No kidding. And they also have QuickOffice that they acquired. They're all over the place.
Google strikes me as an overly-caffienated child in a technological candy/toy store ... They run screaming towards whatever "teh new shiney" is and play with/engorge themselves until the next thing grabs their attention. I picture the dog in "Up!" who kept thinking he saw a squirrel ... Lack of focus beyond their core strength - ad-supported search. What was it Steve Jobs said, the hardest thing to know is when to say "No..."
Google approach is to say no when they do their annual "Spring cleaning".
I like how Google has no fucking clue what direction to go in. They first removed these apps and consolidated everything into Google Drive. Now, they're bringing them back. I guess the Office thing motivated it. Oh well, competition is good.
I thought they tried to consolidate it into Google+ along with everything else.
I personally think that this is still the future. Unfortunately for Google they were way too early to the show. The tech isn't quite there nor are the masses (who still think in using a particular program for a particular task.) I'd be hard pressed not to think that at some point in the fairly near future (7-20 years) it will be browser based... or as I like to think of it, the portal to finding and manipulating information.
OT - I think that the new wolfram alpha language is going to help pave the way towards something like this.
That was tried when the iPhone launched with webapps being the only option until the App store opened around a year later.
data to back up your statement? or is this speculation?
standalone apps are not gonna go away any time soon. The storage may be cloud based, but given using a browser or an app which uses the cloud for data store, I for one will pick app every time.
If you're asking me, it's speculation. But recall that my statement was made with regard more to the mobile space.
Anecdotally, few people use mobile appliances (phone/tablets) to do heavy lifting of word processing or spreadsheets. That could change in the future.
So at present, the "masses" are more of the light/casual users...and they seem to find google docs/forms useful.
I also see medium-heavy users using pdf annotators a lot and not so much WP/Spreadsheet apps.
The heavy users are still trying to figure out what's best. I'd agree that Pages is great. I do think that KN/Pages/Numbers will dramatically increase in usage...it's just that google's hold on gmail and google docs is stronger right now.
data to back up your statement? or is this speculation?
standalone apps are not gonna go away any time soon. The storage may be cloud based, but given using a browser or an app which uses the cloud for data store, I for one will pick app every time.
If you're asking me, it's speculation. But recall that my statement was made with regard more to the mobile space.
Anecdotally, few people use mobile appliances (phone/tablets) to do heavy lifting of word processing or spreadsheets. That could change in the future.
So at present, the "masses" are more of the light/casual users...and they seem to find google docs/forms useful.
I also see medium-heavy users using pdf annotators a lot and not so much WP/Spreadsheet apps.
The heavy users are still trying to figure out what's best. I'd agree that Pages is great. I do think that KN/Pages/Numbers will dramatically increase in usage...it's just that google's hold on gmail and google docs is stronger right now.
What I like about iWork is that even when you are using iCloud for storage, you can continue to work on and edit your documents without being online. Very useful for when you are without a signal or in a place where this requires high roaming charges. When signal is restored, the changes you made get synced to iCloud. Apple photo stream works similarly. You can view and make comments on photos when you don't have signal. All of which are posted when signal is restored. Apple Email client works the same for iOS and Mac OS. compose while offline and hit send. it gets sent when signal is restored. Hopefully, sometime in the future browser Apps will work the same way. Until that happens, I'm sticking with standalone apps.
They acquired QuickOffice a while back and crippled it to death. Go read the reviews on iTunes. People are pissed. They paid $20 for something that worked and synced with everything and now they're screwed by NSA sponsored Google. Their new Sheets doesn't even have a Find/Search feature for crying out loud!
Microsoft... no. Samsung... yes. Google has no allies, only sources for eyeballs.
Google could have had Apple for an ally; Steve Jobs tried to get Eric to see that, but noooo! Google decided to compete. Now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
While this is a copy of Microsoft's play, they are going against 2 different installed bases.
Let's see... Microsoft Surface/Microsoft phone... Only has one MS Office for the Surface (anything for the phone?).
Android (iOS wannabe)... Only has Google Docs
Apple iDevices ... MS Office, Apple iWorks, Google Docs (EVERYBODY wants to be on iOS)
This is google realizing that you _may_ buy a chrome book, but it's likely you'll have an iPad or an iPhone, and if they have to compete with iWork they will eventually lose (single ecosystem). Better to keep a toe hold on users across browsers and platforms, until they figure out a winning play
to monetize writing a presentation on an iPad.
Apple, they want to be the App Store for everyone.
Meanwhile Amazon is buzzing around with no place to land. Google wants to get into your brain and own your data, while Amazon wants to get into your wallet and their platform is designed to do that very well. Where MS wants you to pay $70 to $100 per year to create content, Amazon wants you to spend $100 a year for access to buy from them (and only them) at a small extra discount...whoopee!
Google could have had Apple for an ally; Steve Jobs tried to get Eric to see that, but noooo! Google decided to compete. Now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
Are you really suggesting that Google (who smartly saw the future in mobile before anyone but Apple it seems) should've put all of their eggs into one basket?
I doubt Apple even cares, because they just want to sell more hardware.
Whether people use iWorks or not isn't really their priority.
Well I'm not so sure about Apple not caring about Google.
After the iOS 7 install on my iPhone, I noticed by accident that Apple gave Gmail access to my Notes, Contacts and Calendar. Then with an update to Google Maps I find Google very aggressive for more access to my iPhone status.
Now I'm wondering how many $$$s Google is paying Apple for privileged access to my iPhone personal Info ?
Lemme see, you convince me to spend money on R&D an start production on a product that has no other uses except for a new revolutionary device that no one else is making. I continually improve the product and while others have begun to use it you are still by far by biggest customer, and now after a few years you've decided to use another product taking away the business you initiated.
I take it you, and I define 'screwing over' very differently.
Are you really suggesting that Google (who smartly saw the future in mobile before anyone but Apple it seems) should've put all of their eggs into one basket?
Haven't you heard that Apple is a benevolent and altruistic company that would never screw over its friends?
Lemme see, you convince me to spend money on R&D an start production on a product that has no other uses except for a new revolutionary device that no one else is making. I continually improve the product and while others have begun to use it you are still by far by biggest customer, and now after a few years you've decided to use another product taking away the business you initiated.
I take it you, and I define 'screwing over' very differently.
Helped them find a use for a product sitting on the back burners, got them up and running with it, and now Corning has 80% of the market, that is Android handsets, to sell to.
Helped them find a use for a product sitting on the back burners, got them up and running with it, and now Corning has 80% of the market, that is Android handsets, to sell to.
Doesn't sound like "screwed over" much at all.
From what I understand Samsung doesn’t use them, and the other vendors sell in laughable numbers. So no, nobody is going to fill the void left by Apple.
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No kidding. And they also have QuickOffice that they acquired. They're all over the place.
Google strikes me as an overly-caffienated child in a technological candy/toy store ... They run screaming towards whatever "teh new shiney" is and play with/engorge themselves until the next thing grabs their attention. I picture the dog in "Up!" who kept thinking he saw a squirrel ... Lack of focus beyond their core strength - ad-supported search. What was it Steve Jobs said, the hardest thing to know is when to say "No..."
Google approach is to say no when they do their annual "Spring cleaning".
I like how Google has no fucking clue what direction to go in. They first removed these apps and consolidated everything into Google Drive. Now, they're bringing them back. I guess the Office thing motivated it. Oh well, competition is good.
I thought they tried to consolidate it into Google+ along with everything else.
Google project graveyard maintained by Microsoft employee:
http://www.pinterest.com/googlegraveyard/google-graveyard/
This announcement today surprised me. I wonder how long they will stick to this plan to stop scanning educational gmail accounts.
http://thenextweb.com/google/2014/04/30/google-turns-gmail-scanning-education-users-permanently-removes-ads-option/
I personally think that this is still the future. Unfortunately for Google they were way too early to the show. The tech isn't quite there nor are the masses (who still think in using a particular program for a particular task.) I'd be hard pressed not to think that at some point in the fairly near future (7-20 years) it will be browser based... or as I like to think of it, the portal to finding and manipulating information.
OT - I think that the new wolfram alpha language is going to help pave the way towards something like this.
That was tried when the iPhone launched with webapps being the only option until the App store opened around a year later.
It didn't really work too well.
data to back up your statement? or is this speculation?
standalone apps are not gonna go away any time soon. The storage may be cloud based, but given using a browser or an app which uses the cloud for data store, I for one will pick app every time.
If you're asking me, it's speculation. But recall that my statement was made with regard more to the mobile space.
Anecdotally, few people use mobile appliances (phone/tablets) to do heavy lifting of word processing or spreadsheets. That could change in the future.
So at present, the "masses" are more of the light/casual users...and they seem to find google docs/forms useful.
I also see medium-heavy users using pdf annotators a lot and not so much WP/Spreadsheet apps.
The heavy users are still trying to figure out what's best. I'd agree that Pages is great. I do think that KN/Pages/Numbers will dramatically increase in usage...it's just that google's hold on gmail and google docs is stronger right now.
data to back up your statement? or is this speculation?
standalone apps are not gonna go away any time soon. The storage may be cloud based, but given using a browser or an app which uses the cloud for data store, I for one will pick app every time.
If you're asking me, it's speculation. But recall that my statement was made with regard more to the mobile space.
Anecdotally, few people use mobile appliances (phone/tablets) to do heavy lifting of word processing or spreadsheets. That could change in the future.
So at present, the "masses" are more of the light/casual users...and they seem to find google docs/forms useful.
I also see medium-heavy users using pdf annotators a lot and not so much WP/Spreadsheet apps.
The heavy users are still trying to figure out what's best. I'd agree that Pages is great. I do think that KN/Pages/Numbers will dramatically increase in usage...it's just that google's hold on gmail and google docs is stronger right now.
What I like about iWork is that even when you are using iCloud for storage, you can continue to work on and edit your documents without being online. Very useful for when you are without a signal or in a place where this requires high roaming charges. When signal is restored, the changes you made get synced to iCloud. Apple photo stream works similarly. You can view and make comments on photos when you don't have signal. All of which are posted when signal is restored. Apple Email client works the same for iOS and Mac OS. compose while offline and hit send. it gets sent when signal is restored. Hopefully, sometime in the future browser Apps will work the same way. Until that happens, I'm sticking with standalone apps.
Google could have had Apple for an ally; Steve Jobs tried to get Eric to see that, but noooo! Google decided to compete. Now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
Let's see... Microsoft Surface/Microsoft phone... Only has one MS Office for the Surface (anything for the phone?).
Android (iOS wannabe)... Only has Google Docs
Apple iDevices ... MS Office, Apple iWorks, Google Docs (EVERYBODY wants to be on iOS)
Meanwhile Amazon is buzzing around with no place to land. Google wants to get into your brain and own your data, while Amazon wants to get into your wallet and their platform is designed to do that very well. Where MS wants you to pay $70 to $100 per year to create content, Amazon wants you to spend $100 a year for access to buy from them (and only them) at a small extra discount...whoopee!
Just like Corning? Who can say that Apple would've never screwed Google?
Google could have had Apple for an ally
Just like Corning? Who can say that Apple would've never screwed Google?
"do it to them, before they do it to you" is not a defense.
But it works
How has Apple screwed over Corning?
Google could have had Apple for an ally; Steve Jobs tried to get Eric to see that, but noooo! Google decided to compete. Now they have to sleep in the bed they made.
Are you really suggesting that Google (who smartly saw the future in mobile before anyone but Apple it seems) should've put all of their eggs into one basket?
I doubt Apple even cares, because they just want to sell more hardware.
Whether people use iWorks or not isn't really their priority.
Well I'm not so sure about Apple not caring about Google.
After the iOS 7 install on my iPhone, I noticed by accident that Apple gave Gmail access to my Notes, Contacts and Calendar. Then with an update to Google Maps I find Google very aggressive for more access to my iPhone status.
Now I'm wondering how many $$$s Google is paying Apple for privileged access to my iPhone personal Info ?
He also was very proud on the products they didn't release.
Best of luck to you in your employment endeavours.
That page must be getting a googol amount of hits.
Lemme see, you convince me to spend money on R&D an start production on a product that has no other uses except for a new revolutionary device that no one else is making. I continually improve the product and while others have begun to use it you are still by far by biggest customer, and now after a few years you've decided to use another product taking away the business you initiated.
I take it you, and I define 'screwing over' very differently.
Haven't you heard that Apple is a benevolent and altruistic company that would never screw over its friends?
Lemme see, you convince me to spend money on R&D an start production on a product that has no other uses except for a new revolutionary device that no one else is making. I continually improve the product and while others have begun to use it you are still by far by biggest customer, and now after a few years you've decided to use another product taking away the business you initiated.
I take it you, and I define 'screwing over' very differently.
Helped them find a use for a product sitting on the back burners, got them up and running with it, and now Corning has 80% of the market, that is Android handsets, to sell to.
Doesn't sound like "screwed over" much at all.
From what I understand Samsung doesn’t use them, and the other vendors sell in laughable numbers. So no, nobody is going to fill the void left by Apple.