Well, there are things about Michael Jackson that weren't exactly things I would recommend either. And look how he ended up. Don't forget that.
You're defending your positional that he's a not a real musician because of his psychological issues and an untimely death. :no:
Shakespeare was using an older form of English. The English language has gone through changes due to society. That's why his writings are difficult to understand unless you know how to interpret his writings. But did Shakespeare use words like nigga, biotch, wattup, and the other made up words rap artists commonly use?
Seriously?! I feel like you're going to say you're Punking me. You can't be that fucking stupid!
Me ignorant? NO, you are the ignorant one.
Says the guy that rebukes all rap music because they make up words and then when shown that all words are made up and given examples he then calls into question Michael Jackson's character and claims Shakespeare came from a different time where you were allowed to invent words and then goes in to compare a relatively new word v one that has been around for 500 years.
Yes, your comments are by far the most ignorant I've ever read on AI, which is doubly sad considering how your unjustifiable superiority complex over music and language which you repeatedly have shown to know nothing about.
Either way, I don't really consider rap music a REAL form of music, it's more of a commercially sold form of music for musically ignorant people that is created by musically ignorant people. PERIOD. You may think differently on that, but at least I have studied and learned how to play music in different settings on a professional level. Have you? One of my first instructors was a PhD from Julliard whom also had a Masters Degree from Stanford in music. Unfortunatley he passed away a few years ago, but to those types of people, rap music is a VERY primitive level of music art form and i use that term lightly. That's why you don't see these rappers playing a musical instrument while they are rapping, but you see song writers play guitar, piano or a musical instrument while singing their song. Hmmmmm....
This very much reminds me of the racist attitude Jean-Michel Basquiat faced with his paintings in the art world. I loved seeing when one interviewer called his work "primal expressionism" and he responded with: "You mean like an ape? A primate?". Call people on the BS racist subtext.
It's really too bad that you only see the surface and stereotype of rap/hip hop by having such a closed mind. I mean, should all rock music be judged by pop groups like Nickelback? In case you want to break the stereotype, check out groups like Antipop Consortium and Aesop Rock (the latter having a simple melody and harmony). Perhaps the instrumentation might not be highbrow enough for you, but the way they use language is definitely an art form.
Look, I do respect the fact that if a musician is able to study music in higher education, they will be able to create more complex compositions and generally understand the fundamentals of music much better than an untrained musician. And I definitely appreciate the work of many great classical and jazz musicians (I listen to all types of music). However, unlike you, I don't believe that there's a "right answer" to making music, and I would never set up a largely class-based barrier to music like requiring a higher education. It's self expression, and just because you don't connect with the form of self-expression used by some musicians doesn't make their work invalid. You can set up as many measurements as you like, but fundamentally it comes down to whether the feeling resonates or not.
And yes, there are certain pieces of music which I genuinely dislike as well. Mostly based on whether it sounds unique/genuine or is just recreating a marketable sound. A lot of hip hop I hear would fall into the latter category (as would a lot of jazz). However, I would never be so presumptuous as to declare those songs as not being music based on my own perspective.
You're defending your positional that he's a not a real musician because of his psychological issues and an untimely death.
Seriously?! I feel like you're going to say you're Punking me. You can't be that fucking stupid!
Says the guy that rebukes all rap music because they make up words and then when shown that all words are made up and given examples he then calls into question Michael Jackson's character and claims Shakespeare came from a different time where you were allowed to invent words and then goes in to compare a relatively new word v one that has been around for 500 years.
Yes, your comments are by far the most ignorant I've ever read on AI, which is doubly sad considering how your unjustifiable superiority complex over music and language which you repeatedly have shown to know nothing about.
Shove it SolipssismX, you are the ignorant one. I've had these exact same discussions with blacks and they see things the exact same way I do and feel the exact same as I. So, stop your little rap loving BS. All you do is make up excuses to promote that behavior and culture. You can come up with examples that are just using them as excuses rather than trying to figure out what would be more positive.
All I can say is, you better hope Apple's stock doesn't go down drastically should they bring Dr. Dre into the picture and he and his friends continue to promote those stupid YouTube videos of them getting drunk, swearing and calling each other a nigga. That will eventually come back and hurt Apple and their business. I see nothing good coming of having Apple and Dr. Dre becoming an advisor to Apple. You obviously don't see what I see.. You want to promote illiterate behavior. What happen, did you buy some Beats headphones and think they sound great and are afraid to admit it? Why are you so into supporting and promoting rap culture? Do you listen to it and think it's actually music? And you're calling me the ignorant one. Look in the mirror, pal. You just bring up stupid excuses to make a point and I've shot every one of them down. That's all you are about. One excuse after another, no valid reasoning.
Superiority? No, it's just having an education and observing the reality of the situation. That's all. It's what people do when they know more about a subject matter than you, which have NO musical background whatsoever. Who are you going to have intelligent discussions with when it comes to music? A musician or a non-musician? You are a non-musician, you obviously don't even know half of what I am talking about. You probably couldn't sing a melody line even if there was one to sing. You can't sing a melody line in a rap song because they aren't singing a melody line, they are talking, or in some cases yelling. That's not what is referred to as SINGING a melody. So you like listening to so-called music where there is pretty much no singing? No music being played by musicians? How can something be called music, if it isn't created by musicians? They are just figuring out how to circumvent the normal ways of becoming musical artists by doing everything they NOT to learn about music and promoting words that are not part of what we consider part of a proper English speaking society.
I have friends that work at Apple and they aren't too thrilled about this buyout either. Some of them HATE Beats headphones and the whole rap culture just as much as I do. I think you are afraid to admit I'm right, because you have some psychological problem.
It's unimaginable that you communicate in this way.
Well, deal with it. Actually I get even more disgusted in these conversations and I get REAL with them and THEY agree with me wholeheartedly. Shows you how much you really know about me and the types of discussions about this subject matter.. I run into people from the black community about rap music and they sound just like I do. The reason why you can't imagine it is because you don't run in the same circles as I and know anything about the subject matter.
You are just a fool conjuring up excuses. Even those that I talk to don't bring up the same excuses you do. Your problem is that you have never studied music from any noted music instructor or have actually learned how to play a musical instrument and have learned what it takes to create music. I have. So you are ignorant in this area. You just don't like me for telling the truth. There are others on this forum that have expressed they agree with me. All you are is someone that likes to force people into your line of BS about topics of discussion that you know nothing about.
Rap music is a BS form of music and people that get involved with it promote a very bad element that's destroying our society from within. Plain and simple. If you fail to realize this then someday maybe you'll wake up to this. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's positive or something to promote. The masses aren't educated as to what good music really is and they get easily manipulated by marketing hype of the media and commercialism, which is how POP music becomes successful. And how many rap albums do you have in your record collection? Do you even have any? For someone that promotes it, you must have tons of rap albums in your collection, if you didn't, then you are a hypocrite.
Go take some classes in how to play a musical instrument and learn how to play good enough to get calls to perform with others at a concert and then maybe I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, keep your ignorance to yourself on this subject.
I see nothing good coming from this Beats acquisition if they keep Dr. Dre on as an advisor to Apple. I can't possibly see any value to anything he could contribute unless he's able to have the rap fans stop ripping off Apple Stores stealing product.
Well, deal with it. Actually I get even more disgusted in these conversations and I get REAL with them and THEY agree with me wholeheartedly. Shows you how much you really know about me and the types of discussions about this subject matter.. I run into people from the black community about rap music and they sound just like I do. The reason why you can't imagine it is because you don't run in the same circles as I and know anything about the subject matter.
You are just a fool conjuring up excuses. Even those that I talk to don't bring up the same excuses you do. Your problem is that you have never studied music from any noted music instructor or have actually learned how to play a musical instrument and have learned what it takes to create music. I have. So you are ignorant in this area. You just don't like me for telling the truth. There are others on this forum that have expressed they agree with me. All you are is someone that likes to force people into your line of BS about topics of discussion that you know nothing about.
Rap music is a BS form of music and people that get involved with it promote a very bad element that's destroying our society from within. Plain and simple. If you fail to realize this then someday maybe you'll wake up to this. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's positive or something to promote. The masses aren't educated as to what good music really is and they get easily manipulated by marketing hype of the media and commercialism, which is how POP music becomes successful. And how many rap albums do you have in your record collection? Do you even have any? For someone that promotes it, you must have tons of rap albums in your collection, if you didn't, then you are a hypocrite.
Go take some classes in how to play a musical instrument and learn how to play good enough to get calls to perform with others at a concert and then maybe I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, keep your ignorance to yourself on this subject.
I see nothing good coming from this Beats acquisition if they keep Dr. Dre on as an advisor to Apple. I can't possibly see any value to anything he could contribute unless he's able to have the rap fans stop ripping off Apple Stores stealing product.
May I suggest you try to get seen my a specialist ASAP, you really need some help.
Well, deal with it. Actually I get even more disgusted in these conversations and I get REAL with them and THEY agree with me wholeheartedly. Shows you how much you really know about me and the types of discussions about this subject matter.. I run into people from the black community about rap music and they sound just like I do. The reason why you can't imagine it is because you don't run in the same circles as I and know anything about the subject matter.
You are just a fool conjuring up excuses. Even those that I talk to don't bring up the same excuses you do. Your problem is that you have never studied music from any noted music instructor or have actually learned how to play a musical instrument and have learned what it takes to create music. I have. So you are ignorant in this area. You just don't like me for telling the truth. There are others on this forum that have expressed they agree with me. All you are is someone that likes to force people into your line of BS about topics of discussion that you know nothing about.
Rap music is a BS form of music and people that get involved with it promote a very bad element that's destroying our society from within. Plain and simple. If you fail to realize this then someday maybe you'll wake up to this. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's positive or something to promote. The masses aren't educated as to what good music really is and they get easily manipulated by marketing hype of the media and commercialism, which is how POP music becomes successful. And how many rap albums do you have in your record collection? Do you even have any? For someone that promotes it, you must have tons of rap albums in your collection, if you didn't, then you are a hypocrite.
Go take some classes in how to play a musical instrument and learn how to play good enough to get calls to perform with others at a concert and then maybe I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, keep your ignorance to yourself on this subject.
I see nothing good coming from this Beats acquisition if they keep Dr. Dre on as an advisor to Apple. I can't possibly see any value to anything he could contribute unless he's able to have the rap fans stop ripping off Apple Stores stealing product.
May I suggest you try to get seen my a specialist ASAP, you really need some help.
Why? They aren't helping you with anything. And what are they a specialist on?
If you promote the rap culture, then maybe you wouldn't have a problem being called a Nigga since that's what they like calling each other. I don't like that being done, but THEY like it. Go watch their videos and read the lyrics of rap music. It's the term they refer to each other., So you don't mind that culture? Then maybe you should be referred to the same name they call each other. How's that?
I'm against using that word, but since you don't like my attitude, maybe I should just join the crowd and call everyone "My nigga' to fit in with the rap culture that you seem to like and support. How's that, my Nigga? /s
FYI, Blacks in the Rap community aren't the only ones using that term, I run into white people that are into the rap culture and they refer to each other as "my Nigga" just like the black rap community does. I see and hear that all of the time and it's disgusting, but they seem to like it. I'm sure within Apple, that's not acceptable, but with Dr. Dre's influences, maybe Cook & CO. will have to adopt that as part of the new Apple with Tim Cook if they have Dr. Dre as one of their employees/advisors. That's what I'm afraid of.
I had to address this on the other thread. It is not a hardware purchase. Their estimated profit is 200-300 million off their estimated 1.4mil in revenue. Those are great margins. But 3.2 BILLION to capture 300 million (on the high end) is terrible. In fact, when you include interest- they will literally never recoup their investment. Even if they double revenues and profits- it will take 55 years to recoup their investment when you consider a modest interest rate. $3.2 billion is so ridiculously overpriced if it is soley a hardware purchase. Also- please tell me- outside of beats radio- where is the synergy with apple? Headphones and iPhones/iPods? Beats would (and should) work independently. Beats by Apple was a great name I heard. Not nearly enough synergy to warrant that purchase price.
Again- I'm not opposed to this purchase because we don't know the details. But to say it is simply hardware is mathematically the dumbest purchase apple could possibly make. And a small 30 mil profit music streamer added to the pile isn't enough incentive either.
2 things will likely come out. 1- the 3.2billion price is inflated- and it's really 2 bil or less, which would be much better. Or 2- there is something we aren't aware of.
The rumored purchase doesn't bug me- just the rumored price. And dre being a senior exec but that's for another discussion.
That 3.2 isn't sitting under a mattress making no money.
Never said it was primarily a hardware purchase. In fact, if I had to guess (and why not everyone else is) I would suspect that the value of Beats to Apple is in the following order:
1) Jimmy Iovine
2) Beats Music
3) Beats headphones & other current & future hardware
BUT, Apple is pretty conservative financially so dropping $3.2B becomes a lot less financially risky if the company they are buying has a large and growing revenue stream and high margins like Beats Audio. My point was that Apple has a pretty good hedge on their bet, not that Beats existing hardware revenue stream is their ultimate goal. I haven't seen Apple buy companies just because they seem like a good return on investment. They have focused on companies that they believe will make Apple better. I expect and hope that hasn't changed.
Whatever. Wallow in ignorance. Ignorance is bliss and if you want to completely blissful, then become completely ignorant on what's going on with our society and how the rap culture is slowly deteriorating it bit by bit, day by day.
Never said it was primarily a hardware purchase. In fact, if I had to guess (and why not everyone else is) I would suspect that the value of Beats to Apple is in the following order:
1) Jimmy Iovine
2) Beats Music
3) Beats headphones & other current & future hardware
BUT, Apple is pretty conservative financially so dropping $3.2B becomes a lot less financially risky if the company they are buying has a large and growing revenue stream and high margins like Beats Audio. My point was that Apple has a pretty good hedge on their bet, not that Beats existing hardware revenue stream is their ultimate goal. I haven't seen Apple buy companies just because they seem like a good return on investment. They have focused on companies that they believe will make Apple better. I expect and hope that hasn't changed.
Are you referring to Beats Music when you talk about Beats Audio? to my knowledge, Beats Music isn't making any profit. Beats Electronics, which is the headphone division makes profits. There's gross profit and net profit. I don't think this chart explains Net Profit from the Beats Music division which should be analyzed separately from Beats Electronics. According to a recent article about the Beats Music, they were looking for more money because they were running out, that's a sign of a business that's not profitable, regardless of the number of subscriber (110,000 is chump change compared to Spotify's 6 Million paid subscribers) and Spotify isn't really making that much Net Profit that I'm aware of. This type of business can't survive well with that few paid subscribers, they need tens, if not hundreds of million active account holders to make a dent in terms of Net Profit.
Whatever. Wallow in ignorance. Ignorance is bliss and if you want to completely blissful, then become completely ignorant on what's going on with our society and how the rap culture is slowly deteriorating it bit by bit, day by day.
Now replace "rap" with "rock n roll" or "painting" or "computer graphics" or "poetry" and you have the same argument we've heard for centuries.
I don't even like rap but hearing your silly rant makes me want to like it just like every teen likes to rebel too. Get it, dad?
Now replace "rap" with "rock n roll" or "painting" or "computer graphics" or "poetry" and you have the same argument we've heard for centuries.
I don't even like rap but hearing your silly rant makes me want to like it just like every teen likes to rebel too. Get it, dad?
But rap has a whole culture surrounding it and you can't have one without the other. Got it My Nigga? /s
Yeah, children that hate being told what's right like to rebel, yeah, yeah, yeah, same old infantile response to an authority figure. Grow up and mature, if you don't want to, then maybe someday you'll have to, it's part of the growing process.
Look at all of the celebrities putting out rock music rebelling against their parents and society as they grew older. They either died of drug overdoses, or became pathetic losers still hanging on to what ever BS they were perpetuating when they were younger, OR they actually grew up. A lot of these rockers from the seventies that were rebelling that were getting wasted drunk, stoned, etc. many time eventually grew up, and got off the drugs, etc. Look at Stephen Tyler from Aerosmith, but he's still just as flighty as ever. He looks like someone ran over him with an ugly stick. He's aged a LOT more than someone that didn't get out of hand with that whole Sex, Drugs and Rock and Rolll. He almost died from that rebellious lifestyle. Got it?
Here's what you need to do to get fully accepted in the rap community unless you are super rich and famous like one of these talk show hosts that get these rap artists on their shows to interview and promote them, which you aren't. So here's how you get accepted in the local rap culture.
1. You have to look like them, so you'll end up having to get tattoos, dress with your underwear hanging out because your pants don't fit, and then wear hoodies and look like a gang banger.
2. You have walk the walk so you have to learn how to walk holding your genitals with one hand while the other tries to hold your pants because otherwise your pants will fall down and then a cop will bring you in for indecent exposure.
3. You have talk the talk. So you have to learn all the lingo associated with it. And you have to be up to date on all of the changes on who's IN, who's OUT and any changes to the lingo as it changes. Also, you have to know the differences between the West Coast vs. the East Coast. They don't like each other's versions of rap, so if you live on the East Coast, then you can't get into the West Coast rappers, otherwise, they might put a cap in your ass. Same rules apply on the other coast. You have to learn how to "FIT IN". If you can't, then you won't be accepted and they'll just see you as the phony that you are and they'll REALLY mess with you.
Good luck, I hope it all works out for you, even though I know it won't.
YOU'RE LUCKY I don't have my Mac with me. I've found so many contadictions in your posts that others missed or haven't mentioned. I can't be bothered to quote everything on my iPod. Boy are you full of hypocrisy and refuse to aknowledge others who have proven you wrong.
This thread was a lot more fun when it was light hearted and filled with links to music (I love music). Now it's just a thread full of anger and bitterness.
YOU'RE LUCKY I don't have my Mac with me. I've found so many contadictions in your posts that others missed or haven't mentioned. I can't be bothered to quote everything on my iPod. Boy are you full of hypocrisy and refuse to aknowledge others who have proven you wrong.
Obviously you don't understand anything about music.
I'm lucky? Oh, I'm scared. Now, go run along now..........
Some of why I say is being done sarcastically but obviously you don't recognize the two. Now, go run along to your homies.
If you promote the rap culture, then maybe you wouldn't have a problem being called a Nigga since that's what they like calling each other. I don't like that being done, but THEY like it. Go watch their videos and read the lyrics of rap music. It's the term they refer to each other., So you don't mind that culture? Then maybe you should be referred to the same name they call each other. How's that?
Ah, the man who studies under PhDs and likes his music to be complex shows that he doesn't understand the complexity of human language.
The original reason why african-americans in the hip hop community started calling each other that name is because they were trying to take away the power that word had to hurt people. It's like having people call you a loser all the time, and instead of getting angry at them and letting the word have power, you do the opposite: you get your friends start to referring to you (and themselves) as losers and claim it as a badge of honour. Thus, the power that word had to hurt you (and others) is taken away.
Over time, that concept has been lost on some (especially the white people who use it), but that's the origin of its prolific use within the hip hop community. Once you open your mind and really see/understand the world, you'll find that people are often smarter than you give them credit for.
This thread was a lot more fun when it was light hearted and filled with links to music (I love music). Now it's just a thread full of anger and bitterness.
Agreed. Here's a couple of videos I was going to use to argue the point about "standards". Does this song:
become a "standard" if it's redone by a famous brass band:
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You're defending your positional that he's a not a real musician because of his psychological issues and an untimely death. :no:
Seriously?! I feel like you're going to say you're Punking me. You can't be that fucking stupid!
Says the guy that rebukes all rap music because they make up words and then when shown that all words are made up and given examples he then calls into question Michael Jackson's character and claims Shakespeare came from a different time where you were allowed to invent words and then goes in to compare a relatively new word v one that has been around for 500 years.
Yes, your comments are by far the most ignorant I've ever read on AI, which is doubly sad considering how your unjustifiable superiority complex over music and language which you repeatedly have shown to know nothing about.
Either way, I don't really consider rap music a REAL form of music, it's more of a commercially sold form of music for musically ignorant people that is created by musically ignorant people. PERIOD. You may think differently on that, but at least I have studied and learned how to play music in different settings on a professional level. Have you? One of my first instructors was a PhD from Julliard whom also had a Masters Degree from Stanford in music. Unfortunatley he passed away a few years ago, but to those types of people, rap music is a VERY primitive level of music art form and i use that term lightly. That's why you don't see these rappers playing a musical instrument while they are rapping, but you see song writers play guitar, piano or a musical instrument while singing their song. Hmmmmm....
This very much reminds me of the racist attitude Jean-Michel Basquiat faced with his paintings in the art world. I loved seeing when one interviewer called his work "primal expressionism" and he responded with: "You mean like an ape? A primate?". Call people on the BS racist subtext.
It's really too bad that you only see the surface and stereotype of rap/hip hop by having such a closed mind. I mean, should all rock music be judged by pop groups like Nickelback? In case you want to break the stereotype, check out groups like Antipop Consortium and Aesop Rock (the latter having a simple melody and harmony). Perhaps the instrumentation might not be highbrow enough for you, but the way they use language is definitely an art form.
Look, I do respect the fact that if a musician is able to study music in higher education, they will be able to create more complex compositions and generally understand the fundamentals of music much better than an untrained musician. And I definitely appreciate the work of many great classical and jazz musicians (I listen to all types of music). However, unlike you, I don't believe that there's a "right answer" to making music, and I would never set up a largely class-based barrier to music like requiring a higher education. It's self expression, and just because you don't connect with the form of self-expression used by some musicians doesn't make their work invalid. You can set up as many measurements as you like, but fundamentally it comes down to whether the feeling resonates or not.
And yes, there are certain pieces of music which I genuinely dislike as well. Mostly based on whether it sounds unique/genuine or is just recreating a marketable sound. A lot of hip hop I hear would fall into the latter category (as would a lot of jazz). However, I would never be so presumptuous as to declare those songs as not being music based on my own perspective.
You're defending your positional that he's a not a real musician because of his psychological issues and an untimely death.
Seriously?! I feel like you're going to say you're Punking me. You can't be that fucking stupid!
Says the guy that rebukes all rap music because they make up words and then when shown that all words are made up and given examples he then calls into question Michael Jackson's character and claims Shakespeare came from a different time where you were allowed to invent words and then goes in to compare a relatively new word v one that has been around for 500 years.
Yes, your comments are by far the most ignorant I've ever read on AI, which is doubly sad considering how your unjustifiable superiority complex over music and language which you repeatedly have shown to know nothing about.
Shove it SolipssismX, you are the ignorant one. I've had these exact same discussions with blacks and they see things the exact same way I do and feel the exact same as I. So, stop your little rap loving BS. All you do is make up excuses to promote that behavior and culture. You can come up with examples that are just using them as excuses rather than trying to figure out what would be more positive.
All I can say is, you better hope Apple's stock doesn't go down drastically should they bring Dr. Dre into the picture and he and his friends continue to promote those stupid YouTube videos of them getting drunk, swearing and calling each other a nigga. That will eventually come back and hurt Apple and their business. I see nothing good coming of having Apple and Dr. Dre becoming an advisor to Apple. You obviously don't see what I see.. You want to promote illiterate behavior. What happen, did you buy some Beats headphones and think they sound great and are afraid to admit it? Why are you so into supporting and promoting rap culture? Do you listen to it and think it's actually music? And you're calling me the ignorant one. Look in the mirror, pal. You just bring up stupid excuses to make a point and I've shot every one of them down. That's all you are about. One excuse after another, no valid reasoning.
Superiority? No, it's just having an education and observing the reality of the situation. That's all. It's what people do when they know more about a subject matter than you, which have NO musical background whatsoever. Who are you going to have intelligent discussions with when it comes to music? A musician or a non-musician? You are a non-musician, you obviously don't even know half of what I am talking about. You probably couldn't sing a melody line even if there was one to sing. You can't sing a melody line in a rap song because they aren't singing a melody line, they are talking, or in some cases yelling. That's not what is referred to as SINGING a melody. So you like listening to so-called music where there is pretty much no singing? No music being played by musicians? How can something be called music, if it isn't created by musicians? They are just figuring out how to circumvent the normal ways of becoming musical artists by doing everything they NOT to learn about music and promoting words that are not part of what we consider part of a proper English speaking society.
I have friends that work at Apple and they aren't too thrilled about this buyout either. Some of them HATE Beats headphones and the whole rap culture just as much as I do. I think you are afraid to admit I'm right, because you have some psychological problem.
It's unimaginable that you communicate in this way.
Not really.
It's unimaginable that you communicate in this way.
Well, deal with it. Actually I get even more disgusted in these conversations and I get REAL with them and THEY agree with me wholeheartedly. Shows you how much you really know about me and the types of discussions about this subject matter.. I run into people from the black community about rap music and they sound just like I do. The reason why you can't imagine it is because you don't run in the same circles as I and know anything about the subject matter.
You are just a fool conjuring up excuses. Even those that I talk to don't bring up the same excuses you do. Your problem is that you have never studied music from any noted music instructor or have actually learned how to play a musical instrument and have learned what it takes to create music. I have. So you are ignorant in this area. You just don't like me for telling the truth. There are others on this forum that have expressed they agree with me. All you are is someone that likes to force people into your line of BS about topics of discussion that you know nothing about.
Rap music is a BS form of music and people that get involved with it promote a very bad element that's destroying our society from within. Plain and simple. If you fail to realize this then someday maybe you'll wake up to this. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's positive or something to promote. The masses aren't educated as to what good music really is and they get easily manipulated by marketing hype of the media and commercialism, which is how POP music becomes successful. And how many rap albums do you have in your record collection? Do you even have any? For someone that promotes it, you must have tons of rap albums in your collection, if you didn't, then you are a hypocrite.
Go take some classes in how to play a musical instrument and learn how to play good enough to get calls to perform with others at a concert and then maybe I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, keep your ignorance to yourself on this subject.
I see nothing good coming from this Beats acquisition if they keep Dr. Dre on as an advisor to Apple. I can't possibly see any value to anything he could contribute unless he's able to have the rap fans stop ripping off Apple Stores stealing product.
May I suggest you try to get seen my a specialist ASAP, you really need some help.
Well, deal with it. Actually I get even more disgusted in these conversations and I get REAL with them and THEY agree with me wholeheartedly. Shows you how much you really know about me and the types of discussions about this subject matter.. I run into people from the black community about rap music and they sound just like I do. The reason why you can't imagine it is because you don't run in the same circles as I and know anything about the subject matter.
You are just a fool conjuring up excuses. Even those that I talk to don't bring up the same excuses you do. Your problem is that you have never studied music from any noted music instructor or have actually learned how to play a musical instrument and have learned what it takes to create music. I have. So you are ignorant in this area. You just don't like me for telling the truth. There are others on this forum that have expressed they agree with me. All you are is someone that likes to force people into your line of BS about topics of discussion that you know nothing about.
Rap music is a BS form of music and people that get involved with it promote a very bad element that's destroying our society from within. Plain and simple. If you fail to realize this then someday maybe you'll wake up to this. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's positive or something to promote. The masses aren't educated as to what good music really is and they get easily manipulated by marketing hype of the media and commercialism, which is how POP music becomes successful. And how many rap albums do you have in your record collection? Do you even have any? For someone that promotes it, you must have tons of rap albums in your collection, if you didn't, then you are a hypocrite.
Go take some classes in how to play a musical instrument and learn how to play good enough to get calls to perform with others at a concert and then maybe I'll listen to what you have to say. Otherwise, keep your ignorance to yourself on this subject.
I see nothing good coming from this Beats acquisition if they keep Dr. Dre on as an advisor to Apple. I can't possibly see any value to anything he could contribute unless he's able to have the rap fans stop ripping off Apple Stores stealing product.
I stopped listening after the first line, dad.
May I suggest you try to get seen my a specialist ASAP, you really need some help.
Why? They aren't helping you with anything. And what are they a specialist on?
If you promote the rap culture, then maybe you wouldn't have a problem being called a Nigga since that's what they like calling each other. I don't like that being done, but THEY like it. Go watch their videos and read the lyrics of rap music. It's the term they refer to each other., So you don't mind that culture? Then maybe you should be referred to the same name they call each other. How's that?
I'm against using that word, but since you don't like my attitude, maybe I should just join the crowd and call everyone "My nigga' to fit in with the rap culture that you seem to like and support. How's that, my Nigga? /s
FYI, Blacks in the Rap community aren't the only ones using that term, I run into white people that are into the rap culture and they refer to each other as "my Nigga" just like the black rap community does. I see and hear that all of the time and it's disgusting, but they seem to like it. I'm sure within Apple, that's not acceptable, but with Dr. Dre's influences, maybe Cook & CO. will have to adopt that as part of the new Apple with Tim Cook if they have Dr. Dre as one of their employees/advisors. That's what I'm afraid of.
Jeez, you need a specialist, I don't. y
I had to address this on the other thread. It is not a hardware purchase. Their estimated profit is 200-300 million off their estimated 1.4mil in revenue. Those are great margins. But 3.2 BILLION to capture 300 million (on the high end) is terrible. In fact, when you include interest- they will literally never recoup their investment. Even if they double revenues and profits- it will take 55 years to recoup their investment when you consider a modest interest rate. $3.2 billion is so ridiculously overpriced if it is soley a hardware purchase. Also- please tell me- outside of beats radio- where is the synergy with apple? Headphones and iPhones/iPods? Beats would (and should) work independently. Beats by Apple was a great name I heard. Not nearly enough synergy to warrant that purchase price.
Again- I'm not opposed to this purchase because we don't know the details. But to say it is simply hardware is mathematically the dumbest purchase apple could possibly make. And a small 30 mil profit music streamer added to the pile isn't enough incentive either.
2 things will likely come out. 1- the 3.2billion price is inflated- and it's really 2 bil or less, which would be much better. Or 2- there is something we aren't aware of.
The rumored purchase doesn't bug me- just the rumored price. And dre being a senior exec but that's for another discussion.
That 3.2 isn't sitting under a mattress making no money.
Never said it was primarily a hardware purchase. In fact, if I had to guess (and why not everyone else is) I would suspect that the value of Beats to Apple is in the following order:
1) Jimmy Iovine
2) Beats Music
3) Beats headphones & other current & future hardware
4) Brand image, intellectual property (if any), assets
BUT, Apple is pretty conservative financially so dropping $3.2B becomes a lot less financially risky if the company they are buying has a large and growing revenue stream and high margins like Beats Audio. My point was that Apple has a pretty good hedge on their bet, not that Beats existing hardware revenue stream is their ultimate goal. I haven't seen Apple buy companies just because they seem like a good return on investment. They have focused on companies that they believe will make Apple better. I expect and hope that hasn't changed.
I stopped listening after the first line, dad.
Whatever. Wallow in ignorance. Ignorance is bliss and if you want to completely blissful, then become completely ignorant on what's going on with our society and how the rap culture is slowly deteriorating it bit by bit, day by day.
Never said it was primarily a hardware purchase. In fact, if I had to guess (and why not everyone else is) I would suspect that the value of Beats to Apple is in the following order:
1) Jimmy Iovine
2) Beats Music
3) Beats headphones & other current & future hardware
4) Brand image, intellectual property (if any), assets
BUT, Apple is pretty conservative financially so dropping $3.2B becomes a lot less financially risky if the company they are buying has a large and growing revenue stream and high margins like Beats Audio. My point was that Apple has a pretty good hedge on their bet, not that Beats existing hardware revenue stream is their ultimate goal. I haven't seen Apple buy companies just because they seem like a good return on investment. They have focused on companies that they believe will make Apple better. I expect and hope that hasn't changed.
Are you referring to Beats Music when you talk about Beats Audio? to my knowledge, Beats Music isn't making any profit. Beats Electronics, which is the headphone division makes profits. There's gross profit and net profit. I don't think this chart explains Net Profit from the Beats Music division which should be analyzed separately from Beats Electronics. According to a recent article about the Beats Music, they were looking for more money because they were running out, that's a sign of a business that's not profitable, regardless of the number of subscriber (110,000 is chump change compared to Spotify's 6 Million paid subscribers) and Spotify isn't really making that much Net Profit that I'm aware of. This type of business can't survive well with that few paid subscribers, they need tens, if not hundreds of million active account holders to make a dent in terms of Net Profit.
Whatever. Wallow in ignorance. Ignorance is bliss and if you want to completely blissful, then become completely ignorant on what's going on with our society and how the rap culture is slowly deteriorating it bit by bit, day by day.
Now replace "rap" with "rock n roll" or "painting" or "computer graphics" or "poetry" and you have the same argument we've heard for centuries.
I don't even like rap but hearing your silly rant makes me want to like it just like every teen likes to rebel too. Get it, dad?
Now replace "rap" with "rock n roll" or "painting" or "computer graphics" or "poetry" and you have the same argument we've heard for centuries.
I don't even like rap but hearing your silly rant makes me want to like it just like every teen likes to rebel too. Get it, dad?
But rap has a whole culture surrounding it and you can't have one without the other. Got it My Nigga? /s
Yeah, children that hate being told what's right like to rebel, yeah, yeah, yeah, same old infantile response to an authority figure. Grow up and mature, if you don't want to, then maybe someday you'll have to, it's part of the growing process.
Look at all of the celebrities putting out rock music rebelling against their parents and society as they grew older. They either died of drug overdoses, or became pathetic losers still hanging on to what ever BS they were perpetuating when they were younger, OR they actually grew up. A lot of these rockers from the seventies that were rebelling that were getting wasted drunk, stoned, etc. many time eventually grew up, and got off the drugs, etc. Look at Stephen Tyler from Aerosmith, but he's still just as flighty as ever. He looks like someone ran over him with an ugly stick. He's aged a LOT more than someone that didn't get out of hand with that whole Sex, Drugs and Rock and Rolll. He almost died from that rebellious lifestyle. Got it?
Here's what you need to do to get fully accepted in the rap community unless you are super rich and famous like one of these talk show hosts that get these rap artists on their shows to interview and promote them, which you aren't. So here's how you get accepted in the local rap culture.
1. You have to look like them, so you'll end up having to get tattoos, dress with your underwear hanging out because your pants don't fit, and then wear hoodies and look like a gang banger.
2. You have walk the walk so you have to learn how to walk holding your genitals with one hand while the other tries to hold your pants because otherwise your pants will fall down and then a cop will bring you in for indecent exposure.
3. You have talk the talk. So you have to learn all the lingo associated with it. And you have to be up to date on all of the changes on who's IN, who's OUT and any changes to the lingo as it changes. Also, you have to know the differences between the West Coast vs. the East Coast. They don't like each other's versions of rap, so if you live on the East Coast, then you can't get into the West Coast rappers, otherwise, they might put a cap in your ass. Same rules apply on the other coast. You have to learn how to "FIT IN". If you can't, then you won't be accepted and they'll just see you as the phony that you are and they'll REALLY mess with you.
Good luck, I hope it all works out for you, even though I know it won't.
YOU'RE LUCKY I don't have my Mac with me. I've found so many contadictions in your posts that others missed or haven't mentioned. I can't be bothered to quote everything on my iPod. Boy are you full of hypocrisy and refuse to aknowledge others who have proven you wrong.
This thread was a lot more fun when it was light hearted and filled with links to music (I love music). Now it's just a thread full of anger and bitterness.
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YOU'RE LUCKY I don't have my Mac with me. I've found so many contadictions in your posts that others missed or haven't mentioned. I can't be bothered to quote everything on my iPod. Boy are you full of hypocrisy and refuse to aknowledge others who have proven you wrong.
Obviously you don't understand anything about music.
I'm lucky? Oh, I'm scared. Now, go run along now..........
Some of why I say is being done sarcastically but obviously you don't recognize the two. Now, go run along to your homies.
If you promote the rap culture, then maybe you wouldn't have a problem being called a Nigga since that's what they like calling each other. I don't like that being done, but THEY like it. Go watch their videos and read the lyrics of rap music. It's the term they refer to each other., So you don't mind that culture? Then maybe you should be referred to the same name they call each other. How's that?
Ah, the man who studies under PhDs and likes his music to be complex shows that he doesn't understand the complexity of human language.
The original reason why african-americans in the hip hop community started calling each other that name is because they were trying to take away the power that word had to hurt people. It's like having people call you a loser all the time, and instead of getting angry at them and letting the word have power, you do the opposite: you get your friends start to referring to you (and themselves) as losers and claim it as a badge of honour. Thus, the power that word had to hurt you (and others) is taken away.
Over time, that concept has been lost on some (especially the white people who use it), but that's the origin of its prolific use within the hip hop community. Once you open your mind and really see/understand the world, you'll find that people are often smarter than you give them credit for.
This thread was a lot more fun when it was light hearted and filled with links to music (I love music). Now it's just a thread full of anger and bitterness.
Agreed. Here's a couple of videos I was going to use to argue the point about "standards". Does this song:
become a "standard" if it's redone by a famous brass band:
???
<- bonus points for getting this reference