iOS 8 will bring third-party keyboards, Notification Center widgets, Safari extensions

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  • Reply 41 of 196
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    None of that was on Android before other OSes that arrived up to decades earlier. Your iOS-did-it-after-Android-therefore-Android-did-it-before-everyone-else is absurd logic.

     

    Gotta love that crazy absurd logic.

  • Reply 42 of 196
    boltsfan17boltsfan17 Posts: 2,294member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    As it's been noted ad nauseam pretty much everything in some general form comes to all other HW, SW and services before it Apple releases it. Apple, however, perfects it to a point that the UX is excellent before it releases it. This is why Apple wasn't the first with a fingerprint scanner or the first with cut/copy/paste or the first with a plethora of other poorly integrated fathers that only appeal to douchebags that like to masturbate to spec sheets.

    I would much rather have Apple release something that's polished versus what you see on Android. Android releases features that are basically useless to give Fandroids a hard on over specs.  Take for example LTE. Android phones had LTE first, but only a select few cities had LTE. When Apple updated their phones to LTE, it was around the country. Same thing with NFC. NFC has been pretty much useless until now. I'm sure Apple will add NFC to the next iPhone. I'm sure Fandroid's will say Apple is copying by allowing third party apps with TouchID. Apple's approach is better by polishing TouchID for a year before opening it up to third party apps. It's obvious Apple isn't in the spec war like competing Android devices. By polishing their offerings and not in a rush to release something just for specs like Android, Apple will always have superior competing features. 

  • Reply 43 of 196
    os2babaos2baba Posts: 262member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    None of that was on Android before other OSes that arrived up to decades earlier. Your iOS-did-it-after-Android-therefore-Android-did-it-before-everyone-else is absurd logic.

     

    Some form of notifications was present on other systems.  Not as powerful though.  AFAIK, Intents was unique to Android.  I can't recall ever using any mobile system with as seamless interapp communication.  i.e. search can display results which can take me to a map (another app), which can take me to navigate (another app).  The default apps for each action can be replaced.  And it's not launching different apps, but interspacing screens from different apps.  Hitting the back button takes me back to the source app at the same state. 

     

    However, I do agree with the sentiment.  All OSes stood on the shoulders of the preceding ones and adopted the best features of competing ones.  And we are all richer for it as consumers.  It's hypocrisy of stating otherwise that brings out these schadenfreude comments.

  • Reply 44 of 196
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member

    My sentiments are the same.  I'll take the the opportunity to say "best" over the opportunity to say "first", any day.

  • Reply 45 of 196
    os2babaos2baba Posts: 262member
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    Originally Posted by Boltsfan17 View Post

     

    I would much rather have Apple release something that's polished versus what you see on Android. Android releases features that are basically useless to give Fandroids a hard on over specs.  Take for example LTE. Android phones had LTE first, but only a select few cities had LTE. When Apple updated their phones to LTE, it was around the country. Same thing with NFC. NFC has been pretty much useless until now. I'm sure Apple will add NFC to the next iPhone. I'm sure Fandroid's will say Apple is copying by allowing third party apps with TouchID. Apple's approach is better by polishing TouchID for a year before opening it up to third party apps. It's obvious Apple isn't in the spec war like competing Android devices. By polishing their offerings and not in a rush to release something just for specs like Android, Apple will always have superior competing features. 


     

    LTE is still not everywhere.  By that logic, iPhones should still not have had LTE.  I use NFC every single day on my phone.  I have two NFC tags - one at my bedside and one in my car and I use it to automate a series of tasks.  In many countries people regularly use NFC for making purchases.  Just because it's not widely done in the US, does not mean that the feature was rushed.  It works perfectly right now.

  • Reply 46 of 196
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    boltsfan17 wrote: »
    I would much rather have Apple release something that's polished versus what you see on Android. Android releases features that are basically useless to give Fandroids a hard on over specs.  Take for example LTE. Android phones had LTE first, but only a select few cities had LTE. When Apple updated their phones to LTE, it was around the country. Same thing with NFC. NFC has been pretty much useless until now. I'm sure Apple will add NFC to the next iPhone. I'm sure Fandroid's will say Apple is copying by allowing third party apps with TouchID. Apple's approach is better by polishing TouchID for a year before opening it up to third party apps. It's obvious Apple isn't in the spec war like competing Android devices. By polishing their offerings and not in a rush to release something just for specs like Android, Apple will always have superior competing features. 

    1) Don't forget that when Apple released an LTE iPhone the data usage time for '3G' and LTE was the same. They waited for the 3rd-gen chip.

    2) This WWDC shows how Apple is inherently different from MS and Android. All these complex features have been designed to be so seamless that they seem simple. Most of these I've wanted for years but the logistics between bridging them across multiple OSes and devices, and syncing instantly and intuitively over the cloud was just not ready. What has Google done to make syngeries between Android and Chrome OS or anything else?
  • Reply 47 of 196
    19831983 Posts: 1,225member
    A very good development and about time! But like someone else mentioned here, Notification Centre already looks rather fussy and lacks the elegant simplicity of other parts of iOS. The whole interface needs to be cleaned up and rethought somewhat.
  • Reply 48 of 196
    ezhikezhik Posts: 101member
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    Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

     

    Gotta love that crazy absurd logic.


    From my experience the logic always comes around to that everything was stolen from Apple. Always. Every time. Every product. Even unannounced ones. Even on features Apple never even had. It's all Apple. Apple invented fucking everything. Because it's Apple. Burning Apple juice running through our veins as we all power our souls with iOS and turn our vision into SceneKit. We power our brain with Swift and put on Beats headphones as we continue our trip through the road where every turn will lead us to Apple. Apple is love. Apple is life. 

  • Reply 48 of 196
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    What has Google down to make syngeries between Android and Chrome OS or anything else?

    <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" /> ouch... my sides hurt.. stop!

  • Reply 50 of 196
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
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    Originally Posted by Ezhik View Post

     

    From my experience the logic always comes around to that everything was stolen from Apple. Always. Every time. Every product. Even unannounced ones. Even on features Apple never even had. It's all Apple. Apple invented fucking everything. Because it's Apple. Burning Apple juice running through our veins as we all power our souls with iOS and turn our vision into SceneKit. We power our brain with Swift and put on Beats headphones as we continue our trip through the road where every turn will lead us to Apple. Apple is love. Apple is life. 


    I love being on this side- you obviously have a lot of anger and inadequacy issues.  Poor thing.  It's more fun over here, trust me.

  • Reply 51 of 196
    os2babaos2baba Posts: 262member
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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post





    Considering they demoed it with Swiftkey directly on the screen... it"s obvious you weren't paying attention... as always.



    Yes.... there will be 3rd Party keyboards available.



    @Soli - and did you also miss when Craig said that the keyboards could be used "per-app" and with other functionality seriously limited, unless you choose to do otherwise (he mentioned contact access as an example).

     

    They demoed Swiftkey?  Where?  They added Swiftkey style keyboard.  That's essentially like the Google Keyboard (which also does swiping).  I still prefer Swiftkey which has a good 3 years head start on Google and it shows.  The Google keyboard is good enough.  But Swiftkey is awesome.

     

    Edit: I see that 3rd party keyboards are now finally allowed.  That's truly great. 

  • Reply 52 of 196
    ezhikezhik Posts: 101member
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    Originally Posted by Andysol View Post

     

    I love being on this side- you obviously have a lot of anger and inadequacy issues.  Poor thing.  It's more fun over here, trust me.


    I have been on every side of the border and Apple fans are the craziest ones.

  • Reply 53 of 196
    redhotfuzzredhotfuzz Posts: 307member
    I see the Fandroid Defense Force has been mobilized and deployed to AppleInsider. Nice work GoogBots!
  • Reply 54 of 196
    nexusphannexusphan Posts: 260member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    All Google Play and side loaded apps, the way we're constantly told around here that apps are so much better than the App Store because they aren't curated, are at risk because there is no method for keeping the user safe. Even Apple with their strict methodology has trouble keeping it secure because of the number of developers, apps, app updates, and infinite ways in which malicious code — by a developer — can be hid inside an app undetected. Your claims that there are no Android apps that aren't doing exactly what the customer expects of them is absolute fucking bullshit and you know it.

     

    Even if you sideload apps they are still run through Google Play's server checks for malware the same way Google chrome checks downloads on your desktop computer. Why people bypass these warning messages is beyond me.

    There are so, so, so few examples of these apps on Android and Apple in their respective App stores. I'm not saying it's 100% immune, it's just incredibly more secure than you're believing.

  • Reply 55 of 196
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    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post



    Surprise surprise the trolls and Fandroids show up. What are you all going to do when people switch back to iOS because of some of these features?

    "There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde

     

    When Apple sneezes, everyone runs for a Kleenex.

  • Reply 56 of 196
    redhotfuzzredhotfuzz Posts: 307member
    ezhik wrote: »
    Do you want me to start listing all the iPhone tech that appeared before the iPhone? Slide to unlock in a Neonode phone? Palm devices? Windows Mobile? 

    You forgot Newton (of course you did).
  • Reply 57 of 196
    nexusphannexusphan Posts: 260member
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    Originally Posted by os2baba View Post

     

     

    They demoed Swiftkey?  Where?  They added Swiftkey style keyboard.  That's essentially like the Google Keyboard (which also does swiping).  I still prefer Swiftkey which has a good 3 years head start on Google and it shows.  The Google keyboard is good enough.  But Swiftkey is awesome.


     

    Apple DID open up Keyboards, "widgets" and sharing to 3rd party apps. Pretty remarkable change of heart from Apple and great news for iPhone users. It's a very similar implementation that Android had from day 1, and a feature that iOS users will quickly not be able to live without.

  • Reply 58 of 196
    ezhikezhik Posts: 101member
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    Originally Posted by RedHotFuzz View Post



    I see the Fandroid Defense Force has been mobilized and deployed to AppleInsider. Nice work GoogBots!

    *looks at his iPad*

    *looks at his Surface*

    *looks at his Lumia*

     

    Right.

  • Reply 59 of 196
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
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    Originally Posted by Ezhik View Post

     

    *looks at his iPad*

    *looks at his Surface*

    *looks at his Lumia*

     

    Right.


     

    DaHarder, is that you?

  • Reply 60 of 196
    os2babaos2baba Posts: 262member
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    Originally Posted by os2baba View Post

     

     

    Is the file system now exposed to apps?  I missed that.  And you still can't use a 3rd party keyboard.  The iOS8 keyboard is essentially the Google Keyboard (sans swiping), not the ability to replace it with a better keyboard (Swiftkey, KeePass Keyboard with userId/Password of selected entry, Swype, Minuum etc.)




    I take that back.  It looks like Apple has indeed enabled 3rd party keyboards.  I just saw the QuickType predictive keyboard.  Good for them.

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