Frankly, it is more likely iOS will see more and better competition from Microsoft in the coming years. And, Samsung will be moving away from Android and to their own Tizen, where they can have vertical control. Where will Amazon be?
A lot of Apple haters are now looking to Amazon, hoping it will destroy Apple. Never know. If the US government decides to again support the Amazon monopoly like they did regarding ebooks, then Apple may have problems.
i don't know how samsung does it. but creating the manufacturing process for extra 40million devices is not an easy job. in term of manufactures' efficiency, quality control, and build integrity, it is almost impossible to make it. further, things are not that simple if samsung keeps opening new manufacturing factories. at certain level, just adding new plants and hiring new workers might not help.
"Quality control" or lack thereof just about sums that up.
This headline sums up the Samsung - Apple relationship completely. Of course pure profits are more important than pure marketshare but there is a tipping point. At some point (under 5% for PCs) developers and industry allegiance begin to pull away completely from your ecosystem as Apple found in the mid-nineties. I never want to be an iOS user looking over the fence and seeing so many more apps and accessories available for Android just as they looked at iOS a few years ago.
iOS has a long way to go before developers begin to look elsewhere but there are some very early signs of developers now embracing Android and iOS together.
This is not the mid nineties. Apple is still selling more iOS devices each qtr (yoy). Devs are making more money on iOS than in Android. iOS users also spend more $$$. A larger % of iOS user spend money.
Samsung - Buy one get one free. Ya. Twice as many Samsung phones shipped as Apple SOLD. Makes sense.
yep and every company before them that allowed the Service provider to do the BOGO, were on the quick slide to non-existence. A few names come to mind, Motorola, RIM, Nokia... It is only a mater of time. This is how service provider back the cell phone companies into a corner.
Ugh, Strategy Analytics ... the same outfit that reported 2 million Galaxy Tabs sold at launch, when in fact Samsung had only sold 1 million units for the entire year. And after DED rightfully ripped Strategy Analytics for basically pulling a bunch of sales figures out of thin air, he now cites them as the source for this article? Some of us pay attention to the credibility of these analysts, and it doesn't make DED's case here considering how thoroughly he deconstructed Strategy Analytics' credibility to begin with.
Ugh, Strategy Analytics ... the same outfit that reported 2 million Galaxy Tabs sold at launch, when in fact Samsung had only sold 1 million units for the entire year. And after DED rightfully ripped Strategy Analytics for basically pulling a bunch of sales figures out of thin air, he now cites them as the source for this article? Some of us pay attention to the credibility of these analysts, and it doesn't make DED's case here considering how thoroughly he deconstructed Strategy Analytics' credibility to begin with.
It was Samsung that first reported having shipped 2M Tabs in 2010. It didn't sell even 1 M.
Strategy Analytics numbers are certainly only "estimates," but the rest of the tech media is publishing them along with SA's incredibly insane interpretation. This is presenting the other side of the story. It really doesn't matter how many phones Samsung sold if it made less money than a year ago, and half as much as Apple.
In fact, the more phones SA reports that Samsung sold, the more incompetent both of them look.
<p>Speaking in pure #s, Android is obviously a majority, yet developers still overhwelmingly favor iOS in terms of app development. There's nothing that indicates this will change anytime soon, since the percentage of Android users who own capable devices, and actually are willing to purchase apps is much, much smaller than the numbers suggest. Meanwhile, every single iPhone owner is a lucrative consumer. </p>
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<p>That's the key point. Almost every metric shows the iOS users spend way more money than Android users. And as sick as Android fans are of hearing it, the fact is that a huge number of those Android phones out there are really feature phones (that Galaxy Y being an excellent example).</p>
Apple is waiting to go all-offese as soon as it knows that its future innovations are going to be protected catching entire industry by surprise. A lesson it learned hard way from iphone/ipad is that simply protecting patents won't protect it from Samsung and Google's copycat business model. Timing of WWDC can't be any better than this. In next few days Jury is going to beat the sh** out of Samsung by punishing it with a fine close to $2 billion and send a notice to tech industry about consequences of copying lead innovators. Apple WILL THEN release a truckload of new products while all this is fresh in everyone's memory and go all offense. Apple probably had a few products ready as early as last year but it did not want to rush to the market without knowing how patent infringement by Samsung/Google was going to be taken care of. It will NOW do so....Tim Cook is real smart guy and Apple has been playing Rope-A-Dope with Samsung/Google all along. Apple has taken many hits to wear out these copycats now and it's time Apple will prounce back and finish them off.....oh wait wasn't that Steve Jobs directive to Apple!
From a long term view, this is not good for Apple.
When you lose market share, eventually you lose.
Apple doesn't play the marketshare game in such a way. Plus a lot of the market share of Android are for developing nations or less wealthy individuals. The Android model is almost destined to always earn less than Apple because it takes into account the rest of the world.
If Android didn't exist I doubt the proliferation of smartphones would be as wide but that width doesn't always translate to income.
Apple doesn't need market share to win. They are already winning.
That's the key point. Almost every metric shows the iOS users spend way more money than Android users. And as sick as Android fans are of hearing it, the fact is that a huge number of those Android phones out there are really feature phones (that Galaxy Y being an excellent example).
It's only a smartphone in the technical sense. It's not going to be able to run all sorts of apps, for instance.
And let's face it: If someone is buying that phone, he's buying it because it's cheap as hell. That sort of purchaser isn't going to spend a lot of money apps, or buying music or movies, or anything else for that matter.
It's only a smartphone in the technical sense. It's not going to be able to run all sorts of apps, for instance.
And let's face it: If someone is buying that phone, he's buying it because it's cheap as hell. That sort of purchaser isn't going to spend a lot of money apps, or buying music or movies, or anything else for that matter.
It's a smartphone in the actual sense. Where does the threshold between "smartphone but not really smartphone" and "smartphone" end?
Just because it didn't cost $500-700 and can't run 10 apps at once doesn't mean it isn't a smartphone.
I don’t care how many phones Samsung shipped. I don’t use Samsung products (except for a refrigerator.) I don’t care if Android market share dwarfs that of iOS. I don’t have any Android devices. I only have one question. Analysts, haters, critics, pundits, soothsayers all squawk about market share being the death of Apple, a repeat of the Microsoft PC wars. So… is it true or not? Will developers eventually move away from iOS because of shrinking market share or not? Will fewer and fewer apps be available for iOS or not?
I don’t care how many phones Samsung shipped. I don’t use Samsung products (except for a refrigerator.) I don’t care if Android market share dwarfs that of iOS. I don’t have any Android devices. I only have one question. Analysts, haters, critics, pundits, soothsayers all squawk about market share being the death of Apple, a repeat of the Microsoft PC wars. So… is it true or not? Will developers eventually move away from iOS because of shrinking market share or not? Will fewer and fewer apps be available for iOS or not?
A loud minority squawks about marketshare. Most media praises Apple expectedly and others don't really care as long as shit works properly.
Ha ha. Earning half of Apple's profits isn't a bad place to be. Put it this way:
Half of Apple's profits = good.
Ten times the profits of Nokia, Blackberry and every other smart device manufacturer that is not using IOS or Android: bad
Android isn't making as much money as Apple, but it is the only mobile OS other than IOS that is making money at all. That is why Samsung (and everyone else) are going to stick with it. (Samsung is going to come out with Tizen devices in the next 12 months, but even they say that they do not expect for them to account for more than 15% of their mobile device sales.) And that is why all of the new smartphone and tablet manufacturers are going with Android. The only space where some manufacturers are not using Android is wearables.
The reason: simple. Smartphone users expect apps, and that means either the Apple App store or the Google Play store.
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Considering Samsung has been GIVING ONE AWAY FOR EVERY ONE THEY SELL....how many did they really Sell vs. Ship?
Frankly, it is more likely iOS will see more and better competition from Microsoft in the coming years. And, Samsung will be moving away from Android and to their own Tizen, where they can have vertical control. Where will Amazon be?
A lot of Apple haters are now looking to Amazon, hoping it will destroy Apple. Never know. If the US government decides to again support the Amazon monopoly like they did regarding ebooks, then Apple may have problems.
"Quality control" or lack thereof just about sums that up.
This is not the mid nineties. Apple is still selling more iOS devices each qtr (yoy). Devs are making more money on iOS than in Android. iOS users also spend more $$$. A larger % of iOS user spend money.
Samsung - Buy one get one free. Ya. Twice as many Samsung phones shipped as Apple SOLD. Makes sense.
yep and every company before them that allowed the Service provider to do the BOGO, were on the quick slide to non-existence. A few names come to mind, Motorola, RIM, Nokia... It is only a mater of time. This is how service provider back the cell phone companies into a corner.
From a long term view, this is not good for Apple.
When you lose market share, eventually you lose.
Ugh, Strategy Analytics ... the same outfit that reported 2 million Galaxy Tabs sold at launch, when in fact Samsung had only sold 1 million units for the entire year. And after DED rightfully ripped Strategy Analytics for basically pulling a bunch of sales figures out of thin air, he now cites them as the source for this article? Some of us pay attention to the credibility of these analysts, and it doesn't make DED's case here considering how thoroughly he deconstructed Strategy Analytics' credibility to begin with.
Ugh, Strategy Analytics ... the same outfit that reported 2 million Galaxy Tabs sold at launch, when in fact Samsung had only sold 1 million units for the entire year. And after DED rightfully ripped Strategy Analytics for basically pulling a bunch of sales figures out of thin air, he now cites them as the source for this article? Some of us pay attention to the credibility of these analysts, and it doesn't make DED's case here considering how thoroughly he deconstructed Strategy Analytics' credibility to begin with.
It was Samsung that first reported having shipped 2M Tabs in 2010. It didn't sell even 1 M.
Strategy Analytics numbers are certainly only "estimates," but the rest of the tech media is publishing them along with SA's incredibly insane interpretation. This is presenting the other side of the story. It really doesn't matter how many phones Samsung sold if it made less money than a year ago, and half as much as Apple.
In fact, the more phones SA reports that Samsung sold, the more incompetent both of them look.
<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Slurpy</strong> <a href="/t/178949/samsung-shipped-2x-as-many-phones-as-apple-earned-half-as-much#post_2524552"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br />
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<p>Speaking in pure #s, Android is obviously a majority, yet developers still overhwelmingly favor iOS in terms of app development. There's nothing that indicates this will change anytime soon, since the percentage of Android users who own capable devices, and actually are willing to purchase apps is much, much smaller than the numbers suggest. Meanwhile, every single iPhone owner is a lucrative consumer. </p>
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<p>That's the key point. Almost every metric shows the iOS users spend way more money than Android users. And as sick as Android fans are of hearing it, the fact is that a huge number of those Android phones out there are really feature phones (that Galaxy Y being an excellent example).</p>
Apple doesn't play the marketshare game in such a way. Plus a lot of the market share of Android are for developing nations or less wealthy individuals. The Android model is almost destined to always earn less than Apple because it takes into account the rest of the world.
If Android didn't exist I doubt the proliferation of smartphones would be as wide but that width doesn't always translate to income.
Apple doesn't need market share to win. They are already winning.
Still a smartphone. Just not a powerhouse.
From a long term view, this is not good for Apple.
When you lose market share, eventually you lose.
What's Mercedes-Benz' market share? What's Tiffany's market share? What's Omega's market share?
Still a smartphone. Just not a powerhouse.
It's only a smartphone in the technical sense. It's not going to be able to run all sorts of apps, for instance.
And let's face it: If someone is buying that phone, he's buying it because it's cheap as hell. That sort of purchaser isn't going to spend a lot of money apps, or buying music or movies, or anything else for that matter.
It's only a smartphone in the technical sense. It's not going to be able to run all sorts of apps, for instance.
And let's face it: If someone is buying that phone, he's buying it because it's cheap as hell. That sort of purchaser isn't going to spend a lot of money apps, or buying music or movies, or anything else for that matter.
It's a smartphone in the actual sense. Where does the threshold between "smartphone but not really smartphone" and "smartphone" end?
Just because it didn't cost $500-700 and can't run 10 apps at once doesn't mean it isn't a smartphone.
I don’t care how many phones Samsung shipped. I don’t use Samsung products (except for a refrigerator.) I don’t care if Android market share dwarfs that of iOS. I don’t have any Android devices. I only have one question. Analysts, haters, critics, pundits, soothsayers all squawk about market share being the death of Apple, a repeat of the Microsoft PC wars. So… is it true or not? Will developers eventually move away from iOS because of shrinking market share or not? Will fewer and fewer apps be available for iOS or not?
A loud minority squawks about marketshare. Most media praises Apple expectedly and others don't really care as long as shit works properly.
Ha ha. Earning half of Apple's profits isn't a bad place to be. Put it this way:
Half of Apple's profits = good.
Ten times the profits of Nokia, Blackberry and every other smart device manufacturer that is not using IOS or Android: bad
Android isn't making as much money as Apple, but it is the only mobile OS other than IOS that is making money at all. That is why Samsung (and everyone else) are going to stick with it. (Samsung is going to come out with Tizen devices in the next 12 months, but even they say that they do not expect for them to account for more than 15% of their mobile device sales.) And that is why all of the new smartphone and tablet manufacturers are going with Android. The only space where some manufacturers are not using Android is wearables.
The reason: simple. Smartphone users expect apps, and that means either the Apple App store or the Google Play store.