Correct me if I'm wrong, but Motorola was left free to use its own judgement for its own business. It chose to continue the litigation it had ongoing with Apple throughout its self-ownership. Google then sold Motorola to Lenova but retained the bulk of the patents it wanted. Since these patents were the ones Motorola had ongoing litigation with- it was pretty much as an 'immediate' halt to litigation as it gets. Almost immediately as ownership of the patents transferred to Google, the litigation halted.
Some smallish number of patents were included with the Lenovo sale, but I doubt they'll be specifically mentioned nor even if any of them were involved in any MM litigation.
As for MM being operated separately from Google and with their own board and management that is correct. Google stated several times that MM would have autonomous control of their own operations and there's no evidence Google got involved in their day to day operations or product plans. I also believe that if Google seriously wanted something done as MM's owner they could make it happen.
Euphonious, as I said in my reply to your post it seems that DED/Corrections got b**thurt and decided to delete not only my post but yours as well. Sadly he has long history of not being able to accept criticism and deletes, ignores or responds with childish insults to just about anybody he disagrees with. Ironically he's been corrected a number of times and always responds in such a predictable fashion.
Writing an article then deleting adverse comments doesn't say much for the writer's strength of argument.
Why is he even able to delete posts, anyway? I find it pretty odd that writers of articles have substantial moderation powers on the forums, especially when they have such a clear history of misusing them. But then, I also find it pretty odd that DED feels compelled to have multiple identities on the same website.
Some still refer to the Reality Distortion Field that Steve Jobs made famous. Although it was a term used as a criticism, I remember its effect fondly. One of the last examples I can think of was when he introduced the iPad and described it as 'magic.' It was magic, and it still is!
The hive mentality of the Android tech press is, as DED described, another reality distortion field, but a rather less benign one, and its Queens are Schmidt and Page. I see in those two a casual indifference to any kind of moral value system, which is another side of the autistic-leaning attention-deficit yet attention-seeking mindset, combining a narrow tunnel-vision with a complete lack of focus. They simply couldn't have created the thermonuclear explosion that was iPhone and iPad because of their inability to both see the big picture and also cast aside all distracting fripperies. Apple chooses to sacrifice the endless amazing headlines it would get day after day were it to open up its labs to the insatiable press, instead settling for a laser beam of intent.
Gatorguy must rate as the most revisionist, liar on apple insider?
Typically if you call someone out as a liar you'd be expected to specify the lie and state what the truth is. You seem to have missed those parts. I guess what you really meant is you don't agree with the post.
If you don't like long form work, can't handle sentence complexity and want to be told things you already think, there are any number of vapid blogs you can skim.
It's not that hard to steer clear of AppleInsider on Sunday if you can't handle Daniel Eran Dilger.
Speaking of things people can't handle. Can you handle one bit of criticism DED/Corrections without degenerating your reply into insults & belittlement? This is getting old and tiresome. Grow up.
If you can't handle it, you shouldn't dish it out.
I have no issues. You're the one who can't deal with anyone critical of your articles based on the insults you hurl rather than address the poster's issue(s) with your articles.
If there's one person on this site that can 'deal' with criticism, it's DED. Slurpy's not too bad at it either.
Question: does Google's behavior contravene its own image as a do-gooder and principled tech company beloved by geeks and open source fans? And if so, how do they deal with that?
How does Google deal with it or the fans. The fans just look past the silly notion that a company who has responsibilities to it's many shareholders and employees isn't capable of the Jesus like mentality you are suggesting they adhere too. They instead focus on the narcissists way of thinking of what can they do for me that we are all guilty of. If any of us actually new the real internal workings of any of these billion dollar companies it would probably make even the most staunch user of their products shake their head in disgust, that is until they turned on one of their device or use one of their services 10 seconds later. It's fun to to poke around these forums and discuss who is more righteous, shake our fingers at others and say look, look, their not so special after all. Just don't loose site of the fact that we're just being biased, having chosen sides with one inherently evil corporate entity for another. A corporation that wouldn't give you a glass of water if they found you dying in the desert unless you signed a user agreement. If any of us actually truly had any integrity we would all be using FreeBSD installed on products from the host country that they were actually developed and produced from that included a free bumper sticker on ever box stating, "Free the Tibetans".
Striving for perfection ('Jesus like mentality') is good, even if no-one comes close to reaching it; there is nothing silly in doing that. In my experience, Apple strive more than Google.
If you don't like long form work, can't handle sentence complexity and want to be told things you already think, there are any number of vapid blogs you can skim.
It's not that hard to steer clear of AppleInsider on Sunday if you can't handle Daniel Eran Dilger.
I can handle his highly editorialized dreck, but I shouldn't call 'em the way I see 'em? I've been here quite a long time and I don't think his editorializing helps the credibility of this site. He's a polemicist for Apple who actually manages to offend me.
It's a shame that you can't appreciate the best writer on Apple in our time. He is also a fine historian on computing.
So where in the hell is this "more useful" "better product"? All I get is a bunch of totally irrelevant çrap that I can only assume represents whoever paid Google the most to wind up on top of any search. Aside from the Wiki page, which I could have gotten by going there in the first damned place, all I get is page after page of paid product placement. Google is totally worthless.
Back then Google was more useful because ads were text based. It wasn't until they acquired AdSense that the results are the crap you see today. I remember when I first discovered Google. It was by word of mouth from a friend. It was amazing in the early years. The results are still great but just knowing that Google is gathering more information about me each time I use it makes me uncomfortable in continuing to use it and other Google services. Unfortunately I'm not sure if there's any way to completely cut off from Google.
Just don't use it. I don't use a single thing of Google's these days. Back in the glory days, you had ten search results and that was it. If only they had stuck to their guns.
Typically if you call someone out as a liar you'd be expected to specify the lie and state what the truth is. You seem to have missed those parts. I guess what you really meant is you don't agree with the post.
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LOL.
All aboard the GeritolGuy fail train! You do realize that you're looking pretty bad, I mean god damn. You make your opinions as if they're facts, your interpretation on your "Click bait" (which I'd have to ask how much do you make funneling people to these links) is hilarious.
Then you act as a victim, when you're on a website that is basically an Apple fansite, when everyone questions your motives. I wonder if you knock on doors waking others every Saturday morning too "Oh gee golly sir, want a google tower?"
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/180041/googles-current-stance-on-patents-with-android-would-have-prevented-google-from-ever-having-existed/40#post_2539876" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>SpamSandwich</strong> <a href="/t/180041/googles-current-stance-on-patents-with-android-would-have-prevented-google-from-ever-having-existed/40#post_2539876"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/180041/googles-current-stance-on-patents-with-android-would-have-prevented-google-from-ever-having-existed/40#post_2539735" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Corrections</strong> <a href="/t/180041/googles-current-stance-on-patents-with-android-would-have-prevented-google-from-ever-having-existed/40#post_2539735"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />If you don't like long form work, can't handle sentence complexity and want to be told things you already think, there are any number of vapid blogs you can skim.<br /><br />It's not that hard to steer clear of AppleInsider on Sunday if you can't handle Daniel Eran Dilger.</div></div><p> </p><p>I can handle his highly editorialized dreck, but I shouldn't call 'em the way I see 'em? I've been here quite a long time and I don't think his editorializing helps the credibility of this site. He's a polemicist for Apple who actually manages to offend me.</p></div></div><p>It's a shame that you can't appreciate the best writer on Apple in our time. He is also a fine historian on computing.</p>
if he's the best writer on Apple in our time then god help the rest. Half of his writing is well researched and tells a good narrative the other half is off with the faries and just acts as a distraction at best or at worst denigrates his point to the worst type of fanboy rant.
He's not the 'best writer on Apple in our time'. It's pointless reading his work for any insight because you're only ever getting one side of the story. Good writing on Apple would involve a realistic appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses. It wouldn't involve one-sided propagandising, and it certainly wouldn't involve personal attacks on people who use competing products. That's unprofessional.
if he's the best writer on Apple in our time then god help the rest. Half of his writing is well researched and tells a good narrative the other half is off with the faries and just acts as a distraction at best or at worst denigrates his point to the worst type of fanboy rant.
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He's not the 'best writer on Apple in our time'. It's pointless reading his work for any insight because you're only ever getting one side of the story. Good writing on Apple would involve a realistic appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses. It wouldn't involve one-sided propagandising, and it certainly wouldn't involve personal attacks on people who use competing products. That's unprofessional.
When it comes to writing about Apple, I've yet to see a writer be able to "involve a realistic appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses." Everything I read is from one slant or perspective or other, and most often anti-apple or at the least totally misunderstanding Apple's corporate goals or product design.
So, when I read DED's obviously slanted and exaggerated editorials, I totally enjoy them. It's so refreshing to see something so unapologetically pro-Apple. His no-holds-barred point of view warms my cockles and I really hope he never holds back when he writes. His articles are really very well researched and entertaining to read. If you think he's writing to just provide insight then you are not enjoying the article as written. DED is not content to tease the competition or the other side but loved to jerk their chain too.
If how DED writes grinds your gears, then please don't read it. Some of us, especially myself, enjoy how he goes about goring someone else's ox.
When it comes to writing about Apple, I've yet to see a writer be able to "involve a realistic appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses." Everything I read is from one slant or perspective or other, and most often anti-apple or at the least totally misunderstanding Apple's corporate goals or product design.
So, when I read DED's obviously slanted and exaggerated editorials, I totally enjoy them. It's so refreshing to see something so unapologetically pro-Apple. His no-holds-barred point of view warms my cockles and I really hope he never holds back when he writes. His articles are really very well researched and entertaining to read. If you think he's writing to just provide insight then you are not enjoying the article as written. DED is not content to tease the competition or the other side but loved to jerk their chain too.
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Some smallish number of patents were included with the Lenovo sale, but I doubt they'll be specifically mentioned nor even if any of them were involved in any MM litigation.
As for MM being operated separately from Google and with their own board and management that is correct. Google stated several times that MM would have autonomous control of their own operations and there's no evidence Google got involved in their day to day operations or product plans. I also believe that if Google seriously wanted something done as MM's owner they could make it happen.
Euphonious, as I said in my reply to your post it seems that DED/Corrections got b**thurt and decided to delete not only my post but yours as well. Sadly he has long history of not being able to accept criticism and deletes, ignores or responds with childish insults to just about anybody he disagrees with. Ironically he's been corrected a number of times and always responds in such a predictable fashion.
Writing an article then deleting adverse comments doesn't say much for the writer's strength of argument.
Why is he even able to delete posts, anyway? I find it pretty odd that writers of articles have substantial moderation powers on the forums, especially when they have such a clear history of misusing them. But then, I also find it pretty odd that DED feels compelled to have multiple identities on the same website.
Some still refer to the Reality Distortion Field that Steve Jobs made famous. Although it was a term used as a criticism, I remember its effect fondly. One of the last examples I can think of was when he introduced the iPad and described it as 'magic.' It was magic, and it still is!
The hive mentality of the Android tech press is, as DED described, another reality distortion field, but a rather less benign one, and its Queens are Schmidt and Page. I see in those two a casual indifference to any kind of moral value system, which is another side of the autistic-leaning attention-deficit yet attention-seeking mindset, combining a narrow tunnel-vision with a complete lack of focus. They simply couldn't have created the thermonuclear explosion that was iPhone and iPad because of their inability to both see the big picture and also cast aside all distracting fripperies. Apple chooses to sacrifice the endless amazing headlines it would get day after day were it to open up its labs to the insatiable press, instead settling for a laser beam of intent.
Gatorguy must rate as the most revisionist, liar on apple insider?
Typically if you call someone out as a liar you'd be expected to specify the lie and state what the truth is. You seem to have missed those parts. I guess what you really meant is you don't agree with the post.
He's restricted by the character limit for posts.
LOL
If you don't like long form work, can't handle sentence complexity and want to be told things you already think, there are any number of vapid blogs you can skim.
It's not that hard to steer clear of AppleInsider on Sunday if you can't handle Daniel Eran Dilger.
Speaking of things people can't handle. Can you handle one bit of criticism DED/Corrections without degenerating your reply into insults & belittlement? This is getting old and tiresome. Grow up.
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
If you can't handle it, you shouldn't dish it out.
I have no issues. You're the one who can't deal with anyone critical of your articles based on the insults you hurl rather than address the poster's issue(s) with your articles.
If there's one person on this site that can 'deal' with criticism, it's DED. Slurpy's not too bad at it either.
I found this quote from WIkipedia's entry on cognitive dissonance insightful:
Question: does Google's behavior contravene its own image as a do-gooder and principled tech company beloved by geeks and open source fans? And if so, how do they deal with that?
How does Google deal with it or the fans. The fans just look past the silly notion that a company who has responsibilities to it's many shareholders and employees isn't capable of the Jesus like mentality you are suggesting they adhere too. They instead focus on the narcissists way of thinking of what can they do for me that we are all guilty of. If any of us actually new the real internal workings of any of these billion dollar companies it would probably make even the most staunch user of their products shake their head in disgust, that is until they turned on one of their device or use one of their services 10 seconds later. It's fun to to poke around these forums and discuss who is more righteous, shake our fingers at others and say look, look, their not so special after all. Just don't loose site of the fact that we're just being biased, having chosen sides with one inherently evil corporate entity for another. A corporation that wouldn't give you a glass of water if they found you dying in the desert unless you signed a user agreement. If any of us actually truly had any integrity we would all be using FreeBSD installed on products from the host country that they were actually developed and produced from that included a free bumper sticker on ever box stating, "Free the Tibetans".
Striving for perfection ('Jesus like mentality') is good, even if no-one comes close to reaching it; there is nothing silly in doing that. In my experience, Apple strive more than Google.
If you don't like long form work, can't handle sentence complexity and want to be told things you already think, there are any number of vapid blogs you can skim.
It's not that hard to steer clear of AppleInsider on Sunday if you can't handle Daniel Eran Dilger.
I can handle his highly editorialized dreck, but I shouldn't call 'em the way I see 'em? I've been here quite a long time and I don't think his editorializing helps the credibility of this site. He's a polemicist for Apple who actually manages to offend me.
It's a shame that you can't appreciate the best writer on Apple in our time. He is also a fine historian on computing.
You might consider using the multi-quote button.
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So where in the hell is this "more useful" "better product"? All I get is a bunch of totally irrelevant çrap that I can only assume represents whoever paid Google the most to wind up on top of any search. Aside from the Wiki page, which I could have gotten by going there in the first damned place, all I get is page after page of paid product placement. Google is totally worthless.
Back then Google was more useful because ads were text based. It wasn't until they acquired AdSense that the results are the crap you see today. I remember when I first discovered Google. It was by word of mouth from a friend. It was amazing in the early years. The results are still great but just knowing that Google is gathering more information about me each time I use it makes me uncomfortable in continuing to use it and other Google services. Unfortunately I'm not sure if there's any way to completely cut off from Google.
Just don't use it. I don't use a single thing of Google's these days. Back in the glory days, you had ten search results and that was it. If only they had stuck to their guns.
Typically if you call someone out as a liar you'd be expected to specify the lie and state what the truth is. You seem to have missed those parts. I guess what you really meant is you don't agree with the post.
LOL.
All aboard the GeritolGuy fail train! You do realize that you're looking pretty bad, I mean god damn. You make your opinions as if they're facts, your interpretation on your "Click bait" (which I'd have to ask how much do you make funneling people to these links) is hilarious.
Then you act as a victim, when you're on a website that is basically an Apple fansite, when everyone questions your motives. I wonder if you knock on doors waking others every Saturday morning too "Oh gee golly sir, want a google tower?"
if he's the best writer on Apple in our time then god help the rest. Half of his writing is well researched and tells a good narrative the other half is off with the faries and just acts as a distraction at best or at worst denigrates his point to the worst type of fanboy rant.
He's not the 'best writer on Apple in our time'. It's pointless reading his work for any insight because you're only ever getting one side of the story. Good writing on Apple would involve a realistic appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses. It wouldn't involve one-sided propagandising, and it certainly wouldn't involve personal attacks on people who use competing products. That's unprofessional.
When it comes to writing about Apple, I've yet to see a writer be able to "involve a realistic appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses." Everything I read is from one slant or perspective or other, and most often anti-apple or at the least totally misunderstanding Apple's corporate goals or product design.
So, when I read DED's obviously slanted and exaggerated editorials, I totally enjoy them. It's so refreshing to see something so unapologetically pro-Apple. His no-holds-barred point of view warms my cockles and I really hope he never holds back when he writes. His articles are really very well researched and entertaining to read. If you think he's writing to just provide insight then you are not enjoying the article as written. DED is not content to tease the competition or the other side but loved to jerk their chain too.
If how DED writes grinds your gears, then please don't read it. Some of us, especially myself, enjoy how he goes about goring someone else's ox.
I don't enjoy Dilger in the same way I don't enjoy Ann Coulter.