Not everyone is homeless, like you? People who make some money live in houses. Yeah, they still exist. Where the **** do you live that you havent seen a house? My city is 95% houses.
Sure there is an angle... Cook, Ive and a few of the other Apple Brothers like to drive Samsung nuts. A leak this close to the big event should have the Samsung hive buzzing. lol
This reminds me so much of Microsoft announcing vaporware. Maybe Apple should have spent some money and bought NEST.
Crestron own's the home automation market and they have phenomenal gear. It is a crowded market and apple knows this fact. There is no way they are thinking about this in terms of hardware/software as they do with computers and phones. They will most likely create official partnerships and put their logo on some equipment. This is a mistake and I will live to see Apple realize it.
Whatever. I lived there 10 years. A $59 bus ticket will get you to where I am now, but I shouldn't really be telling anyone that. We already have too many losers here from out of state.
People who call this BS have no clue as to what's going on around them - here and now - today. One app not mentioned is Harmony, which I use on our iPads and iPhones in the house to control our entertainment center. Using Logitech's Harmony Ultimate hardware, we have complete control over our HDTV, audio receiver, Blu-ray, CD/SACD changer and Apple TV. Through the Apple TV, our household users can access not only all the online iTunes audio/video/streaming offerings, but also a total of 16,000 music tracks, 3,000 TV shows and dozens of movies currently stored on hard drives through any of our three Macs.
And that's only regarding entertainment. So to ye of limited imaginations and little vision - mark the following paragraph from the article, and mark it well:
"What Apple brings to the table is a massive installed user base in iOS device owners. Sheer numbers could behoove manufacturers to adopt Cupertino's new platform under a 'Made for iPod/iPhone/iPad' style license. Apple would then be in control of product certification, ensuring users a consistent and cohesive experience that heretofore has not existed in the smart home segment."
Crestron own's the home automation market and they have phenomenal gear. It is a crowded market and apple knows this fact. There is no way they are thinking about this in terms of hardware/software as they do with computers and phones. They will most likely create official partnerships and put their logo on some equipment. This is a mistake and I will live to see Apple realize it.
Have you ever heard of market disruption? Apple is a past master at it. Look what happened to BlackBerry, Palm, Motorola Mobility and a host of other comm devices when iPhone burst on the scene. Look at what's happened to PC and notebook sales since the advent of the iPad. How about CD sales and the Sony Discman since iTunes and iPods disrupted their market? Crestron is privately owned, but if they were publicly traded, I would't be rushing out to buy any of their stock right now. Crestron management may well be experiencing one of those "Oh, sh*t!" moments.
Really?
In April 2014, there were 433,000 new houses sold and 4.35 million existing homes sold in the U.S.
So, a LOT of people live in houses and at least that many are homeowners.
There already is a system that interconnects various appliances with the BUS system at home. Among others, the best known is the KNX protocol
It is a wired (LAN) standard that allows to control home appliances and compatible systems (light and so on).
What I see is the following: an entrenched, open source (hence free), system among professionals (electricians, specialists) which is cumbersome, non transparent for the average user and, to a certain extent, legacy. With all the security issues involved.
On the other hand Apple, which has a history in consumer friendly, smartly designed, software. If they go the "usual Apple route" they will align consumer devices manufacturers and start with these. Eventually also professionals will be brought on board.
An example: if I design my home from scratch I will probably have an electrician on board. If I want to connect all devices: Music, lights, air conditioner, thermostat, appliances (fridge, tv, you name it) they all have to be able to talk to each other or at least share the same "pipe" (cable). Otherwise I'll have a cable mess.
Right know, for instance, if you install a SONOS system in your home (wired one) you'll have to have dedicated wiring only for that system. Connecting all devices, in a NEW home, via Wireless puts a huge burden on that connection because everything communicates via WiFi with the resulting bandwidth problem and latency.
Granted, the BUS system needs an overhaul. The instruction (for instance on/off) is sent along the LAN with the address of the specific switch (or set of switches) that it pertains. If a switch is "not concerned" it just passes the message on. What happens? If, before leaving a house, I press on the button "shut all lights off" it can take up to a minute for all lights to turn off. Same thing happens with "turn on". And this latency is very frustrating. And I'm talking only about lights. Should you add other appliances said times increase dramatically.
Entering this market, in a serious and "non hobbystic way", marketing proclamations à là NEST a side, is harder than it seems. The "reward" would be enormous. As the strive for a smarter, more ecological and cheaper house is there. And people building from scratch can invest tens of thousands of dollars in such a system.
If Apple does it step by step, then it will have to create a highly scalable, well interconnectable system. There are some smaller proprietary systems, such as Feller (www.feller.ch) or bTicino (www.bticino.it) or probably countless others. But they are there for smaller houses and smaller systems (and usually are derived from lights, not multimedia (music, video, internet). As soon as you have higher needs though, you have to use a standard BUS system (such as the aforementioned KNX).
This market, which is expanding rapidly and is a mess of players with proprietary, non-interconnected systems, sure is interesting. Very interesting. But the right approach is of the highest importance.
Is goes way beyond some smart bulbs and a little music in your sleeping room. And has huge potential for a vast array of players, with some pressing security issues. The more things one interconnects, the higher the security risk (or the control burden).
(disclosure: I design houses and apartment with these systems. But I am not an electrical engineer myself)
You've still got a week, Samsung. You should be able to get something out by this Thursday!
You forget ! Samsung makes the home appliances and already has a spectrum of home automation products, devices and APPs on the market. Apple will need to run to catch up .. but you can still pretend they invented it all if it fills a psychological need in you.
Pompous, arrogant, and smug- I knew there was a reason I liked you.
I thought you were being sarcastic, but you weren't, which is awesome that opinions like that exist. My last home was 4200 square feet on a third of an acre, with a pool, outdoor kitchen, the works- and I bought it foreclosed for a measly $242k back in 08/09. After selling in 12' for $411k, I've since downsized and bought again (3600 ft for $172k) hoping the housing market would slow within a couple years so I could buy bigger again- unfortunately (selfishly), it's still strong (my business in Wastewater is consistent so bad housing markets allow me to buy in it and sell when the market turns). Keep in mind, this isn't in the country, hundred year old dilapidated homes, or some rinky dink town- they are newer homes in Collin County, one of the wealthiest counties in the country and top 3 in Texas.
I enjoy spending time with my family and friends at my home. What's your apartment, the size of my master bedroom and bath? What's it cost- $2k a month? Enjoy your closet.
My point is- people want different things. I wouldn't trade locations with you. Not to mention that pesky state tax you have to pay... Sucker.
Regardless of all that- I'm sure those with homes in Hawaii would beg to differ with either of us. 8-)
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NYC- the only place one actually truly "lives".
You poor fool.
That's spelled fewel imbecile.
Sure there is an angle... Cook, Ive and a few of the other Apple Brothers like to drive Samsung nuts. A leak this close to the big event should have the Samsung hive buzzing. lol
This reminds me so much of Microsoft announcing vaporware. Maybe Apple should have spent some money and bought NEST.
I can use my iPhone to handily turn on all lights, inside and outside at the same time!
That's spelled fewel imbecile.
Whatever. I lived there 10 years. A $59 bus ticket will get you to where I am now, but I shouldn't really be telling anyone that. We already have too many losers here from out of state.
People who call this BS have no clue as to what's going on around them - here and now - today. One app not mentioned is Harmony, which I use on our iPads and iPhones in the house to control our entertainment center. Using Logitech's Harmony Ultimate hardware, we have complete control over our HDTV, audio receiver, Blu-ray, CD/SACD changer and Apple TV. Through the Apple TV, our household users can access not only all the online iTunes audio/video/streaming offerings, but also a total of 16,000 music tracks, 3,000 TV shows and dozens of movies currently stored on hard drives through any of our three Macs.
And that's only regarding entertainment. So to ye of limited imaginations and little vision - mark the following paragraph from the article, and mark it well:
"What Apple brings to the table is a massive installed user base in iOS device owners. Sheer numbers could behoove manufacturers to adopt Cupertino's new platform under a 'Made for iPod/iPhone/iPad' style license. Apple would then be in control of product certification, ensuring users a consistent and cohesive experience that heretofore has not existed in the smart home segment."
Crestron own's the home automation market and they have phenomenal gear. It is a crowded market and apple knows this fact. There is no way they are thinking about this in terms of hardware/software as they do with computers and phones. They will most likely create official partnerships and put their logo on some equipment. This is a mistake and I will live to see Apple realize it.
Have you ever heard of market disruption? Apple is a past master at it. Look what happened to BlackBerry, Palm, Motorola Mobility and a host of other comm devices when iPhone burst on the scene. Look at what's happened to PC and notebook sales since the advent of the iPad. How about CD sales and the Sony Discman since iTunes and iPods disrupted their market? Crestron is privately owned, but if they were publicly traded, I would't be rushing out to buy any of their stock right now. Crestron management may well be experiencing one of those "Oh, sh*t!" moments.
In April 2014, there were 433,000 new houses sold and 4.35 million existing homes sold in the U.S.
So, a LOT of people live in houses and at least that many are homeowners.
I don't get all the negativity to this story. It is based on a rumour, but is fun speculation.
If nothing else, I got a nice handy list of things already available in the market for a smart home in one single post.
So there are 3 major things that have been speculated upon:
1. Health
2. Home automation
3. Payment Gateway
I wonder what WWDC will truly bring us? 2nd June can't come fast enough!
It is a wired (LAN) standard that allows to control home appliances and compatible systems (light and so on).
What I see is the following: an entrenched, open source (hence free), system among professionals (electricians, specialists) which is cumbersome, non transparent for the average user and, to a certain extent, legacy. With all the security issues involved.
On the other hand Apple, which has a history in consumer friendly, smartly designed, software. If they go the "usual Apple route" they will align consumer devices manufacturers and start with these. Eventually also professionals will be brought on board.
An example: if I design my home from scratch I will probably have an electrician on board. If I want to connect all devices: Music, lights, air conditioner, thermostat, appliances (fridge, tv, you name it) they all have to be able to talk to each other or at least share the same "pipe" (cable). Otherwise I'll have a cable mess.
Right know, for instance, if you install a SONOS system in your home (wired one) you'll have to have dedicated wiring only for that system.
Connecting all devices, in a NEW home, via Wireless puts a huge burden on that connection because everything communicates via WiFi with the resulting bandwidth problem and latency.
Granted, the BUS system needs an overhaul. The instruction (for instance on/off) is sent along the LAN with the address of the specific switch (or set of switches) that it pertains. If a switch is "not concerned" it just passes the message on.
What happens? If, before leaving a house, I press on the button "shut all lights off" it can take up to a minute for all lights to turn off. Same thing happens with "turn on". And this latency is very frustrating. And I'm talking only about lights. Should you add other appliances said times increase dramatically.
Entering this market, in a serious and "non hobbystic way", marketing proclamations à là NEST a side, is harder than it seems.
The "reward" would be enormous. As the strive for a smarter, more ecological and cheaper house is there. And people building from scratch can invest tens of thousands of dollars in such a system.
If Apple does it step by step, then it will have to create a highly scalable, well interconnectable system. There are some smaller proprietary systems, such as Feller (www.feller.ch) or bTicino (www.bticino.it) or probably countless others. But they are there for smaller houses and smaller systems (and usually are derived from lights, not multimedia (music, video, internet).
As soon as you have higher needs though, you have to use a standard BUS system (such as the aforementioned KNX).
This market, which is expanding rapidly and is a mess of players with proprietary, non-interconnected systems, sure is interesting. Very interesting.
But the right approach is of the highest importance.
Is goes way beyond some smart bulbs and a little music in your sleeping room. And has huge potential for a vast array of players, with some pressing security issues. The more things one interconnects, the higher the security risk (or the control burden).
(disclosure: I design houses and apartment with these systems. But I am not an electrical engineer myself)
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Wait so Apple hasn't even announced anything yet and AI is already declaring Apple will turn the ""Internet of things" into a mainstream market"?
It's like every religion. Has all the answers to all the questions. By definition you fool :-)
Who owns or lives in a house anymore?
Really?
In April 2014, there were 433,000 new houses sold and 4.35 million existing homes sold in the U.S.
So, a LOT of people live in houses and at least that many are homeowners.
So its a pretty tiny market by your numbers. Hardly worth talking about. And it's going to change the world ??? Dream on.
You've still got a week, Samsung. You should be able to get something out by this Thursday!
You forget ! Samsung makes the home appliances and already has a spectrum of home automation products, devices and APPs on the market. Apple will need to run to catch up .. but you can still pretend they invented it all if it fills a psychological need in you.
Pompous, arrogant, and smug- I knew there was a reason I liked you.
I thought you were being sarcastic, but you weren't, which is awesome that opinions like that exist. My last home was 4200 square feet on a third of an acre, with a pool, outdoor kitchen, the works- and I bought it foreclosed for a measly $242k back in 08/09. After selling in 12' for $411k, I've since downsized and bought again (3600 ft for $172k) hoping the housing market would slow within a couple years so I could buy bigger again- unfortunately (selfishly), it's still strong (my business in Wastewater is consistent so bad housing markets allow me to buy in it and sell when the market turns). Keep in mind, this isn't in the country, hundred year old dilapidated homes, or some rinky dink town- they are newer homes in Collin County, one of the wealthiest counties in the country and top 3 in Texas.
I enjoy spending time with my family and friends at my home. What's your apartment, the size of my master bedroom and bath? What's it cost- $2k a month? Enjoy your closet.
My point is- people want different things. I wouldn't trade locations with you. Not to mention that pesky state tax you have to pay... Sucker.
Regardless of all that- I'm sure those with homes in Hawaii would beg to differ with either of us. 8-)