If you boot up a Mac and open a web browser with five or so page, mail app, iTunes (not playing), Pages, and Numbers -- you need just over 4 GBs of ram. That's before you've pushed PLAY in iTunes or typed anything into either iWorks app.
This means the MacBook Airs need a memory upgrade from Apple, which means the $100 price drop goes right back to Apple to get 8 GBs of RAM.
Not true. It is approx. 2.4GB for your scenario. It seems to me that you added the file cache in, which is wrong. The file cache is basically unused memory that OS X uses to cache frequently used disk pages.
Then get a MacBook Pro. Nobody plays games on a MacBook Air, nobody uses FCP on a MBA for serious work.
1) bullshit
2) the current MBA is faster than many MBP still in service. My MBP for work is about to be replaced but it's 3 years old and the 11" Core i7 2013 MBA is faster than it in terms of both CPU and GPU.
2) the current MBA is faster than many MBP still in service. My MBP for work is about to be replaced but it's 3 years old and the 11" Core i7 2013 MBA is faster than it in terms of both CPU and GPU.
HAHAHAHA living in a dream world are we! Lets see some real world tests that show this. Maybe it boots faster and things like that, but thats only because of the flash storage and nothing else. You could very easily put an SSD in a non-retina MBP too and then the difference is basically nothing.
HAHAHAHA living in a dream world are we! Lets see some real world tests that show this. Maybe it boots faster and things like that, but thats only because of the flash storage and nothing else. You could very easily put an SSD in a non-retina MBP too and then the difference is basically nothing.
More BS. The PCIe SSDs trounce SATA connected SSDs, and considering those older MBPs had SATA II it's not even a contest.
2) the current MBA is faster than many MBP still in service. My MBP for work is about to be replaced but it's 3 years old and the 11" Core i7 2013 MBA is faster than it in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Is the old one a 13"? The 15" 2011s would still be faster.
Is the old one a 13"? The 15" 2011s would still be faster.
It's a mid-2010 2.53 Ghz Core i5 with the GT330M purchased just before the early 2011's came out. My refresh was delayed a couple months and my new retina MBP is coming in the next couple days. Technically my laptop was 3.2 years old went the order for a new one went out. There was some snafu with Mavericks integration with some enterprise software so all mac refreshes were on hold for a while.
In comparison to the 2.0 Ghz Core i7 2011's the HD5000 is faster than the HD 6490M
The dual core i7 in the 2014 MBA lags behind the quad i7 in the MBP 64 bit multicore tests (6091 vs 8945) but is also much faster in the single core benchmark (3129 vs 2455).
Compared against my 2010 model (4176) or even the 2010 Core i7 model (4808) it's no contest. The base model 15" MBP got a huge upgrade in 2011.
FCP7 doesn't use more than one core although Compressor and obviously FCPX do. If you're doing ProRes 422 on FCP the 2013/2014 MBA should be faster than the 2011 MBP in most, if not all, scenarios.
As for 13" MBP…I wasn't even considering them. However an early2013 Core i5 13" MBP does not compare favorably with the mid 2013 Core i7 MBA in either CPU (5731 vs 6152 64 bit multi) or GPU (HD4000 vs HD5000). The same gen 13" MBP is a bit faster in both.
HAHAHAHA living in a dream world are we! Lets see some real world tests that show this. Maybe it boots faster and things like that, but thats only because of the flash storage and nothing else. You could very easily put an SSD in a non-retina MBP too and then the difference is basically nothing.
"The single threaded performance of the upgraded 13-inch MacBook Air is almost able to equal that of the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display. Anyone underwhelmed by Haswell should keep this in mind. What we're seeing here is a combination of IPC improvements and awesomely aggressive turbo, all within a 15W TDP."
The 11" and 13" MBA with the 1.7 Ghz i7 are essentially the same. It is faster than the 13" Core i5 Retina MBP in the iMovie 11 and FCPX Import tests and Lightroom 3 export tests.
"We included in the 2012 MacBook Air with 2.0GHz Dual-Core i7 CPU and Intel HD 4000 GPU. What's the point? If you want a light weight Apple laptop with a 13" screen and don't require a Retina display, you get just as good performance with the Core i7 MacBook Air as you do with the 13" Retina MacBook Pro Core i5 and pay $300 less on the similarly configured model (8G RAM, 256G SSD) --- and save a half a pound on weight."
Barefeats show that the 2012 i7 MBA is on par with the 2012 13" Retina MBP as well.
"The single threaded performance of the upgraded 13-inch MacBook Air is almost able to equal that of the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display. Anyone underwhelmed by Haswell should keep this in mind. What we're seeing here is a combination of IPC improvements and awesomely aggressive turbo, all within a 15W TDP."
The 11" and 13" MBA with the 1.7 Ghz i7 are essentially the same. It is faster than the 13" Core i5 Retina MBP in the iMovie 11 and FCPX Import tests and Lightroom 3 export tests.
"We included in the 2012 MacBook Air with 2.0GHz Dual-Core i7 CPU and Intel HD 4000 GPU. What's the point? If you want a light weight Apple laptop with a 13" screen and don't require a Retina display, you get just as good performance with the Core i7 MacBook Air as you do with the 13" Retina MacBook Pro Core i5 and pay $300 less on the similarly configured model (8G RAM, 256G SSD) --- and save a half a pound on weight."
Barefeats show that the 2012 i7 MBA is on par with the 2012 13" Retina MBP as well.
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Er, yes.
The fact that the iPad is the present and the future; the MacBook Air is the past.
If you boot up a Mac and open a web browser with five or so page, mail app, iTunes (not playing), Pages, and Numbers -- you need just over 4 GBs of ram. That's before you've pushed PLAY in iTunes or typed anything into either iWorks app.
This means the MacBook Airs need a memory upgrade from Apple, which means the $100 price drop goes right back to Apple to get 8 GBs of RAM.
Not true. It is approx. 2.4GB for your scenario. It seems to me that you added the file cache in, which is wrong. The file cache is basically unused memory that OS X uses to cache frequently used disk pages.
Except run windows.
Or Java.
Or Pixelmator
Or drive my 29" display at 2560 x 1080
Or XCode
Or connect to my RAID array
Or connect via Ethernet
Or run Steam and my steam games
Or run FCP
Or a gazillion other things that I won't bother listing.
Then get a MacBook Pro. Nobody plays games on a MacBook Air, nobody uses FCP on a MBA for serious work.
And it doesn't do anything an iPad can't.
Oh, so you can now run Parallels, VMWare Fusion, Virtualbox and Xcode on an iPad?
Then get a MacBook Pro. Nobody plays games on a MacBook Air, nobody uses FCP on a MBA for serious work.
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/1209-real-life-editing-experiences-with-a-macbook-air-and-final-cut-pro-x
Then get a MacBook Pro. Nobody plays games on a MacBook Air, nobody uses FCP on a MBA for serious work.
1) bullshit
2) the current MBA is faster than many MBP still in service. My MBP for work is about to be replaced but it's 3 years old and the 11" Core i7 2013 MBA is faster than it in terms of both CPU and GPU.
1) bullshit
2) the current MBA is faster than many MBP still in service. My MBP for work is about to be replaced but it's 3 years old and the 11" Core i7 2013 MBA is faster than it in terms of both CPU and GPU.
HAHAHAHA living in a dream world are we! Lets see some real world tests that show this. Maybe it boots faster and things like that, but thats only because of the flash storage and nothing else. You could very easily put an SSD in a non-retina MBP too and then the difference is basically nothing.
More BS. The PCIe SSDs trounce SATA connected SSDs, and considering those older MBPs had SATA II it's not even a contest.
1) bullshit
2) the current MBA is faster than many MBP still in service. My MBP for work is about to be replaced but it's 3 years old and the 11" Core i7 2013 MBA is faster than it in terms of both CPU and GPU.
Is the old one a 13"? The 15" 2011s would still be faster.
Is the old one a 13"? The 15" 2011s would still be faster.
It's a mid-2010 2.53 Ghz Core i5 with the GT330M purchased just before the early 2011's came out. My refresh was delayed a couple months and my new retina MBP is coming in the next couple days. Technically my laptop was 3.2 years old went the order for a new one went out. There was some snafu with Mavericks integration with some enterprise software so all mac refreshes were on hold for a while.
In comparison to the 2.0 Ghz Core i7 2011's the HD5000 is faster than the HD 6490M
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-5000.91978.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6490M.43843.0.html
The dual core i7 in the 2014 MBA lags behind the quad i7 in the MBP 64 bit multicore tests (6091 vs 8945) but is also much faster in the single core benchmark (3129 vs 2455).
Compared against my 2010 model (4176) or even the 2010 Core i7 model (4808) it's no contest. The base model 15" MBP got a huge upgrade in 2011.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook-air/specs/macbook-air-core-i7-1.7-13-early-2014-specs.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.0-15-early-2011-unibody-thunderbolt-specs.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i5-2.53-aluminum-15-mid-2010-unibody-specs.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i7-2.8-aluminum-15-mid-2010-unibody-specs.html
FCP7 doesn't use more than one core although Compressor and obviously FCPX do. If you're doing ProRes 422 on FCP the 2013/2014 MBA should be faster than the 2011 MBP in most, if not all, scenarios.
As for 13" MBP…I wasn't even considering them. However an early 2013 Core i5 13" MBP does not compare favorably with the mid 2013 Core i7 MBA in either CPU (5731 vs 6152 64 bit multi) or GPU (HD4000 vs HD5000). The same gen 13" MBP is a bit faster in both.
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/specs/macbook-pro-core-i5-2.6-13-early-2013-retina-display-specs.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook-air/specs/macbook-air-core-i7-1.7-13-mid-2013-specs.html
Huh…I said 11" MBA didn't I? Rather than change all the links the CPU is the same (i7-4650U) for both. The 11" MBA is a seriously powerful little guy.
HAHAHAHA living in a dream world are we! Lets see some real world tests that show this. Maybe it boots faster and things like that, but thats only because of the flash storage and nothing else. You could very easily put an SSD in a non-retina MBP too and then the difference is basically nothing.
"The single threaded performance of the upgraded 13-inch MacBook Air is almost able to equal that of the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display. Anyone underwhelmed by Haswell should keep this in mind. What we're seeing here is a combination of IPC improvements and awesomely aggressive turbo, all within a 15W TDP."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7113/2013-macbook-air-core-i5-4250u-vs-core-i7-4650u/2
The 11" and 13" MBA with the 1.7 Ghz i7 are essentially the same. It is faster than the 13" Core i5 Retina MBP in the iMovie 11 and FCPX Import tests and Lightroom 3 export tests.
"We included in the 2012 MacBook Air with 2.0GHz Dual-Core i7 CPU and Intel HD 4000 GPU. What's the point? If you want a light weight Apple laptop with a 13" screen and don't require a Retina display, you get just as good performance with the Core i7 MacBook Air as you do with the 13" Retina MacBook Pro Core i5 and pay $300 less on the similarly configured model (8G RAM, 256G SSD) --- and save a half a pound on weight."
Barefeats show that the 2012 i7 MBA is on par with the 2012 13" Retina MBP as well.
http://www.barefeats.com/rmbp13.html
"The single threaded performance of the upgraded 13-inch MacBook Air is almost able to equal that of the 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina Display. Anyone underwhelmed by Haswell should keep this in mind. What we're seeing here is a combination of IPC improvements and awesomely aggressive turbo, all within a 15W TDP."
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7113/2013-macbook-air-core-i5-4250u-vs-core-i7-4650u/2
The 11" and 13" MBA with the 1.7 Ghz i7 are essentially the same. It is faster than the 13" Core i5 Retina MBP in the iMovie 11 and FCPX Import tests and Lightroom 3 export tests.
"We included in the 2012 MacBook Air with 2.0GHz Dual-Core i7 CPU and Intel HD 4000 GPU. What's the point? If you want a light weight Apple laptop with a 13" screen and don't require a Retina display, you get just as good performance with the Core i7 MacBook Air as you do with the 13" Retina MacBook Pro Core i5 and pay $300 less on the similarly configured model (8G RAM, 256G SSD) --- and save a half a pound on weight."
Barefeats show that the 2012 i7 MBA is on par with the 2012 13" Retina MBP as well.
http://www.barefeats.com/rmbp13.html
I call BS!
I call BS!
It’s BareFeats; there’s no BS to call.