Whatever. Where are all the trolls who claimed Apple spent more on attorneys' fees than they won in this judgment? Even though Quinn Emanuel and partners charged Samsung a higher hourly rate (across the board) than Apple's lawyers. And now Samsung is going to spend even more to reduce or eliminate the $120M judgment on top of what they've already spent on both trials which they lost, and yet all the trolls wanna focus on is Apple's supposed "pyrrhic victory"? Please. Do the math. Apple is 2 for 2.
Someone asked the question regarding attorney fees, they weren't making a statement. If your going to do the math then Apple got 5% of what they were asking for in this trial. In the first trial also fell short. Damages are the only math that matter. Everyone is trying to spin in their head how Apple is winning they aren't.
The massive judgement and damages the world has ever seen is never going to come. Samsung clearly has a set strategy they will continue to pound Apple with appeals while making more money then they pay out.
Apple and Samsung need to agree on a settlement and move forward.
Someone asked the question regarding attorney fees, they weren't making a statement. If your going to do the math then Apple got 5% of what they were asking for in this trial. In the first trial also fell short. Damages are the only math that matter. Everyone is trying to spin in their head how Apple is winning they aren't.
The massive judgement and damages the world has ever seen is never going to come. Samsung clearly has a set strategy they will continue to pound Apple with appeals while making more money then they pay out.
Apple and Samsung need to agree on a settlement and move forward.
They need to agree on a settlement but Samsung will never do that. The longer they can draw this out and make Apple look like the bad guy more interested in litigating than innovating (again NOT my opinion but the media spin that's out there) the better it is for them. I'm sure Samsung lawyers had a huge smile on their faces when the jury foreman questioned why Apple isn't suing Google instead.
Whatever. Where are all the trolls who claimed Apple spent more on attorneys' fees than they won in this judgment?
IIRC it was SolipsismX that brought it up here first. I don't think you or anyone else would consider him a troll. In fact he's one of the more balanced posters here IMO.
That "troll" meme is being used so much at AI it barely has any meaning or impact anymore. Seems as tho it's more often used simply as a lazy attempt at being dismissive when a rational considered response is just too much of an effort.
Someone asked the question regarding attorney fees, they weren't making a statement. If your going to do the math then Apple got 5% of what they were asking for in this trial. In the first trial also fell short. Damages are the only math that matter. Everyone is trying to spin in their head how Apple is winning they aren't.
The massive judgement and damages the world has ever seen is never going to come. Samsung clearly has a set strategy they will continue to pound Apple with appeals while making more money then they pay out.
Apple and Samsung need to agree on a settlement and move forward.
I don't think it's about the money to Samsung, it's about crushing their competitors. Pay the money to the lawyers. Pay the money to the courts. But whatever you do, avoid paying money to the people you've stolen from.
The google to sue samsung for their crappy touchwiz android software. I don't like samsung's touchwiz android software. So please shut up samsung and to pay damn your bills.
Thanks GTR for the article, amazing! What if all of the big players who have been getting ripped off by Samsung got together to fight Samscum collectively?
People keep thinking this is all about Samsung vs. Apple, which is far from the truth. This is more about Samsung's business plan to profit by stealing everyone's IP, and tie up lawsuits in court while they continue profiting from those products.
To-date, no one has had wallets deep enough to stand up to Samsung for the long term. Now, Apple is in the perfect position to do just that. Apple is representing not just themselves, but the the Bosches, Dysons, and Pioneers of the world too. Someone is finally standing up and saying "enough is enough".
Good for Apple. I truly hope Apple takes it to the very end, scorching Samsung in the process. They certainly deserve it.
That vanity fair article simply proved what many people already know about Samsung. When it comes to purchasing any kind of product, be it electronics or appliances, Samsung is immediately not included in our purchasing decisions. I will not directly purchase anything with their name on it. Screw those degenerates.
Whatever. Where are all the trolls who claimed Apple spent more on attorneys' fees than they won in this judgment?
I'm not sure about here, but I've seen figures bantered around from over $100 million to as high as $600 million.
The first case cost Apple somewhere around $60 million. They applied to the court to have Samsung pay a portion of the fees, and had to provide an accurate account of the expenses.
I'm quite sure this case cost them significantly less. The first case involved a lot of discovery, and I'm sure that a good portion of the evidence they dug up the first time around would have been applicable to this case. When lawyers are looking for evidence, they don't know where it is or what they'll find - they simply get as many documents as possible and then sift through them looking for items that pertain to the case at hand. Any juicy bits they find not related to the trial (but possible related to other infringement) would simply get documented and filed away.
So it's quite reasonable to assume that this case cost them less than $60 million. By how much we don't know.
So even with a $119 million payout, Apple still comes ahead financially even thought the most important aspect is chalking up a win.
People keep thinking this is all about Samsung vs. Apple, which is far from the truth. This is more about Samsung's business plan to profit by stealing everyone's IP, and tie up lawsuits in court while they continue profiting from those products.
To-date, no one has had wallets deep enough to stand up to Samsung for the long term. Now, Apple is in the perfect position to do just that. Apple is representing not just themselves, but the the Bosches, Dysons, and Pioneers of the world too. Someone is finally standing up and saying "enough is enough".
Good for Apple. I truly hope Apple takes it to the very end, scorching Samsung in the process. They certainly deserve it.
That vanity fair article simply proved what many people already know about Samsung. When it comes to purchasing any kind of product, be it electronics or appliances, Samsung is immediately not included in our purchasing decisions. I will not directly purchase anything with their name on it. Screw those degenerates.
It's an exercise in futility. Take this lawsuit as an example. 100 million? That's fucking pennies to Samsung, and it's going to get appealed and possibly even lowered. Samsung has gotten the message that it can get away with this- and it has done so. Doesn't help that most jurors do not really understand this shit, nor do they have proper context of technological history- and Samsung is great and obfuscating the issues and muddying everything by throwing counter-accusations and lawsuits. Even if Apple was awarded the full $2.2Billion (VERY reasonable damages, given how much Samsung has profited) it would still be nothing. The only positive thing about this is that Apple is forcing Samsung to burn a fuckload of money on legal fees. Thats literally the most damage I see being done.
That "troll" meme is being used so much at AI it barely has any meaning or impact anymore. Seems as tho it's more often used simply as a lazy attempt at being dismissive when a rational considered response is just too much of an effort.
Any Samsung fans should have a good read about the company that makes their choice of smartphone/tablet.
(Thanks to Sol for passing this on to me)
And this right here says it all:
I represented Samsung and they couldn’t tell the truth if their lives depended on it.” - Sam Baxter, a patent lawyer who once handled a case for Samsung.
The Apple vs Samsung goes to show how useless the USPTO and the FTC can be when faced with a company that has no regard for the law. Apple should invest in a baseball bat and aim for the knees.
Samsung is as shameless as it gets. The problem with this trial is it had nothing to do with Samsung. All the patents used are all core to android not touchwiz.
They need to agree on a settlement but Samsung will never do that. The longer they can draw this out and make Apple look like the bad guy more interested in litigating than innovating (again NOT my opinion but the media spin that's out there) the better it is for them. I'm sure Samsung lawyers had a huge smile on their faces when the jury foreman questioned why Apple isn't suing Google instead.
The Google issue is a good way and will continue to be a good way to confuse a jury, or I should say to cast doubt which is really all Samsung needs to do. Just my opinion but I think Samsung is going to drag this out and ride on the back of Apple until they can get away from using their modified Android OS and move over to a platform they design. Honestly if you look at Samsung's UI over Kit Kat it looks like Windows 8.
Not sure how long this will go on but a settlement would be nice, Samsung makes high quality components and I would rather see them as a supplier over LG or Sharp.
Someone asked the question regarding attorney fees, they weren't making a statement. If your going to do the math then Apple got 5% of what they were asking for in this trial. In the first trial also fell short. Damages are the only math that matter. Everyone is trying to spin in their head how Apple is winning they aren't.
The massive judgement and damages the world has ever seen is never going to come. Samsung clearly has a set strategy they will continue to pound Apple with appeals while making more money then they pay out.
Apple and Samsung need to agree on a settlement and move forward.
No. If you had bothered to read the Vanity Fair article that someone linked, you would see that settlement is Samsung's end game. Settlement means Apple accepts and condones infringement of its IP rights. Nice try.
No. If you had bothered to read the Vanity Fair article that someone linked, you would see that settlement is Samsung's end game. Settlement means Apple accepts and condones infringement of its IP rights. Nice try.
What I say I am going bust the samsung's rear. I don't like any Samsung products because the samsung products are garbage.
Re: the Samsung practices in the Vanity Fair article.
I think the fact that they have these dishonest business practices, and that they can't design original things, are related. To design something truly new you have to ignore what has been done in the past and take a fresh look at reality. How good your design is will depend on your imagination, yes, but also on how clearly you see the facts. In other words good design requires fidelity to facts. But honesty is fidelity to facts too. So it's not surprising that a company as dishonest as that described in the article also does not come up with revolutionary designs.
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Whatever. Where are all the trolls who claimed Apple spent more on attorneys' fees than they won in this judgment? Even though Quinn Emanuel and partners charged Samsung a higher hourly rate (across the board) than Apple's lawyers. And now Samsung is going to spend even more to reduce or eliminate the $120M judgment on top of what they've already spent on both trials which they lost, and yet all the trolls wanna focus on is Apple's supposed "pyrrhic victory"? Please. Do the math. Apple is 2 for 2.
Someone asked the question regarding attorney fees, they weren't making a statement. If your going to do the math then Apple got 5% of what they were asking for in this trial. In the first trial also fell short. Damages are the only math that matter. Everyone is trying to spin in their head how Apple is winning they aren't.
The massive judgement and damages the world has ever seen is never going to come. Samsung clearly has a set strategy they will continue to pound Apple with appeals while making more money then they pay out.
Apple and Samsung need to agree on a settlement and move forward.
IIRC it was SolipsismX that brought it up here first. I don't think you or anyone else would consider him a troll. In fact he's one of the more balanced posters here IMO.
That "troll" meme is being used so much at AI it barely has any meaning or impact anymore. Seems as tho it's more often used simply as a lazy attempt at being dismissive when a rational considered response is just too much of an effort.
Someone asked the question regarding attorney fees, they weren't making a statement. If your going to do the math then Apple got 5% of what they were asking for in this trial. In the first trial also fell short. Damages are the only math that matter. Everyone is trying to spin in their head how Apple is winning they aren't.
The massive judgement and damages the world has ever seen is never going to come. Samsung clearly has a set strategy they will continue to pound Apple with appeals while making more money then they pay out.
Apple and Samsung need to agree on a settlement and move forward.
I don't think it's about the money to Samsung, it's about crushing their competitors. Pay the money to the lawyers. Pay the money to the courts. But whatever you do, avoid paying money to the people you've stolen from.
Thanks GTR for the article, amazing! What if all of the big players who have been getting ripped off by Samsung got together to fight Samscum collectively?
People keep thinking this is all about Samsung vs. Apple, which is far from the truth. This is more about Samsung's business plan to profit by stealing everyone's IP, and tie up lawsuits in court while they continue profiting from those products.
To-date, no one has had wallets deep enough to stand up to Samsung for the long term. Now, Apple is in the perfect position to do just that. Apple is representing not just themselves, but the the Bosches, Dysons, and Pioneers of the world too. Someone is finally standing up and saying "enough is enough".
Good for Apple. I truly hope Apple takes it to the very end, scorching Samsung in the process. They certainly deserve it.
That vanity fair article simply proved what many people already know about Samsung. When it comes to purchasing any kind of product, be it electronics or appliances, Samsung is immediately not included in our purchasing decisions. I will not directly purchase anything with their name on it. Screw those degenerates.
Whatever. Where are all the trolls who claimed Apple spent more on attorneys' fees than they won in this judgment?
I'm not sure about here, but I've seen figures bantered around from over $100 million to as high as $600 million.
The first case cost Apple somewhere around $60 million. They applied to the court to have Samsung pay a portion of the fees, and had to provide an accurate account of the expenses.
I'm quite sure this case cost them significantly less. The first case involved a lot of discovery, and I'm sure that a good portion of the evidence they dug up the first time around would have been applicable to this case. When lawyers are looking for evidence, they don't know where it is or what they'll find - they simply get as many documents as possible and then sift through them looking for items that pertain to the case at hand. Any juicy bits they find not related to the trial (but possible related to other infringement) would simply get documented and filed away.
So it's quite reasonable to assume that this case cost them less than $60 million. By how much we don't know.
So even with a $119 million payout, Apple still comes ahead financially even thought the most important aspect is chalking up a win.
People keep thinking this is all about Samsung vs. Apple, which is far from the truth. This is more about Samsung's business plan to profit by stealing everyone's IP, and tie up lawsuits in court while they continue profiting from those products.
To-date, no one has had wallets deep enough to stand up to Samsung for the long term. Now, Apple is in the perfect position to do just that. Apple is representing not just themselves, but the the Bosches, Dysons, and Pioneers of the world too. Someone is finally standing up and saying "enough is enough".
Good for Apple. I truly hope Apple takes it to the very end, scorching Samsung in the process. They certainly deserve it.
That vanity fair article simply proved what many people already know about Samsung. When it comes to purchasing any kind of product, be it electronics or appliances, Samsung is immediately not included in our purchasing decisions. I will not directly purchase anything with their name on it. Screw those degenerates.
It's an exercise in futility. Take this lawsuit as an example. 100 million? That's fucking pennies to Samsung, and it's going to get appealed and possibly even lowered. Samsung has gotten the message that it can get away with this- and it has done so. Doesn't help that most jurors do not really understand this shit, nor do they have proper context of technological history- and Samsung is great and obfuscating the issues and muddying everything by throwing counter-accusations and lawsuits. Even if Apple was awarded the full $2.2Billion (VERY reasonable damages, given how much Samsung has profited) it would still be nothing. The only positive thing about this is that Apple is forcing Samsung to burn a fuckload of money on legal fees. Thats literally the most damage I see being done.
That "troll" meme is being used so much at AI it barely has any meaning or impact anymore. Seems as tho it's more often used simply as a lazy attempt at being dismissive when a rational considered response is just too much of an effort.
Now you're just being racist.
Here's an interesting article on Samsung and how they work:
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/06/apple-samsung-smartphone-patent-war.print
Any Samsung fans should have a good read about the company that makes their choice of smartphone/tablet.
(Thanks to Sol for passing this on to me)
And this right here says it all:
I represented Samsung and they couldn’t tell the truth if their lives depended on it.” - Sam Baxter, a patent lawyer who once handled a case for Samsung.
The Apple vs Samsung goes to show how useless the USPTO and the FTC can be when faced with a company that has no regard for the law. Apple should invest in a baseball bat and aim for the knees.
They need to agree on a settlement but Samsung will never do that. The longer they can draw this out and make Apple look like the bad guy more interested in litigating than innovating (again NOT my opinion but the media spin that's out there) the better it is for them. I'm sure Samsung lawyers had a huge smile on their faces when the jury foreman questioned why Apple isn't suing Google instead.
The Google issue is a good way and will continue to be a good way to confuse a jury, or I should say to cast doubt which is really all Samsung needs to do. Just my opinion but I think Samsung is going to drag this out and ride on the back of Apple until they can get away from using their modified Android OS and move over to a platform they design. Honestly if you look at Samsung's UI over Kit Kat it looks like Windows 8.
Not sure how long this will go on but a settlement would be nice, Samsung makes high quality components and I would rather see them as a supplier over LG or Sharp.
Period!
Crime pays and money talks !
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No. If you had bothered to read the Vanity Fair article that someone linked, you would see that settlement is Samsung's end game. Settlement means Apple accepts and condones infringement of its IP rights. Nice try.
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Re: the Samsung practices in the Vanity Fair article.
I think the fact that they have these dishonest business practices, and that they can't design original things, are related. To design something truly new you have to ignore what has been done in the past and take a fresh look at reality. How good your design is will depend on your imagination, yes, but also on how clearly you see the facts. In other words good design requires fidelity to facts. But honesty is fidelity to facts too. So it's not surprising that a company as dishonest as that described in the article also does not come up with revolutionary designs.