Rumored 'iPhone 6' dummy compared to iPhone 5s as more alleged 3D renders leak online

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  • Reply 61 of 168
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    alexis wrote: »
    How pissed are people and investors going to be if all of these rumors are completely wrong and the next iPhone only has a 4" screen like it does now??

    I mean, I'm up for an upgrade so this fall, I'm getting one, but I'm not going to be disappointed, personally, if the screen size doesn't change, but I think the tech pundits will.

    The neatest rendering of an iPhone 6 that I saw and liked had a screen that literally went to the edges and you could see the edge of the screen on the side of hte device. I'm curious (because I'm not an engineer), is that even possible? I'll try to find the picture and post it in here. :-)
    I'll be disappointed, but not pissed. That said- the odds of only a 4" is looking like an impossibility.
    I hope they keep a 4", but I don't think they will.
  • Reply 62 of 168
    lorin schultzlorin schultz Posts: 2,733member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by freediverx View Post

     
    The "specs vs. user experience" argument predates the first iPhone by many years, and anyone so unfamiliar with the concept is not qualified to proclaim themselves as an Apple advocate.


     

    Nonsense. Sometimes Apple makes decisions about user experience that turn out to be short of ideal so they evolve the design over time. Want proof? Look at their mouses over the last ten years.

     

    Further, sometimes specs have meaning. Blindly dismissing them with the "user experience" matra is presuming a non-existent dichotomy. For example, Apple's choice to downgrade the GPU in the mini may not have affected the "user experience" for a large percentage of its users, but what about those whose use of the machine WAS diminished by the change? It's silly to accuse them of arguing specs over user experience, because the specs AFFECT the user experience. They're not separable.

     

    It's perfectly reasonable for one to be a fan of an Apple product while also wishing for improved "specs."

  • Reply 63 of 168
    hardudihardudi Posts: 3member

    may be they could use screen lights, not sure !! any way it's not a critical feature

  • Reply 64 of 168
    eric38eric38 Posts: 100member
    jason98 wrote: »
    Well iphone 5 was already too long and could not fit a shirt pocket unlike iPhone 4. But this freaking monster is even longer. Just get rid of the bezels and make the finger print sensor built into the screen, and if the tech is not ready, keep the current screen size.

    If they did what you recommend and release the iphone6 with a 4" screen, Apple's stock price would drop 25% overnight and they'd see very limited growth in iPhone sales. The numbers don't lie. Study after study shows that the majority of smartphone buyers are choosing phones with 5"+ screens. It's not what I think...it's a fact. I just hope that they release a 4" iPhone with the same internals as the iphone6, as 20%+ of smartphone buyers are like you and they want the smaller screen.

    By releasing 2 bigger phones, apple's only major threat in the smartphone market will see a 50% drop in high-end smartphone sales. They are going to literally destroy Samsung just by making the screen on the iPhone larger. It's amazing that it's that simple, but it is. Samsung has already felt the effects of a bigger iPhone just by the rumors. A month after the S5 was released Samsung was selling their top-of-the-line phone for half price. Sales of the s5 have to be horrendous to cause Samsung to give away an S5 for free with the purchase of one. Aside from the fact that the S5 is essentially an S4 with a very poor fingerprint sensor, the sales are weak because many consumers are waiting for Apple to release the bigger iPhone.
  • Reply 65 of 168
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    Originally Posted by Eric38 View Post





    If they did what you recommend and release the iphone6 with a 4" screen, Apple's stock price would drop 25% overnight and they'd see very limited growth in iPhone sales. The numbers don't lie. Study after study shows that the majority of smartphone buyers are choosing phones with 5"+ screens. It's not what I think...it's a fact. I just hope that they release a 4" iPhone with the same internals as the iphone6, as 20%+ of smartphone buyers are like you and they want the smaller screen.



    By releasing 2 bigger phones, apple's only major threat in the smartphone market will see a 50% drop in high-end smartphone sales. They are going to literally destroy Samsung just by making the screen on the iPhone larger. It's amazing that it's that simple, but it is. Samsung has already felt the effects of a bigger iPhone just by the rumors. A month after the S5 was released Samsung was selling their top-of-the-line phone for half price. Sales of the s5 have to be horrendous to cause Samsung to give away an S5 for free with the purchase of one. Aside from the fact that the S5 is essentially an S4 with a very poor fingerprint sensor, the sales are weak because many consumers are waiting for Apple to release the bigger iPhone.



    I agree. The media would eviscerate Apple.

     

    And as for releasing an iPhone with a larger screen, that would put the old kibosh on the "The Next Big Thing Is Here" mantra.

  • Reply 66 of 168

    If what your saying is true, that might explain the single flash. One thing's for sure, Apple will only make improvements.

     

    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post





    I keep seeing people say this, but it makes no sense. Obviously the two-"LED" flash was an interim solution based on off-the shelf parts. Remember that these "LED"s aren't really LEDs—they're fluorescent lights that just happen to be pumped by a blue LED instead of a mercury-vapor tube. You can get any spectrum you want by using different mixtures of phosphors. A standard "LED" light like my little reading light in the bedroom has that big spike in the blue from the LED, and then a hump in the red and orange from the phosphor, with a gigantic slump in the middle—the overall effect is supposed to vaguely remind you of a blackbody curve for natural sunlight. Obviously for photography this is no good—Apple briefly supplemented that missing yellow and green with a second "LED", but obviously now they can acquire full-spectrum single units.



    Maybe someday we'll have real LEDs that are bright enough so that combinations of red, green and blue can give us the LED lights we thought we were waiting for all these years, without the limitations of at most 4% efficiency and phosphor aging like these bogus "LED"s.

  • Reply 67 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post





    I would agree, but why is there a mute button on the side then?

    The competition couldn't Beat that, yeah. (they even filled for a patent on the leaf in their logo)



    It makes sense to move the power button from the top to the side as it makes it easier to press. So it looks like Apple is indeed working on a larger phone size.

  • Reply 68 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

     

     

    Uh, in your opinion. I, (and most other people I'm sure) believe they look gorgeous. They've kept the same general design since the iPhone 4- it's been 4 years. What the hell is wrong with changing things up slightly, even if the iPhone 4 design looks good? There still isn't a phone on the market that looks like the leaked renders anyway, and removing squared edges will definitely improve comfort and ergonomics.  Re Dual-Led flash, you're making alot of assumptions there. Maybe they figured out how to integrate the dual leds? 




    The iPhone 5 was a very different design to the iPhone 4. So the iPhone 6 may be different too. I'm not against changing it. In fact, although the chamfered edge looks beautiful when the iPhone 5 is new, they soon get scuffed. And I agree - rounded corners make more sense for a bigger phone. Until we see a real iPhone 6, I guess we can't really know how it will look. It will depend on the finishing for one thing. I'm all for a bigger screen - I spend a lot more time using my iPhone for things other than making calls. So the rumours of a bigger iPhone are great. Perhaps you're right, Apple may have figured out a way to use a single flash that's as good, or better, than the current one.

  • Reply 69 of 168
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by jason98 View Post

    But this freaking monster is even longer. Just get rid of the bezels and make the finger print sensor built into the screen, and if the tech is not ready, keep the current screen size.

     

    The tech will never be ready. That’s just not possible.

     

    Originally Posted by gwmac View Post

    the 5s reborn in plastic as the 6c. 


     

    Thanks for showing that you still have absolutely no comprehension whatsoever of what products Apple sells.

     



    Originally Posted by jimbo1mcm View Post

    I have owned an Iphone 4, 4s, 5, 5s, an Ipad 1,2,3 and currently have an Ipad Air. I also have an Imac and Mac Mini and am typing this on a Retina Macbook pro, not to mention 4 Apple Tv's.


     

    No one cares. This isn’t an argument at all, much less any manner of objectivity. From what you have posted that is valid, however, we can see that you only care about specs. Not UI, not UX, just specs.

     

    So enjoy that 1.4GHz Snapdragon processor from 2009, as in your mind it MUST be faster than Apple’s A6, running at 1.2GHz.

  • Reply 70 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    The tech will never be ready. That’s just not possible.

     

     


    Airplanes.

     

    Cars.

     

    Modern Surgery.

     

    Landing on other planets.

     

    Buying stuff online.

     

    Nope. Not possible. Sure glad we never tried to do these things.

  • Reply 71 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    wizard69 wrote: »
    Judging by the rate of leaks and other info I'd suggest that the phones will come much earlier. They could announce at WWDC and ship a month later.

    Not unless they will launch it without iOS 8 or reduce the iOS dev testing and app update time to only a month. Surely not impossible, but unprecedented.

    peterbob wrote: »
    A lot of iPhone fanboy thumbs are going to get magically longer this fall.

    The display size isn't the only consideration with one-handed usage. You need to also consider the device itself. I think most (if not all) would like a larger iPhone but many don't want to make it impossible to use one handed.

    A couple of things to consider that would allow for the display to be bigger without affecting the current one-handedness is 1) a thinner device and 2) rounded edges instead of perpendicular sides so your thumb's proximal phalange can get more reach by laying flatter and the device being able to be held further in your hand more comfortably, respectively, and 3) smaller bezels. However I'm not see any significant change in the thickness of the side bezels.

    A fourth would be for the OS to know which hand it's in and if you're using it with one hand so the touch matrix can be slightly shifted to that side of the device, and potentially angled toward the thumb's pivot point. I assume they've been doing this for years as I find it nearly impossible to properly touch virtual buttons on an iPhone when the UI is upside down, like when showing someone on it.

    gwmac wrote: »
    I am sure you do, but I think Apple is aware that you are in the small minority. Your only choice for a 4" is likely to be the 5s reborn in plastic as the 6c. 

    I'm sure there are more than enough people that want a larger device that make the market viable but it sounds like you're saying the majority of smartphones sold are larger than the 4" iPhone. I would say that is likely untrue. I think the best you could say is that the majority of high-end non-Apple smartphones are larger than 4".
  • Reply 72 of 168
    aylkaylk Posts: 54member

    Can someone point me to the data that demonstrate that big screen phones are selling better than the iPhone?

  • Reply 73 of 168
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by Napoleon_PhoneApart View Post

    Nope. Not possible. Sure glad we never tried to do these things.


     

    Nice false equivalency. I bet you think that open air holography is possible. And that movement through Euclidean space at speed greater than c is possible. :rolleyes: 

     

    Originally Posted by aylk View Post

    Can someone point me to the data that demonstrate that big screen phones are selling better than the iPhone?

     

    There’s no data. They aren’t. Phones larger than the iPhone make up roughly 10% of the market, last I remember.

  • Reply 74 of 168
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    Nice false equivalency. I bet you think that open air holography is possible. And that movement through Euclidean space at speed greater than c is possible. :rolleyes: 

     

     


    I can't help it if you tend to be close-minded. Building a fingerprint sensor into a screen is not possible? Carry on.

  • Reply 75 of 168
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    aylk wrote: »
    Can someone point me to the data that demonstrate that big screen phones are selling better than the iPhone?

    It's just the usual troll mathematics.

    The most popular high-end Android-based devices have larger displays than the iPhone.
    Android has the most activations.
    Therefore most phones have larger displays.
  • Reply 76 of 168
    jason98jason98 Posts: 763member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

     

    The tech will never be ready. That’s just not possible.


     

    Here if you missed it:

     

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/07/18/apple-details-in-display-fingerprint-sensor-tech-in-patent-filing-from-authentec-cofounder

  • Reply 77 of 168



    No way! I was told it wasn't possible! <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

  • Reply 78 of 168
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by Napoleon_PhoneApart View Post

    I can't help it if you tend to be close-minded. Building a fingerprint sensor into a screen is not possible? Carry on.

     

    All right, I’m not finding what I’m after. Is Touch ID a camera-style sensor or just a capitative overlay? 

  • Reply 79 of 168
    ingelaingela Posts: 217member

    i want one

  • Reply 80 of 168
    natesfnatesf Posts: 13member
    The more we see these the more I think this is the upgrade to the 5c. Remember too that unless they have figured out some magical antenna trick they can't have an all metal back (i.e., every iPhone to date (from the first iPhone to the current) has had some component (or all) of the back in not metal to facilitate cellular communications. So, if you can imagine the 5c larger and in the same type of plastic shell -- they might just have a lines out the door on launch day product for mid-tier buyers and Android switchers. Also, that these mockups don't have the True Tone flash make me think we are not looking at the evolution of the 5s (unless they managed to get the true tone functionality into the smaller round form factor of previous phones. I find that unlikely so soon.) The 5c has been a success (regardless of what you may have read in the media) and they aren't going to move away from that new strategy so fast. So there will be an upgrade to the 5s and an upgrade to the 5c.
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