That chart: Adobe Reader needs to die. It's the slowest and most unstable piece of software I've ever been forced to use. The fact that some PDFs require Adobe Reader to be opened properly is so sad.
Yup. Its dosgsting how it can't even scroll simple PDFs smoothly. Choppy as ****, always. Preview is night and day. Such a bloated, insecure piece of shit software.
seems to me we are witnessing that same sort of problem we saw with the progression of Adobe Flash. Wonder how much of this is due to Adobe's need to keep doing development on a product in order to force upgrades. I guess they simply can't figure out how to stop development on a product before it becomes a basket case from overdevelopment. The fact that we have a "Portable Document Format" keeps changing and generates incompatible documents unless you have the latest version, is sad. We are no better off then we were with incompatible Office document versions, IMHO.
The fact that we have a "Portable Document Format" keeps changing and generates incompatible documents unless you have the latest version, is sad.
If the latest version of Reader is free, how is that any different from Apple constantly updating their software? The last paid version of iWork is not compatible with the new iWork documents and the new iWork is not even compatible with older Macs that can only run Lion.
I have never use Office for personal use because there are acceptable free alternatives like Google Drive. Windows is also heavy weight an if you are using the free tier at Amazon AWS then a you already know that a Windows instance is useless.
SoftWatch should have stated that companies can save a lot of money by simply using LibreOffice or OpenOffice FOR FREE as a replacement for Microsoft Office.
Then companies wouldn't even have to pay Google's business fees for cloud services.
SoftWatch should have stated that companies can save a lot of money by simply using LibreOffice or OpenOffice FOR FREE as a replacement for Microsoft Office.
Then companies wouldn't even have to pay Google's business fees for cloud services.
Windows has about 91% desktop market share (source). That's about the same as two years ago. Is that what you call 'dying'? Windows 8 may not have taken off as MS would have expected, but Windows still has an absolute stranglehold in the desktop market.
Likewise, Office still has a stranglehold in the corporate environment. Web-based alternatives like Google Apps or competing products like iWork may be gaining in popularity among consumers, but it is the corporate space where the money is made.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, it doesn't get paid when its existing installed base of Windows owners browse the web. You're pointing to web stats, not market share.
Microsoft could vanish as a company entirely and there would still be hundreds of millions of PCs touching the world's web servers for many years.
The fact that we have a "Portable Document Format" keeps changing and generates incompatible documents unless you have the latest version, is sad.
If the latest version of Reader is free, how is that any different from Apple constantly updating their software? The last paid version of iWork is not compatible with the new iWork documents and the new iWork is not even compatible with older Macs that can only run Lion.
sorry. are you trying to debate with me that the document that iWorks produces are supposed to be an portable format and are not? no contest. Where did you ever get that idea?
also, lets not confuse free with "Portable". iWorks is free, no one said its portable. So is Acrobat Reader. If you send me a PDF document via email and I can't read it on my iOS, OS X, Windows, Linux device without requirement me to go get and install latest version of Acrobat Reader, then I'd say it ceases to be portable. BTW, Microsoft provides Free MS-Word Doc reader, I suppose by your deductive reason that this also makes all MS Word documents Portable?
sorry. are you trying to debate with me that the document that iWorks produces are supposed to be an portable format and are not? no contest. Where did you ever get that idea?
iWork is truly not portable at all. It is not even compatible with the recently past version of iWork or even the recently past OS X. Adobe fully supports Acrobat Reader on every platform even legacy. Why not upgrade your Reader to the latest version? To not do so is illogical. It is free and has all the latest compatibility and security updates.
sorry. are you trying to debate with me that the document that iWorks produces are supposed to be an portable format and are not? no contest. Where did you ever get that idea?
iWork is truly not portable at all. It is not even compatible with the recently past version of iWork or even the recently past OS X. Adobe fully supports Acrobat Reader on every platform even legacy. Why not upgrade your Reader to the latest version? To not do so is illogical. It is free and has all the latest compatibility and security updates.
sending me a document which requires me to go get and install first party software by definition makes it not portable. Making something free, does not make it portable either.
people send me email with JPEGs and HTML, I don't need to go get a third party plug in see this content on pretty much any platform and any email client without requirement to install any first party software. That is portability.
Bullshit survey that doesn't take into account the cost of process re-engineering, staff re-training, and re-negotiation of support contracts yields bullshit results.
Nonsense. Office is iniquitous. Even if you're not using all of Office or none at all, you're using a suite that touts a degree of Office File Compatibility.
I can't tell whether you really meant "iniquitous", which means "grossly unfair and morally wrong", or you meant to type "ubiquitous, which means "present, appearing, or found everywhere". Both meanings are absolutely true of Microsoft Software.
people send me email with JPEGs and HTML, I don't need to go get a third party plug in see this content on pretty much any platform and any email client without requirement to install any first party software. That is portability.
There are plenty of exceptions. Safari is pretty good as is Apple Mail but for example a .jpg saved accidentally in CMYK will not display in IE nor will an animated GIF display in Outlook and many HTML emails will fail in various mail clients especially HTML5. It is pointless for me to continue to discuss this with you as your Adobe hated has completely clouded in objectivity that you might normally have.
people send me email with JPEGs and HTML, I don't need to go get a third party plug in see this content on pretty much any platform and any email client without requirement to install any first party software. That is portability.
There are plenty of exceptions. Safari is pretty good as is Apple Mail but for example a .jpg saved accidentally in CMYK will not display in IE nor will an animated GIF display in Outlook and many HTML emails will fail in various mail clients especially HTML5. It is pointless for me to continue to discuss this with you as your Adobe hated has completely clouded in objectivity that you might normally have.
you are confusing objectivity with hatred. I think PDF is great. They just need to stop changing it in pursuit of profits via continual upgrade cycles to stay current. Continually pushing it makes it no better than Flash. Both from portability and security. PDF was establish as a good portable format years ago. They should have stopped there. Now they are embedding Flash, 3D objects and all sorts of crap into it which makes its less than portable. Just how in the heck am I support to view latest PDF with embedded Flash on a device with no flash support?
SoftWatch should have stated that companies can save a lot of money by simply using LibreOffice or OpenOffice FOR FREE as a replacement for Microsoft Office.
Neither of those products is a replacement for Microsoft Office. They are poor substitutes, particularly the equivalents to Excel which are nowhere near as powerful.
Not to mention that many companies are simply not going to use open-source desktop software.
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That chart: Adobe Reader needs to die. It's the slowest and most unstable piece of software I've ever been forced to use. The fact that some PDFs require Adobe Reader to be opened properly is so sad.
Yup. Its dosgsting how it can't even scroll simple PDFs smoothly. Choppy as ****, always. Preview is night and day. Such a bloated, insecure piece of shit software.
seems to me we are witnessing that same sort of problem we saw with the progression of Adobe Flash. Wonder how much of this is due to Adobe's need to keep doing development on a product in order to force upgrades. I guess they simply can't figure out how to stop development on a product before it becomes a basket case from overdevelopment. The fact that we have a "Portable Document Format" keeps changing and generates incompatible documents unless you have the latest version, is sad. We are no better off then we were with incompatible Office document versions, IMHO.
If the latest version of Reader is free, how is that any different from Apple constantly updating their software? The last paid version of iWork is not compatible with the new iWork documents and the new iWork is not even compatible with older Macs that can only run Lion.
SoftWatch should have stated that companies can save a lot of money by simply using LibreOffice or OpenOffice FOR FREE as a replacement for Microsoft Office.
Then companies wouldn't even have to pay Google's business fees for cloud services.
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2014/031914-google-apps-279871.html
Microsoft is paying attention.
I just picked up Notability for my iDevices. Looks very good, and it's free.
Just did the same on the basis of the mention here.
No. They're not.
Windows has about 91% desktop market share (source). That's about the same as two years ago. Is that what you call 'dying'? Windows 8 may not have taken off as MS would have expected, but Windows still has an absolute stranglehold in the desktop market.
Likewise, Office still has a stranglehold in the corporate environment. Web-based alternatives like Google Apps or competing products like iWork may be gaining in popularity among consumers, but it is the corporate space where the money is made.
Unfortunately for Microsoft, it doesn't get paid when its existing installed base of Windows owners browse the web. You're pointing to web stats, not market share.
Microsoft could vanish as a company entirely and there would still be hundreds of millions of PCs touching the world's web servers for many years.
If the latest version of Reader is free, how is that any different from Apple constantly updating their software? The last paid version of iWork is not compatible with the new iWork documents and the new iWork is not even compatible with older Macs that can only run Lion.
sorry. are you trying to debate with me that the document that iWorks produces are supposed to be an portable format and are not? no contest. Where did you ever get that idea?
also, lets not confuse free with "Portable". iWorks is free, no one said its portable. So is Acrobat Reader. If you send me a PDF document via email and I can't read it on my iOS, OS X, Windows, Linux device without requirement me to go get and install latest version of Acrobat Reader, then I'd say it ceases to be portable. BTW, Microsoft provides Free MS-Word Doc reader, I suppose by your deductive reason that this also makes all MS Word documents Portable?
iWork is truly not portable at all. It is not even compatible with the recently past version of iWork or even the recently past OS X. Adobe fully supports Acrobat Reader on every platform even legacy. Why not upgrade your Reader to the latest version? To not do so is illogical. It is free and has all the latest compatibility and security updates.
iWork is truly not portable at all. It is not even compatible with the recently past version of iWork or even the recently past OS X. Adobe fully supports Acrobat Reader on every platform even legacy. Why not upgrade your Reader to the latest version? To not do so is illogical. It is free and has all the latest compatibility and security updates.
sending me a document which requires me to go get and install first party software by definition makes it not portable. Making something free, does not make it portable either.
people send me email with JPEGs and HTML, I don't need to go get a third party plug in see this content on pretty much any platform and any email client without requirement to install any first party software. That is portability.
while you are picking on iWork not running on Lion, you may want to go check out of the latest "free" portable Acrobat Reader runs on Lion.
I'll save you the trouble. It doesn't.
Nonsense. Office is iniquitous. Even if you're not using all of Office or none at all, you're using a suite that touts a degree of Office File Compatibility.
I can't tell whether you really meant "iniquitous", which means "grossly unfair and morally wrong", or you meant to type "ubiquitous, which means "present, appearing, or found everywhere". Both meanings are absolutely true of Microsoft Software.
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I don't know anyone in my industry who is not using Word exclusively, except for a lot of older attorneys who will never give up wordperfect.
This sound like complete bs to me.
There are plenty of exceptions. Safari is pretty good as is Apple Mail but for example a .jpg saved accidentally in CMYK will not display in IE nor will an animated GIF display in Outlook and many HTML emails will fail in various mail clients especially HTML5. It is pointless for me to continue to discuss this with you as your Adobe hated has completely clouded in objectivity that you might normally have.
I am an iWork user. I think it is awesome nowadays.
I have no need for MS Office nor Google Docs.
I read that Google Docs for iOS is garbage.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/google-docs-and-sheets-mobile-mark-new-low-241676
There are plenty of exceptions. Safari is pretty good as is Apple Mail but for example a .jpg saved accidentally in CMYK will not display in IE nor will an animated GIF display in Outlook and many HTML emails will fail in various mail clients especially HTML5. It is pointless for me to continue to discuss this with you as your Adobe hated has completely clouded in objectivity that you might normally have.
you are confusing objectivity with hatred. I think PDF is great. They just need to stop changing it in pursuit of profits via continual upgrade cycles to stay current. Continually pushing it makes it no better than Flash. Both from portability and security. PDF was establish as a good portable format years ago. They should have stopped there. Now they are embedding Flash, 3D objects and all sorts of crap into it which makes its less than portable. Just how in the heck am I support to view latest PDF with embedded Flash on a device with no flash support?
I don't think this problem is unique to Adobe.
I'll save you the trouble. It doesn't.
Really? I thought 11.006 was the most recent and that runs on 10.5.8
I'll save you the trouble. It doesn't.
Really? I thought 11.006 was the most recent and that runs on 10.5.8
you must be looking at some other info. 10.5.8 supported versions are Acrobat 9.x and 10.x. Linux only goes up to Acrobat Read 9.x
SoftWatch should have stated that companies can save a lot of money by simply using LibreOffice or OpenOffice FOR FREE as a replacement for Microsoft Office.
Neither of those products is a replacement for Microsoft Office. They are poor substitutes, particularly the equivalents to Excel which are nowhere near as powerful.
Not to mention that many companies are simply not going to use open-source desktop software.