Apple seeking damages of $2B in new trial, Samsung says claims are 'gross exaggeration'

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in General Discussion edited April 2014
The second California Apple v. Samsung patent trial kicked off on Tuesday, with both parties offering opening statements to the jury, two of whom were excused just one day after being selected.

Apple vs Samsung


According to in-court reports from Re/code, Apple is seeking $2 billion in damages from Samsung over alleged misuse of five patents, double what the Cupertino, Calif., company won from the first California Apple v. Samsung jury trial in 2012.

"The evidence in this case will be that Samsung copied the iPhone and it also took many other Apple inventions that had not yet appeared in Apple products," said Apple attorney Harold McElhinny. "Samsung did not stop with competitive intelligence," he said. "Copying the iPhone was literally built into the Samsung development process."

McElhinny has promised to show the jury internal Samsung documents he said proves the Korean tech giant knew it was copying Apple's intellectual property. While Samsung fended off the iPhone's growing user base since its debut in 2007, by 2010 the Korean tech giant was forced to copy Apple's handset, a piece of technology in development since 2004.

It is unknown what evidence Apple plans to submit, but the packet could be along the lines of a 2010 Samsung comparison report -- now known as the "copycat documents" -- shown during the first Apple v. Samsung. Those papers illustrated a systematic process that compared and contrasted then-current Samsung handset designs with the iPhone.

Samsung Report
Slide from the "copycat document" presented during the first Apple v. Samsung trial.


According to McIlhinney, Samsung sold 37 million infringing products in the U.S., for which Apple is seeking an average of $33 in damages per phone. The company is also asking for reasonable royalties on phones and tablets.

In his opening statement, Samsung counsel John Quinn said Apple's patent claims are not as broad as the company makes out.

"I'll prove to you that is a gross, gross exaggeration, and an insult to your intelligence," Quinn said.

The attorney cited a sampling of reviews of Samsung products before passing the buck off to Google and its Android operating system. The software features seen on the Galaxy Nexus, one of the main devices in suit, were not built by Samsung, but the "sophisticated and creative minds" at Google.

"It's an attack on Android," Quinn said. "It is trying to gain with you in this courtroom what it has lost in the marketplace."

During the latter part of his opener, Quinn trotted out an email from Apple cofounder Steve Jobs that alluded to a "Holy War" with Google. The company was apparently aware of the danger Samsung posed. In fact, Quinn said a meeting agenda from October 2010 suggested Apple recognized Android was ahead in cloud computing, notifications and voice.

Finally, the original ten-member jury has been whittled down to four men and four women as two jurors were excused. One claimed sickness, while another said serving in the trial would be financially damaging.
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  • Reply 1 of 62
    chandra69chandra69 Posts: 638member

    Pay Samsung! Pay it and shutup!  Come up with Tizen if you can!

  • Reply 2 of 62
    dickprinterdickprinter Posts: 1,060member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    It is unknown what evidence Apple plans to submit, but the packet could be along the lines of a 2010 Samsung comparison report -- now known as the "copycat documents" -- shown during the first Apple v. Samsung. Those papers illustrated a systematic process that compared and contrasted then-current Samsung handset designs with the iPhone.

     
    Samsung Report

    Slide from the "copycat document" presented during the first Apple v. Samsung trial.



     

    If you ask me, that "copycat document" is all the jury should need to prove guilt, IMO. When it first came to surface during the first trial, the more I read it, the more disgusted I became.

  • Reply 3 of 62
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,093member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post

     

    If you ask me, that "copycat document" is all the jury should need to prove guilt, IMO. When it first came to surface during the first trial, the more I read it, the more disgusted I became.




    Well... according to Samsung's new crap they're throwing on the wall in hopes it sticks... apparently it's all Google's fault now.



    Uhm... even though graphic shows Samsung was trying to mimic the design... but that's just a technicality. /s

  • Reply 4 of 62
    hjbhjb Posts: 278member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post

     

    If you ask me, that "copycat document" is all the jury should need to prove guilt, IMO. When it first came to surface during the first trial, the more I read it, the more disgusted I became.


    I read that whole document what you called "copycat document".  IMO, that is not a copycat document.  

     

    That is a competitive analysis with a trend leading product or design.  Basically all companies do this.  

     

    Have you seen that Sony inspired iPhone design?  That strikingly resembles later iPhone 4.

  • Reply 5 of 62
    tastowetastowe Posts: 108member
    I am total piss off at the shitty google and samsung. So I am going to hate google and samsung company. The court is bullshit by asshole samsung
  • Reply 6 of 62
    tastowetastowe Posts: 108member
    chandra69 wrote: »
    Pay Samsung! Pay it and shutup!  Come up with Tizen if you can!
    Oh shut up dude. You did may me mad. You are lousy computer programmer
  • Reply 7 of 62
    hjbhjb Posts: 278member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tastowe View Post



    I am total piss off at the shitty google and samsung. So I am going to hate google and samsung company. The court is bullshit by asshole samsung

    Why? Why? and not by Apple?

  • Reply 8 of 62
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    hjb wrote: »
    I read that whole document what you called "copycat document".  IMO, that is not a copycat document.  

    That is a competitive analysis with a trend leading product or design.  Basically all companies do this.  

    Have you seen that Sony inspired iPhone design?  That strikingly <span style="line-height:1.4em;">resembles</span>
    <span style="line-height:1.4em;"> later iPhone 4.</span>

    So what was the Sony phone Apple copied?
  • Reply 9 of 62
    hjbhjb Posts: 278member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jungmark View Post





    So what was the Sony phone Apple copied?

    My point was that the 'Copycat document' is not a copycat document and you can not abuse anyone doing what we all do.  We all inspired from everyone.

  • Reply 10 of 62
    irelandireland Posts: 17,798member
    Give 'em hell Apple!
  • Reply 11 of 62
    jcallowsjcallows Posts: 150member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hjb View Post

     

    My point was that the 'Copycat document' is not a copycat document and you can not abuse anyone doing what we all do.  We all inspired from everyone.


    So what was the Sony phone Apple copied?

  • Reply 12 of 62
    dabedabe Posts: 99member
    hjb wrote: »
    I read that whole document what you called "copycat document".  IMO, that is not a copycat document.  

    That is a competitive analysis with a trend leading product or design.  Basically all companies do this.  

    Have you seen that Sony inspired iPhone design?  That strikingly <span style="line-height:1.4em;">resembles</span>
    <span style="line-height:1.4em;"> later iPhone 4.</span>

    Being inspired by prior work is one thing. Systematically copying material that is designated as someone else's intellectual property is stealing. There is just no excuse for it, especially when the theif commits the offense knowingly and in defiance of warnings.
  • Reply 13 of 62
    So basically, Quinn's strategy is to regurgitate standard Fandroid arguments from the forum wars. Like he did in the first trial.
  • Reply 14 of 62
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    jcallows wrote: »
    So what was the Sony phone Apple copied?

    He's referring to this.


    http://theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189309/apple-sony-iphone-design-inspiration-iphone-4-looked-old
  • Reply 15 of 62
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    dasanman69 wrote: »

    Yes, But what Sony phone is it? Where can I find it?
  • Reply 16 of 62
    imemberimember Posts: 247member

    The battle between good (Apple) and evil (Shamesung),... with Tim Cock (Badass Antihero) vs Samsung CEO (Satan), please Apple i beg you take their money and save the planet!

  • Reply 17 of 62
    hjbhjb Posts: 278member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dabe View Post





    Being inspired by prior work is one thing. Systematically copying material that is designated as someone else's intellectual property is stealing. There is just no excuse for it, especially when the theif commits the offense knowingly and in defiance of warnings.

    Have you read that document?  Well, we all do this sort of analysis ,don't you think so?  Speaking of 'Copying', have you heard about Goophone? 

  • Reply 18 of 62
    jcallowsjcallows Posts: 150member

    Yes but what was the Sony phone Apple copied?

  • Reply 19 of 62
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    jungmark wrote: »
    Yes, But what Sony phone is it? Where can I find it?


    The OP said
    Have you seen that Sony inspired iPhone design?

    How did that turn into 'copied' or a 'Sony phone'? He could of worded it better, but nowhere is it implied that Apple copied the design of a Sony phone.
  • Reply 20 of 62
    ronmgronmg Posts: 163member
    Give it a rest hjb. We don't all do this. Stop trying to justify the unjustifiable. Samsung lost the first trial and will lose this one too. Just need to wait and see how many billions are involved.
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