Apple sales team concerned about shrinking high-end iPhone market, but Schiller disagrees

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  • Reply 21 of 42
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,374member
    Apple outsells Samsung at the high end by over 2:1 (Galaxy S and variants hit 200 million recently according to Samsung's own announcement while iPhone sales over the exact same time period as the Galaxy was 430 million).

    Samsung is a distant second place to Apple and 3rd, 4th and 5th are so far behind they're hardly even relevant.

    I don't see how anyone could assume that Apple is "concerned" considering the sales numbers they're consistently putting up.

    From testimony today:
    "After watching one Samsung pre-Super Bowl ad Schiller wrote an email to Vincent, commenting on the ad. “It’s pretty good and I cant help but think “these guys are feeling it” (like an athlete who can’t miss because they are in the zone) while we struggle to nail a compelling brief on iPhone,” Schiller wrote in an email, presented in court on Friday. He added: “Something drastic has to change. Fast.”
  • Reply 22 of 42
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,351member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post



    There's no such thing as 'too big to fail' nor 'too big a lead'. Dismissing the competition has led to the downfall of men, companies, and countries.

     

    I'm sure Apple is well-aware with what everyone else is doing. If they were not, they'd be negligent. The difference is that they don't "obsess" with the competition- they will do what they think is right and follow their own trend, instead of blindly reacting every time a competitor releases something.  What everyone else is doing tends to have little bearing or influence on their own direction, which is good. If someone doesn't agree with this, they should try to imagine what the landscape would look like if the iPhone/iPad/Macbooks didn't exist. Now, think of how these would look if "competitors" didn't exist- I'm not convinced the iPhone would be much, if at all different. It has not drawn inspiration from anything else. 

  • Reply 23 of 42
    dasanman69 wrote: »
    Dismissing the competition has led to the downfall of men, companies, and countries.

    Funny how that kind of cautionary FUD only gets applied to Apple in these forums.
  • Reply 24 of 42
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    Samsung knows this has noting to do with the trial and doesn't care what impact it has. All they care about is making sure it's public knowledge. Do a Google news search on Apple and you ll see that every tech site, BI, Businessweek, WSJ, etc. are reporting how secret documents show Apple is scared of Android and worried about Samsung marketing. I hope Steve's "holy war" has been worth it,
  • Reply 25 of 42
    maccherrymaccherry Posts: 924member
    What a compete effing joke!!
    Apple has essentially one goddamn phone and spent 1 billion advertising while her competitors spent a combined 14 billion and have like 150 fu***** phones. And Apple is still banking like a boss. Um, what?
    Don't waste my time with this bull****!
  • Reply 26 of 42
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    Someone needs to tip off Samsung's defense attorney that coming up with an alibi and showing motive are not useful in patent cases.  These guys are all over the map like a trapped rat. 

     

    What's next bringing in the author of "Haunted Empire" as a character witness for the defense?

  • Reply 27 of 42
    maccherry wrote: »
    What a compete effing joke!!
    Apple has essentially one goddamn phone and spent 1 billion advertising while her competitors spent a combined 14 billion and have like 150 fu***** phones. And Apple is still banking like a boss. Um, what?
    Don't waste my time with this bull****!

    U MAD BRO?
  • Reply 28 of 42
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    Funny how that kind of cautionary FUD only gets applied to Apple in these forums.

    Because Apple isn't behind anyone. They're the top dog. They already came from behind, and beat everyone. There was a article just the other day of all the people that dismissed the Apple, and the iPhone. Where's Dell, Palm, and BB nowadays? In my life I've seen David slay Goliath many times.
  • Reply 29 of 42
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

     
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post



    Funny how that kind of cautionary FUD only gets applied to Apple in these forums.




    Because Apple isn't behind anyone. They're the top dog. They already came from behind, and beat everyone. There was a article just the other day of all the people that dismissed the Apple, and the iPhone. Where's Dell, Palm, and BB nowadays? In my life I've seen David slay Goliath many times.

    you missed Suddently Newton's point entirely. Its the way that Apple ignores the competition's challenges to race to the bottom at all cost,  and instead blaze their own trail on their own schedule that continues to make them the respected and feared underdog.    No matter how large they have become.  Who else does that in this industry?

     

    Or is your definition of underdog, the guy that makes 150 different models of something and throws it at the wall, or announces vaporware that never sees the light of day, or the guy that gives product away at no/low margin hoping to make it up in volume?  Is this your hero? Who do you admire and why?  Don't tell me... Samsung, right? The great underdog who brought us the innovative Smart Gear line.

  • Reply 30 of 42
    zenwaveszenwaves Posts: 88member
    Sales team ... An image of sweaty, rumpled Glengarry-Glen Ross'rs fretting their quarterly iSales ...
  • Reply 31 of 42
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post



    From testimony today:

    "After watching one Samsung pre-Super Bowl ad Schiller wrote an email to Vincent, commenting on the ad. “It’s pretty good and I cant help but think “these guys are feeling it” (like an athlete who can’t miss because they are in the zone) while we struggle to nail a compelling brief on iPhone,” Schiller wrote in an email, presented in court on Friday. He added: “Something drastic has to change. Fast.”

    I see that mainly as a pep talk, like a sports coach. Sure, he acknowledges that the competition is tough, but they also play dirty. Apple is at a disadvantage in that area because they can't play dirty. It is against their ethics and would damage their reputation. Schiller just wants the ad agency to come up with a compelling ad that still adheres to Apple principles.

     

    Samsung does a lot of trash talking and that sort of thing appeals to the lower end customers, which is where all the growth in mobile phones is going to be, because there are billions and billions of those sorts of people with cheaper Androids and feature phones who want to upgrade. Who knows, perhaps Apple makes those sorts of people feel self conscious, so they go to Best Buy instead of to the Apple Store.

     

    Anyway, In my opinion, Schiller should be concerned with the shrinking high-end market. A large portion of iPhone users are already on their 2nd, 3rd, or 4th iPhone and that is just treading water, not growth.

  • Reply 32 of 42
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    snova wrote: »
    you missed Suddently Newton's point entirely. Its the way that Apple ignores the competition's challenges to race to the bottom at all cost,  and instead blaze their own trail on their own schedule that continues to make them the respected and feared underdog.    No matter how large they have become.  Who else does that in this industry?

    Or is your definition of underdog, the guy that makes 150 different models of something and throws it at the wall, or announces vaporware that never sees the light of day, or the guy that gives product away at no/low margin hoping to make it up in volume?  Is this your hero?

    Apple hasn't been the 'underdog' for quite some time. I have no 'hero', for even the mightiest of heroes has been slain, e.g. Achilles. PC shipments are down not because the Mac is beating them, but because Apple attacked from the bottom with much smaller devices, i.e. iPhone and iPad.

    You can ignore those 'bottom racers' all you want, but we just saw sales rankings, and I must say I was surprised to see the S4, and Note 3 in prominent positions, so while Samsung does make a boatload of crappy devices it also makes some high end ones. Someone that buys a crappy Samsung phone today is more likely to buy a high end one in the future. You're foolish to believe otherwise.

    I personally don't think Apple has much to worry about, but Samsung is becoming like Apple much faster than the other manufacturers are becoming like Samsung.
  • Reply 33 of 42
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

     Someone that buys a crappy Samsung phone today is more likely to buy a high end one in the future. You're foolish to believe otherwise.

    hmm.. someone who buys a crappy device from a brand is going to come back and spend even MORE money on that brand in the future to buy a higher end product.   Foolish to believe otherwise, you say!    

    :wow: 

     

    No doubt there is the term "foolish" somewhere here in your logical assertion, but I think the placement of that term is somehow not in the right spot. 

  • Reply 34 of 42
    michael scripmichael scrip Posts: 1,916member
    zenwaves wrote: »
    Sales team ... An image of sweaty, rumpled Glengarry-Glen Ross'rs fretting their quarterly iSales ...

    Great movie! I wish I had seen the play.

    :)
  • Reply 35 of 42
    Why should Apple spend 14 billion on advertising like Samdung? I mean the phones sell themselves with little to know advertising from Apple. They get more free advertising than most phones because some website is either praising or bashing the phone which makes people run out and buy them...
    I say chug along Samdung until you choke on your own feces.

    The GS5 is already getting hammered over its crappy finger print scanner...LMAO LOVE IT
  • Reply 36 of 42
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
  • Reply 37 of 42
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    snova wrote: »
    hmm.. someone who buys a crappy device from a brand is going to come back and spend even MORE money on that brand in the future to buy a higher end product.   Foolish to believe otherwise, you say!    
    :wow:  

    No doubt there is the term "foolish" somewhere here in your logical assertion, but I think the placement of that term is somehow not in the right spot. 

    See the thing about having something crappy is that you don't know it's crappy. Only when you have something better do you realize what you had before sucked. How much better is the iPhone now compared to the first version?
  • Reply 38 of 42
    snovasnova Posts: 1,281member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

     
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by snova View Post



    hmm.. someone who buys a crappy device from a brand is going to come back and spend even MORE money on that brand in the future to buy a higher end product.   Foolish to believe otherwise, you say!    

    image  



    No doubt there is the term "foolish" somewhere here in your logical assertion, but I think the placement of that term is somehow not in the right spot. 




    See the thing about having something crappy is that you don't know it's crappy. Only when you have something better do you realize what you had before sucked. How much better is the iPhone now compared to the first version?

    :no:  at what point do you think we get to the "foolish" part in your assertion?

     

    have a good weekend. my work here is done.

  • Reply 39 of 42
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post

    Is this really the kind of stuff Apple wants made public?

     

    Is that their call?

     






    2011 Strategy: ship iPad 2 with amazing hardware and software before our competitors even catch up with our current model






     

    Done and done.

     
    HDMI dongle (use for projection of demos below?)

     

    Guess they (rightly) decided Apple TV works better for that.

     
    Jasper:

    Durango:

    Telluride:

    have LTE version in mid-2012



     

    Yep, two years ahead of release. That’s how far they’re thinking.

     




    Apple TV

    - NBC, CBS, Viacom, HBO, ...

    - where do we go from here?

    - apps, browser, magic wand?  






     

    Which leads me to believe they have this mess sorted out by now. <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> 

  • Reply 40 of 42
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,001member
    snova wrote: »
    :no:   at what point do you think we get to the "foolish" part in your assertion?

    have a good weekend. my work here is done.

    Even the execs at Apple are concerned about the improved build quality, and ecosystem provided by the so called 'bottom racers'. One can't ignore the possibility of Samsung 'locking in' users that buy a crappy device first.
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