Apple, Inc's WWDC is all about the D: Developers

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  • Reply 21 of 57
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jim Gramze View Post



    There will be pizza and a 2-liter bottle of pop for the show. 

     

    Where are you from? It's kind of strange to use the word pop to describe soda. I'm east coast, and nobody here calls it that. Maybe you're west coast or something?

  • Reply 22 of 57
    richlrichl Posts: 2,213member

    As a developer, I really appreciate the predictability of Apple's events. It makes it easy for us to plan and schedule app updates.

  • Reply 23 of 57
    smarkysmarky Posts: 75member

    Tim Cook is also all about the D ;)

  • Reply 24 of 57
    mreddiemreddie Posts: 14member
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    Hello Daniel
    I really would like to read your thoughts about the Beats deal!
  • Reply 25 of 57
    I'm in Michigan, originally from Detroit. So neither the left or right coast. The word "pop" is very common here, "soda" not so much. Long ago I do remember the term "soda pop", and also the pun: Why do they put carbonation in this sugar water? So da pop tastes good.
  • Reply 26 of 57
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    red oak wrote: »
    I understand and appreciate Apple taking its time to get things right.  But having an 9 month annual quite period and then just releasing an updated version of the iPhone and iPad is not a middle or long term sustainable strategy.   Apple had the whole technology industry back-peddling and in disbelief four years ago.  Not so today.  Everything seems to take extending periods of time, sometimes over the course of years

    With the assets Apple has had  (iOS including latest version take rate, iPhone US mkt share, demographics) I frankly thought the company would be further ahead in their product and service plans by now  

    You aren't the only one saying this, and the last time it came up I tried to make the case that Apple has been caught in a transition period in display production, both in capacity and in new technology outlay. Some lack the ability to reason in simple cause and effect terms, to think it out for themselves, and they keep bringing this issue up, asking for published links, etc.. I don't imagine that's true of you, however, so I'll give it one more try.

    Two years ago, AI had an article that Apple was using up 70% of the world's LTPS display fab capacity for their retina iPhones. All retina projects would have to wait till 2013 and 14 to get upgraded.

    Same with IGZO. Last fall, only the IPad Air got an IGZO screen, which is why it could be so light, but the new Mini Retina did not, though Soneira of DisplayMate said it was set up for IGZO. Instead we got compromised color gamut, which could hardly be Apple's long-term preference, but it indicates their efforts to develop IGZO production with Sharp are still being delayed. Perhaps it's the same with 4K monitors. Only Sharp's monitor is available from Apple, perhaps because of short supply/production difficulties.

    Same with larger-screened phones. We're waiting for new LTPS display capacity so pixel density can increase without battery compromise. Yes, other companies have brought out larger LCDs, but they are feeding off suppliers that could never meet Apple's quantity requirements.

    Most of the new stuff you're missing is based on new screen technology and capacity. This is probably not the release schedule that Apple would choose either. It will no doubt change.

    We should all reason from technology first, product conception, design and marketing second, third and fourth. It was that little hard drive that made the first iPod conceivable, and multitouch capacitive screens that made the iPad and iPhone conceivable.
  • Reply 27 of 57
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    flaneur wrote: »
    You aren't the only one saying this, and the last time it came up I tried to make the case that Apple has been caught in a transition period in display production, both in capacity and in new technology outlay. Some lack the ability to reason in simple cause and effect terms, to think it out for themselves, and they keep bringing this issue up, asking for published links, etc.. I don't imagine that's true of you, however, so I'll give it one more try.

    Two years ago, AI had an article that Apple was using up 70% of the world's LTPS display fab capacity for their retina iPhones. All retina projects would have to wait till 2013 and 14 to get upgraded.

    Same with IGZO. Last fall, only the IPad Air got an IGZO screen, which is why it could be so light, but the new Mini Retina did not, though Soneira of DisplayMate said it was set up for IGZO. Instead we got compromised color gamut, which could hardly be Apple's long-term preference, but it indicates their efforts to develop IGZO production with Sharp are still being delayed. Perhaps it's the same with 4K monitors. Only Sharp's monitor is available from Apple, perhaps because of short supply/production difficulties.

    Same with larger-screened phones. We're waiting for new LTPS display capacity so pixel density can increase without battery compromise. Yes, other companies have brought out larger LCDs, but they are feeding off suppliers that could never meet Apple's quantity requirements.

    Most of the new stuff you're missing is based on new screen technology and capacity. This is probably not the release schedule that Apple would choose either. It will no doubt change.

    We should all reason from technology first, product conception, design and marketing second, third and fourth. It was that little hard drive that made the first iPod conceivable, and multitouch capacitive screens that made the iPad and iPhone conceivable.
    I can't wait to hear about all this revolutionary screen technology later this year from Apple. I would expect then that iPhone 6 will be rated at the best smartphone screen on the market by DisplayMate (right now it's the GS5) and I would assume that iPhone 6 will have the best battery life out of all similar sized smartphones. Can't wait. :)
  • Reply 28 of 57
    I'm not Daniel but I do have opinions on the Beats deal after watching the hour-long re/code interview on the subject with Eddie Cue and Jimmy Iovine.

    One of the most important points that Cue made was that Apple would have done something like this sooner, but all their focus has been on other areas. Now Apple is ready to focus and go all in with audio. Think of what Apple did with the retina display, they now want to focus on sound. Having said that, in my own opinion, the iMac has the best built-in stock speakers of any computer I have ever experienced. They want to take sound to the next level.

    Iovine mostly talked about curation, in the context of a well put together album ordering and crafting the songs so that the entire album would sound good and right when played from beginning to end. He thinks streamed music can be intelligently curated so that when streaming the movement from one song to the next will be pleasing rather than disjointed and jarring. He said that algorithms aren't very good at doing this and that human curation is at least part of the solution. Streaming might get a whole lot more satisfying, but only time will tell.

    It seems that Apple has patented some sort of ear recognition technology for headphones. It further seems that this could lead to the headphones recognizing who has put them on, sort of like a fingerprint sensor. This would allow for the headphones to adjust volume, genre, time of day, and activity. Maybe a specific listener likes different music at different times of day, likes specific music while jogging. Putting on headphones that recognize that you are at the office and thus prefer classical piano music there would be awesome, as would starting your jog and having a setlist starting with "Eye of the Tiger" (or whatever) start playing automatically as you start your run. I expect amazing things along all these lines in the coming months and years. And I expect audio reproduction to improve. Exciting times.
  • Reply 29 of 57
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    @[B]Jim Gramze[/B], thanks for the tip. I didn't know the video was up. Interesting.
  • Reply 30 of 57
    One roll out per quarter. A typical buyer may have an extra $1000 dollars at one in their banks account. Give them time to replenish between quarterly bouts of Apple lust.

    Expecting them to have $4000 to buy everything in one quarter splurge is against the way things work for the financially challenged gismo buyer.

    It is obvious a bean counter decision on reducing production costs rather that a buyer friendly approach to the announcements.
  • Reply 31 of 57
    n2macsn2macs Posts: 87member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Where are you from? It's kind of strange to use the word pop to describe soda. I'm east coast, and nobody here calls it that. Maybe you're west coast or something?

    Pop is short for "Soda pop".
  • Reply 32 of 57
    quadra 610quadra 610 Posts: 6,757member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     


     

    In fine form, sir.    XD

  • Reply 33 of 57
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    apple ][ wrote: »
    Where are you from? It's kind of strange to use the word pop to describe soda. I'm east coast, and nobody here calls it that. Maybe you're west coast or something?

    A must larger geographical region of the US appears to say pop than soda and I'd say it's even a higher number of the population.

    I tend to say the brand name Coke as I was raised in a more Southern State. That usage probably arose because Coca-Cola is out of Atlanta, GA. After that I would probably say cola.

    As a kid I remember ordering a soda in a restaurant in Tampa, FL and the waitress having an awkward reaction to that seemingly simple request. I confirmed my order and she came back with what looked like Sprite of 7-UP. She had brought me soda water which tasted awful. That was probably the last time I used the word soda. Plus, I'm one of those people that like the taste of Coke but not the taste of Pepsi so ordering specifically Coke is better for communication.

    • www.popvssoda.com (map)
    • en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_soft_drinks_in_the_United_States
  • Reply 34 of 57
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    jim gramze wrote: »
    I'm not Daniel but I do have opinions on the Beats deal after watching the hour-long re/code interview on the subject with Eddie Cue and Jimmy Iovine.

    One of the most important points that Cue made was that Apple would have done something like this sooner, but all their focus has been on other areas. Now Apple is ready to focus and go all in with audio. Think of what Apple did with the retina display, they now want to focus on sound. Having said that, in my own opinion, the iMac has the best built-in stock speakers of any computer I have ever experienced. They want to take sound to the next level.

    Iovine mostly talked about curation, in the context of a well put together album ordering and crafting the songs so that the entire album would sound good and right when played from beginning to end. He thinks streamed music can be intelligently curated so that when streaming the movement from one song to the next will be pleasing rather than disjointed and jarring. He said that algorithms aren't very good at doing this and that human curation is at least part of the solution. Streaming might get a whole lot more satisfying, but only time will tell.

    It seems that Apple has patented some sort of ear recognition technology for headphones. It further seems that this could lead to the headphones recognizing who has put them on, sort of like a fingerprint sensor. This would allow for the headphones to adjust volume, genre, time of day, and activity. Maybe a specific listener likes different music at different times of day, likes specific music while jogging. Putting on headphones that recognize that you are at the office and thus prefer classical piano music there would be awesome, as would starting your jog and having a setlist starting with "Eye of the Tiger" (or whatever) start playing automatically as you start your run. I expect amazing things along all these lines in the coming months and years. And I expect audio reproduction to improve. Exciting times.

    I wonder if any of the Beats deal will affect WWDC. I am looking forward to finding out.

    So it's maybe off-topic, but I have to say that was the most entertaining interview I've seen in a long time, if ever. Iovine is a hoot to watch, and he's got a steel-trap mind with no detectable arrogance, except that which he mocks himself for having. I believe the term is self-deprecating.

    Anyway, it looks like what he wants to do is find and establish the new paradigm for the music business, one that leverages the potential of the technology business. It's all epochal, once-in-lifetime stuff, and we're lucky to see it in action. They both, Eddie Cue and Jimmy Iovine, seem to have something big up their sleeves. And they're self-aware.

    We would be fools to sell this deal short in advance. No shortage of that going around, of course, but that just looks like noise from the gallery after watching this interview.

    See it via idownloads, by the way, if you're using an iPad.
  • Reply 35 of 57
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

    In fine form, sir.    XD


     

    I’ve always found it to be vulgar as well as incredibly silly, but the silliness is why I seem to like it.

  • Reply 36 of 57
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I’ve always found it to be vulgar as well as incredibly silly, but the silliness is why I seem to like it.

    I don't get it.
  • Reply 37 of 57
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    One roll out per quarter. A typical buyer may have an extra $1000 dollars at one in their banks account. Give them time to replenish between quarterly bouts of Apple lust.

    Expecting them to have $4000 to buy everything in one quarter splurge is against the way things work for the financially challenged gismo buyer.

    It is obvious a bean counter decision on reducing production costs rather that a buyer friendly approach to the announcements.

    I just spent a while saying it is not a decision, but a result of available technology. I take it you dismissed that argument?

    Anyway, the common, very common, view around here is that it's a marketing (or bean counter) decision. I say you don't know that.
  • Reply 38 of 57
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    I don't get it.

     

    There’s some association with that famous picture of Rene Descartes and the phrase “Give her the D,” referring to sex. Don’t know how it got started, but knowing that and seeing “all about the D”; well…

  • Reply 39 of 57
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    There’s some association with that famous picture of Rene Descartes and the phrase “Give her the D,” referring to sex. Don’t know how it got started, but knowing that and seeing “all about the D”; well…

  • Reply 40 of 57
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post




    Yes, vulgar, but I just find the association to Descartes funny.

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