a fraction of their total handset units, but elroth started his comment by stating they "don't sell" which is a very different statement.
As for outside the US I'd say the numbers are very good. From what I've seen the iPhone 5S costs considerably more than the S4 in other countries; it's the Galaxy Note 3 that is priced more comparatively to the iPhone 5S.
Do you guys think Samsung is making their profits on the cheap phones? The only reasonable answer, to me, is that they are selling enough of their high-end devices and with a decent profit margin to account for their profits in the handset market.
You can make a profit on any product at any price. You just have to charge more than what it costs to produce, market, ship, etc.
Samsung is no dummy... they know how to make a profit from their products.
But I just don't think they're selling as many flagship phones as the profit leads you to believe.
Out of 82 million smartphones sold last quarter... do you think they sold 40 million Galaxy S4? 50 million Galaxy S4? I think they would be shouting from to rooftop if that was the case.
Instead... they only talk about certain milestones... like "194 million Galaxy S phones sold since 2010"
That's a great story... but it doesn't really say anything.
We know Android phones, on average, have a low price. And Samsung sells a lot of Android phones. Those two things don't really enforce the notion that Samsung sells a lot of premium phones.
Samsung has earned the title of "world's largest smartphone manufacturer by unit sales" but that doesn't say anything about what those units are.
That's what we're trying to figure out.
If I was to make a guess... I'd say most of Samsung's sales are the cheaper $100-200 phones sold in China and India... not flagships.
You can make a profit on any product at any price. You just have to charge more than what it costs to produce, market, ship, etc.
Samsung is no dummy... they know how to make a profit from their products.
But I just don't think they're selling as many flagship phones as the profit leads you to believe.
Out of 82 million smartphones sold last quarter... do you think they sold 40 million Galaxy S4? 50 million Galaxy S4? I think they would be shouting from to rooftop if that was the case.
Instead... they only talk about certain milestones... like "194 million Galaxy S phones sold since 2010"
That's a great story... but it doesn't really say anything.
We know Android phones, on average, have a low price. And Samsung sells a lot of Android phones. Those two things don't really enforce the notion that Samsung sells a lot of premium phones.
Samsung has earned the title of "world's largest smartphone manufacturer by unit sales" but that doesn't say anything about what those units are.
That's what we're trying to figure out.
If I was to make a guess... I'd say most of Samsung's sales are the cheaper $100-200 phones sold in China and India... not flagships.
Not that there's anything wrong with that
.
The average income in India is $1219, in China it's $2,100. The idea that Samsung is garnering the lions share of it's very substantial profits by selling $100 phones into these markets is ludicrous. Then there are the sales figures:
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But is the current Android flagship model really suffering from poor sales? Not according to a published report out of Korea on Wednesday, which cites Samsung CEO J.K. Shin as the source of a story claiming that more than 40 million units of the Samsung Galaxy S4 have been sold to date.
So that's 40 million in six months. If you want to consider that low sales , fine, but I wouldn't agree with you. There have been other sales figures announced which do indicate Samsung sells a lot of high end phones.
They sold a further 10 million Note 3s on top of those 40 million S4s
And since the argument is about the percentage of their profits coming from high end devices - don't jump up and down claiming these are channel sales, because it just doesn't matter to Samsung if the retailers dump them in the sea, so long as they are paid for them they make a profit. But somehow I doubt all those retailers world-wide are really ordering product they don't think there is a demand for and which they think won't sell.
I think a lot of companies would like to fail at selling high end phones the way Samsung obviously does.
This litle tid-bit is interesting:
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In fact, Samsung is planning to focus more on low- to mid-range handsets, claims the source, as well as tablets, where it smells much more opportunity for growth, and expects just 35% of its phones sold next year to be "premium models".
Since that article is about Samsung revising downward their expectations for sales of the S5, one could reasonably infer that previously, high end phones made up more than 35% of their sales.
There seems to be plenty of evindence that Samsung's flagship phones sell very well. From their domination of the Android-based device profits, to them being the other cellphone vendor making any real money besides Apple, too independent reports — posted right here on AI recently — of the Samsung Galaxy S4 being either the 2nd or 3rd most popular device on the US' four major carriers.
150 million Galaxy S models sold since 2010 vs 430 million iPhones over the same period, yet Apple are the "failures".
Source Sydney Galaxy S5 launch Tuesday March 25 2014.
If this Wikipedia page is off, why didn't the author edited it? Or is it locked down?
As you found, you cannot fix wikipedia. Even correctly cited factual data does not hold up to the political ideology of the wikipedia editors, which as someone else pointed out, are a bunch of biased jerks who will simply revert corrections.
This is why, anyone who claims something based on wikipedia as a source, is a fool.
Wikipedia is a joke, for anything even mildly controversial, and the editors are jerks.
You can make a profit on any product at any price. You just have to charge more than what it costs to produce, market, ship, etc.
Samsung is no dummy... they know how to make a profit from their products.
But I just don't think they're selling as many flagship phones as the profit leads you to believe.
Out of 82 million smartphones sold last quarter... do you think they sold 40 million Galaxy S4? 50 million Galaxy S4? I think they would be shouting from to rooftop if that was the case.
Instead... they only talk about certain milestones... like "194 million Galaxy S phones sold since 2010"
That's a great story... but it doesn't really say anything.
We know Android phones, on average, have a low price. And Samsung sells a lot of Android phones. Those two things don't really enforce the notion that Samsung sells a lot of premium phones.
Samsung has earned the title of "world's largest smartphone manufacturer by unit sales" but that doesn't say anything about what those units are.
That's what we're trying to figure out.
If I was to make a guess... I'd say most of Samsung's sales are the cheaper $100-200 phones sold in China and India... not flagships.
Not that there's anything wrong with that
.
As noted by [@]hill60[/@] Samsung is selling one Galaxy for every iPhone Apple sells. Samsung is successful and they sell a shitload of higher-end devices. They sold 10 million S3 or S4's in under a month. Apple can almost do that in a weekend, but within a month is damn good. It doesn't matter if their high-end devices account for 100% of 1% of their total handset sales, it's still a lot of of high0end devices that are clearly making a profit.
I honestly don't get this where you and others are coming from here. Is this retaliation over the claims that the 5C is a failure? If so, that's neither objective nor fair.
I honestly don't get this where you and others are coming from here. Is this retaliation over the claims that the 5C is a failure? If so, that's neither objective nor fair.
One person said "Android buyers are cheap" and another person said "Samsung makes phones that cost as much as an iPhone or more"
And I said "Samsung also sells phones that cost a lot less" and it spiraled from there.
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Can you outline a few DED "reality obscuring" problems? There are literally hundreds of DED articles up on a wide range of subjects, so it should be easy for you to find and describe lots of serious problems if DED can outline half a dozen major problems in a single Wikipedia article. Or are you simply creating a false equivalency and not backing up your accusations with any facts in a lazy effort to discredit actual journalism?
That’s not something to be proud of.
Wow, Dilger sees himself as an actual journalist.
Well, at least that might explain some of his anger issues.
After all, it must be incredibly frustrating, to see oneself as a real journalist, but being unable to find gainful employment at even a semi-respectable news source. Instead, our fearless journalist is forced to write laughable hit-pieces for a 3rd tier website...
And, btw., who does our actual journalist think he is fooling by commenting on his own verbal diarrhea under the handle "Corrections"?
There seems to be plenty of evindence that Samsung's flagship phones sell very well. From their domination of the Android-based device profits, to them being the other cellphone vendor making any real money besides Apple, too independent reports — posted right here on AI recently — of the Samsung Galaxy S4 being either the 2nd or 3rd most popular device on the US' four major carriers.
The iPhone 5c was alternating 2nd and 3rd place with the Galaxy S4. Yet the 5c was deemed a failure by everyone, and the S4 trumpeted as a good seller.
You are what you hate.
And you hate what you are.
If you accept the 5C as a failure that's fine, but I don't see how the 2nd and 3rd most popular device on a carrier can be labeled as such. That means I can't possibly label the S4 as a failure, especially when there is enough circumstantial data to show that it is both popular and profitable for Samsung, along with many of their previous high-end smartphones.
If you were looking for proof that education reform is long overdue, here's this nugget of... gold.
I thought it was proof that the war on drugs isn't working.
But what about in the whole world?
If Samsung sold 82 million smartphones worldwide last quarter... how many of those were the Galaxy S4? Or expensive flagship phones in general?
Or... out of ALL the 280 million smartphones sold last quarter... how many of those were expensive phones?
I agree with elroth... the cheaper phones tend to be the ones that make up most of the sales.
Not that there's anything wrong with that
Sure, because of their excessive selection and the majority of their devices are very cheap (by American standards) the S4 only accounts for a fraction of their total handset units, but elroth started his comment by stating they "don't sell" which is a very different statement.
As for outside the US I'd say the numbers are very good. From what I've seen the iPhone 5S costs considerably more than the S4 in other countries; it's the Galaxy Note 3 that is priced more comparatively to the iPhone 5S.
Do you guys think Samsung is making their profits on the cheap phones? The only reasonable answer, to me, is that they are selling enough of their high-end devices and with a decent profit margin to account for their profits in the handset market.
You can make a profit on any product at any price. You just have to charge more than what it costs to produce, market, ship, etc.
Samsung is no dummy... they know how to make a profit from their products.
But I just don't think they're selling as many flagship phones as the profit leads you to believe.
Out of 82 million smartphones sold last quarter... do you think they sold 40 million Galaxy S4? 50 million Galaxy S4? I think they would be shouting from to rooftop if that was the case.
Instead... they only talk about certain milestones... like "194 million Galaxy S phones sold since 2010"
That's a great story... but it doesn't really say anything.
We know Android phones, on average, have a low price. And Samsung sells a lot of Android phones. Those two things don't really enforce the notion that Samsung sells a lot of premium phones.
Samsung has earned the title of "world's largest smartphone manufacturer by unit sales" but that doesn't say anything about what those units are.
That's what we're trying to figure out.
If I was to make a guess... I'd say most of Samsung's sales are the cheaper $100-200 phones sold in China and India... not flagships.
Not that there's anything wrong with that
.
Look at this entire thread. Look at the amount of time and effort this website devotes to bashing Samsung.
It's really embarrassing that these people exist.
DED is pretty much the Fox News of tech reporting, and everything he writes is a hit-piece.
I start visiting this site, browse through a bit to see when the updates are coming, and then one of these steaming piles always turns me away again.
Without this garbage this site would be so, so much better.
Samsung got caught, convicted and fined promoting their "steaming piles" on HTC's Taiwanese forums.
The biggest "steaming piles" are paid for by Samsung out of their $14 Billion marketing budget.
Without whining like yours, these forums would be so much better.
Go back to the "winners".
You can make a profit on any product at any price. You just have to charge more than what it costs to produce, market, ship, etc.
Samsung is no dummy... they know how to make a profit from their products.
But I just don't think they're selling as many flagship phones as the profit leads you to believe.
Out of 82 million smartphones sold last quarter... do you think they sold 40 million Galaxy S4? 50 million Galaxy S4? I think they would be shouting from to rooftop if that was the case.
Instead... they only talk about certain milestones... like "194 million Galaxy S phones sold since 2010"
That's a great story... but it doesn't really say anything.
We know Android phones, on average, have a low price. And Samsung sells a lot of Android phones. Those two things don't really enforce the notion that Samsung sells a lot of premium phones.
Samsung has earned the title of "world's largest smartphone manufacturer by unit sales" but that doesn't say anything about what those units are.
That's what we're trying to figure out.
If I was to make a guess... I'd say most of Samsung's sales are the cheaper $100-200 phones sold in China and India... not flagships.
Not that there's anything wrong with that
.
The average income in India is $1219, in China it's $2,100. The idea that Samsung is garnering the lions share of it's very substantial profits by selling $100 phones into these markets is ludicrous. Then there are the sales figures:
So that's 40 million in six months. If you want to consider that low sales , fine, but I wouldn't agree with you. There have been other sales figures announced which do indicate Samsung sells a lot of high end phones.
They sold a further 10 million Note 3s on top of those 40 million S4s
And since the argument is about the percentage of their profits coming from high end devices - don't jump up and down claiming these are channel sales, because it just doesn't matter to Samsung if the retailers dump them in the sea, so long as they are paid for them they make a profit. But somehow I doubt all those retailers world-wide are really ordering product they don't think there is a demand for and which they think won't sell.
I think a lot of companies would like to fail at selling high end phones the way Samsung obviously does.
This litle tid-bit is interesting:
Since that article is about Samsung revising downward their expectations for sales of the S5, one could reasonably infer that previously, high end phones made up more than 35% of their sales.
There seems to be plenty of evindence that Samsung's flagship phones sell very well. From their domination of the Android-based device profits, to them being the other cellphone vendor making any real money besides Apple, too independent reports — posted right here on AI recently — of the Samsung Galaxy S4 being either the 2nd or 3rd most popular device on the US' four major carriers.
150 million Galaxy S models sold since 2010 vs 430 million iPhones over the same period, yet Apple are the "failures".
Source Sydney Galaxy S5 launch Tuesday March 25 2014.
If this Wikipedia page is off, why didn't the author edited it? Or is it locked down?
As you found, you cannot fix wikipedia. Even correctly cited factual data does not hold up to the political ideology of the wikipedia editors, which as someone else pointed out, are a bunch of biased jerks who will simply revert corrections.
This is why, anyone who claims something based on wikipedia as a source, is a fool.
Wikipedia is a joke, for anything even mildly controversial, and the editors are jerks.
As noted by [@]hill60[/@] Samsung is selling one Galaxy for every iPhone Apple sells. Samsung is successful and they sell a shitload of higher-end devices. They sold 10 million S3 or S4's in under a month. Apple can almost do that in a weekend, but within a month is damn good. It doesn't matter if their high-end devices account for 100% of 1% of their total handset sales, it's still a lot of of high0end devices that are clearly making a profit.
I honestly don't get this where you and others are coming from here. Is this retaliation over the claims that the 5C is a failure? If so, that's neither objective nor fair.
Where did you read that? Wikipedia?
The internet made information free, and corporations and governments hired people to make it suspect.
One person said "Android buyers are cheap" and another person said "Samsung makes phones that cost as much as an iPhone or more"
And I said "Samsung also sells phones that cost a lot less" and it spiraled from there.
Maybe you needs a
But I never heard Corrections admit to being another sock account for DED, Prince McLean, Slash Lane or whatever.
Yup, pretty common knowledge who he is. Just have to let the newer members know the connection once in awhile.
Stop bashing Samsung. /s