I agree. There's a big difference between criticism/argument and trolling, and it's usually glaringly obvious which is which. For instance a particularly prolific troll that has probably racked up over 100 posts simply by entering every thread with an "apple is stupid for buying beats" post. It definitely seems like there could be more done about this issue.
Oh please- Slurpy thinks anything critical is trolling. Meanwhile he's like a pit bull troll- full of vulgarity and himself.If anyone should be banned it should be he for his constant bullying.
Do you have anything other than a weak argument by analogy to support your claims? Will you retract it when you're proven wrong 18 months from now?
I thought so.
I and many other have wanted iDisk back for 2 years now. And not 3 Apple ID's- my @mac.com, my @me.com and my @ iCloud.com- like WTF??? Plus I can't combine my iTunes account which was registered pre all of the above or else I lose my purchase history????
Hello everyone! Long time reader, first time commenter. I'm fairly new to Apple in general (first device was an iPhone 5), so excuse my basic questions. I'm curious, will Apple completely do away with in-device storage in the near future or is iCloud only a backup? I currently don't have much use for iCloud but I want to get to know it, so to speak, if I'll be using it regular some day.
Completely do away with in-device storage? Not in the near future. If that ever happens, then it means there's a ton of functionality in iCloud, and it can be accessed on demand, i.e., similar to Google's vision for Chromebook. I don't think Apple will go that route because they've built an app and content eco-system that relies on local storage.
Recall that when the iPhone was launched in 2007, the only way to write apps for it was Chromebook-style web apps running in Safari. Apple did a very good job with that, but most third party developers scoffed at that. Developers wanted to write native platform code, not web apps. And when Apple finally made that possible, they did by the thousands. Today there are over a million iOS apps in the App Store. And those apps chew up more storage than anything other category of content in my iPhone. Unless developers abandon native apps and jump to writing web apps, I don't think the storage demands on the devices are going to return to zero.
Your question about iCloud being "only a backup" is a good one; I think iCloud is still evolving, and with the changes introduced by iOS 8 and Yosemite, it's clear Apple has got some great ideas about cloud computing beyond mere file backup. Stay tuned.
I would like to see iCloud services being offered to everyone, regardless if they own a Mac or not. I'm actually a very big fan of web apps and fully believe it is the future. I know I will get critism for this but I have a ChromeBox in my bedroom connected to the TV. It's my bedroom entertainment system, I have 100's of ripped BlueRays available through Google Drive and OneDrive, which doesn't require a download to watch them as Google Drive and OneDrive offer direct streaming from their web interfaces. Even going so far as converting videos that have incompatible codecs on the fly. I play my music using Spotify, watch TV with Zattoo in which every Swiss Channel is available in HD and it even looks better than my cable. I can look at all of my photos using OneDrives unbelievablly awesome photoviewer, as every time I take a picture with my Nokia 1020 the photo or video is automatically backed up to it, as well as the RAW photos. The list of great web apps are now in the hundreds if not thousands. Say what you will about Google but they have a very large leap over Apple in this area, one way the Apple can convert Google users is by offering their services to them. I would also love to see an Apple ChromeBook equivalent, which I don't think I have to wait to long.
None of what you're suggesting makes any sense with Apple's business model. iCloud is free for the precise reason of increasing the value of iDevices and Macs, creating synergy between them, and as a value-added service to the hardware. What motivation would Apple have to offer iCloud to those that choose not to use Apple's hardware? iCloud isn't simply file storage. It's deeply embedded in Apple's desktop and mobile OSes, as well as individual apps. This functionality cannot be replicated in hardware and software that Apple does not own. And even if it COULD- again- the question is why offer it? Apple sells you hardware. Google sells you to advertisers. It's not that complicated.
Oh please- Slurpy thinks anything critical is trolling. Meanwhile he's like a pit bull troll- full of vulgarity and himself.If anyone should be banned it should be he for his constant bullying.
You're a liar, and anyone who has seen my posts knows it. You're just drowning in lies. I have no problem with criticism. I have often critisized certain specific aspects of Apple's products, once I made sure my criticism was valid based based on facts. I have a problem with shameless spam bots like yourself, that repeat the same spam in every thread to the detriment of the quality of this forum. Don't make yourself out to be a victim- you know exactly what you're doing, which is engaging in the worst kinds of trolling and spamming possible. But hey, this response to me is probably the first post from you that doesn't include the words Dre and some derogatory comment, so well done.
I often read this forum on my iPhone and have just the comment body zoomed in so I can't see the user id in most cases. I always know when it's slurpy posting without scrolling left to look. I'm right every time.
It may be hard to administer - particularly if you take into account the resale market, but I've always thought that it was unfair that my friend with a 16GB iPhone gets the same 5Gb of cloud storage that I get with my 64GB iPhone 5S, 16GB iPad mini and 32GB iPad 3. At the simplest, they should give 5GB per device - not per account - and an even more fair approach would be to base it on how much total RAM you have in all of the iDevices attached to your account - 25% seems fair. With that model, my friend with the 16GB iPhone would only get 4GB instead of 5GB - but with my 3 devices (64 + 16 + 32), I'd get 28GB of cloud storage. That could be enough to back up most of my stuff and it would be a really good way for Apple to reward customers for purchasing multiple devices and for choosing devices with upgraded RAM - and forget about how I started this post with it being difficult to administer - it would be quite easy to base it on the aggregate of the devices registered to my Apple ID.
It may be hard to administer - particularly if you take into account the resale market, but I've always thought that it was unfair that my friend with a 16GB iPhone gets the same 5Gb of cloud storage that I get with my 64GB iPhone 5S, 16GB iPad mini and 32GB iPad 3. At the simplest, they should give 5GB per device - not per account - and an even more fair approach would be to base it on how much total RAM you have in all of the iDevices attached to your account - 25% seems fair. With that model, my friend with the 16GB iPhone would only get 4GB instead of 5GB - but with my 3 devices (64 + 16 + 32), I'd get 28GB of cloud storage. That could be enough to back up most of my stuff and it would be a really good way for Apple to reward customers for purchasing multiple devices and choosing devices with upgraded RAM - and forget about how I started this post with it being difficult to administer - it would be quite easy to base it on the aggregate of the devices registered to my Apple ID.
The one thing I took home after this chart is Google drive provides the first 15 GB free, and Apple provides just 5 GB free. Apple need to seriously consider providing at least the first 10 GB for free. You bump into that 5 GB limit very, very easily.
Tell them 5 GB for free is too measly when Google gives 15 GB free.
I agree- 5gb isn't nearly enough. But to compare it to google isn't fair. They always give it away or have ridiculously low pricing simply to gain market share, then increase their pricing significantly once they feel somewhat established.
Will we have the normal teething issues whilst Apple Users do Apples research and development for nothing. Apples track record indicates we will be abandoned in 18 months time when a revised scheme breaks.
Apple has lost its way and is no longer leading but is now like Ford, let others come up ideas and then improves it.
I am a very long standing Apple User from the IIE but feel we no longer matter, Apple knows best, well it does not and certainly ignores many issues raised by its users.
Still too expensive. Apple has billions of dollars in the bank, everyone should get 1TB for free. And iPhone and iPad costs should be cut in half. Plus if you buy two iPhones or iPads you should get a free one. Apple can afford it
I agree- 5gb isn't nearly enough. But to compare it to google isn't fair. They always give it away or have ridiculously low pricing simply to gain market share, then increase their pricing significantly once they feel somewhat established.
Out of curiosity, what have they done that with? I'm not overly familiar with Google's prices for cloud storage, but I was under the impression that it's got substantially cheaper over time.
My question is, with you now being able to Share your iTunes account with Family, will the additional iCloud plans cross over and everyone that shares the account be able to have access to all the storage?
And if so when you pool the accounts together can each account add their "free" 5 gigs to the total Space?
I believe a file stored in one user's account should be given access to other family accounts without counting against everyone's quota. There should be some sort of access control that gives others access to one's files. Once access is given, others should not incur any additional storage penalty for having access to this file. There's no point to duplicate the file because it's already on the Apple's servers.
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I agree. There's a big difference between criticism/argument and trolling, and it's usually glaringly obvious which is which. For instance a particularly prolific troll that has probably racked up over 100 posts simply by entering every thread with an "apple is stupid for buying beats" post. It definitely seems like there could be more done about this issue.
Oh please- Slurpy thinks anything critical is trolling. Meanwhile he's like a pit bull troll- full of vulgarity and himself.If anyone should be banned it should be he for his constant bullying.
Do you have anything other than a weak argument by analogy to support your claims? Will you retract it when you're proven wrong 18 months from now?
I thought so.
I and many other have wanted iDisk back for 2 years now. And not 3 Apple ID's- my @mac.com, my @me.com and my @ iCloud.com- like WTF??? Plus I can't combine my iTunes account which was registered pre all of the above or else I lose my purchase history????
Like COME ON!!!
Hello everyone! Long time reader, first time commenter. I'm fairly new to Apple in general (first device was an iPhone 5), so excuse my basic questions. I'm curious, will Apple completely do away with in-device storage in the near future or is iCloud only a backup? I currently don't have much use for iCloud but I want to get to know it, so to speak, if I'll be using it regular some day.
Completely do away with in-device storage? Not in the near future. If that ever happens, then it means there's a ton of functionality in iCloud, and it can be accessed on demand, i.e., similar to Google's vision for Chromebook. I don't think Apple will go that route because they've built an app and content eco-system that relies on local storage.
Recall that when the iPhone was launched in 2007, the only way to write apps for it was Chromebook-style web apps running in Safari. Apple did a very good job with that, but most third party developers scoffed at that. Developers wanted to write native platform code, not web apps. And when Apple finally made that possible, they did by the thousands. Today there are over a million iOS apps in the App Store. And those apps chew up more storage than anything other category of content in my iPhone. Unless developers abandon native apps and jump to writing web apps, I don't think the storage demands on the devices are going to return to zero.
Your question about iCloud being "only a backup" is a good one; I think iCloud is still evolving, and with the changes introduced by iOS 8 and Yosemite, it's clear Apple has got some great ideas about cloud computing beyond mere file backup. Stay tuned.
Thanks for your response Suddenly Newton. After reading your comment, one thing is clear to me....
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I don't know much about how computers work!
More learning needed!
I would like to see iCloud services being offered to everyone, regardless if they own a Mac or not. I'm actually a very big fan of web apps and fully believe it is the future. I know I will get critism for this but I have a ChromeBox in my bedroom connected to the TV. It's my bedroom entertainment system, I have 100's of ripped BlueRays available through Google Drive and OneDrive, which doesn't require a download to watch them as Google Drive and OneDrive offer direct streaming from their web interfaces. Even going so far as converting videos that have incompatible codecs on the fly. I play my music using Spotify, watch TV with Zattoo in which every Swiss Channel is available in HD and it even looks better than my cable. I can look at all of my photos using OneDrives unbelievablly awesome photoviewer, as every time I take a picture with my Nokia 1020 the photo or video is automatically backed up to it, as well as the RAW photos. The list of great web apps are now in the hundreds if not thousands. Say what you will about Google but they have a very large leap over Apple in this area, one way the Apple can convert Google users is by offering their services to them. I would also love to see an Apple ChromeBook equivalent, which I don't think I have to wait to long.
None of what you're suggesting makes any sense with Apple's business model. iCloud is free for the precise reason of increasing the value of iDevices and Macs, creating synergy between them, and as a value-added service to the hardware. What motivation would Apple have to offer iCloud to those that choose not to use Apple's hardware? iCloud isn't simply file storage. It's deeply embedded in Apple's desktop and mobile OSes, as well as individual apps. This functionality cannot be replicated in hardware and software that Apple does not own. And even if it COULD- again- the question is why offer it? Apple sells you hardware. Google sells you to advertisers. It's not that complicated.
Oh please- Slurpy thinks anything critical is trolling. Meanwhile he's like a pit bull troll- full of vulgarity and himself.If anyone should be banned it should be he for his constant bullying.
You're a liar, and anyone who has seen my posts knows it. You're just drowning in lies. I have no problem with criticism. I have often critisized certain specific aspects of Apple's products, once I made sure my criticism was valid based based on facts. I have a problem with shameless spam bots like yourself, that repeat the same spam in every thread to the detriment of the quality of this forum. Don't make yourself out to be a victim- you know exactly what you're doing, which is engaging in the worst kinds of trolling and spamming possible. But hey, this response to me is probably the first post from you that doesn't include the words Dre and some derogatory comment, so well done.
I always know when it's slurpy posting without scrolling left to look. I'm right every time.
I'll pay a bit more than I pay now to Apple for 20GB and take the 200, then I'll be able to turn my iCloud backups back on.
25GB just isn't enough for two 64GB iPhones and a 64GB iPad.
It's better value than paying Dropbox $120 for 100GB, I'll still have the free 5GB and the extra I got from spamming my friends.
It may be hard to administer - particularly if you take into account the resale market, but I've always thought that it was unfair that my friend with a 16GB iPhone gets the same 5Gb of cloud storage that I get with my 64GB iPhone 5S, 16GB iPad mini and 32GB iPad 3. At the simplest, they should give 5GB per device - not per account - and an even more fair approach would be to base it on how much total RAM you have in all of the iDevices attached to your account - 25% seems fair. With that model, my friend with the 16GB iPhone would only get 4GB instead of 5GB - but with my 3 devices (64 + 16 + 32), I'd get 28GB of cloud storage. That could be enough to back up most of my stuff and it would be a really good way for Apple to reward customers for purchasing multiple devices and choosing devices with upgraded RAM - and forget about how I started this post with it being difficult to administer - it would be quite easy to base it on the aggregate of the devices registered to my Apple ID.
Leave iCloud feedback at: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
The one thing I took home after this chart is Google drive provides the first 15 GB free, and Apple provides just 5 GB free. Apple need to seriously consider providing at least the first 10 GB for free. You bump into that 5 GB limit very, very easily.
Leave iCloud feedback at: http://www.apple.com/feedback/
Here's a better link: http://www.apple.com/feedback/icloud.html
Tell them 5 GB for free is too measly when Google gives 15 GB free.
I agree- 5gb isn't nearly enough. But to compare it to google isn't fair. They always give it away or have ridiculously low pricing simply to gain market share, then increase their pricing significantly once they feel somewhat established.
I hope this is sarcasm.
I agree- 5gb isn't nearly enough. But to compare it to google isn't fair. They always give it away or have ridiculously low pricing simply to gain market share, then increase their pricing significantly once they feel somewhat established.
Out of curiosity, what have they done that with? I'm not overly familiar with Google's prices for cloud storage, but I was under the impression that it's got substantially cheaper over time.
I believe a file stored in one user's account should be given access to other family accounts without counting against everyone's quota. There should be some sort of access control that gives others access to one's files. Once access is given, others should not incur any additional storage penalty for having access to this file. There's no point to duplicate the file because it's already on the Apple's servers.