I imagine it would be Beta vs. VHS all over again.
Originally Posted by reroll
So much for net neutrality.
Well, so much for your understanding of the concept, at least.
Originally Posted by waterrockets
Verizon iPhones are not CDMA, not GSM. So with a GSM phone you get to swap SIM cards and jump networks. A Verizon phone is stuck there.
Nope.
An iPhone purchased on Verizon runs off its CDMA hardware, but any SIM can be installed and work perfectly fine. The opposite is not true; A GSM iPhone isn’t unlocked for CDMA (or wasn’t; it might be now).
I wonder when someone will just start selling data by the Mb. Once someone breeches that threshold, things will get much nicer in the US.
Yeah, I guess the best would be pay for access to the backbone and everything would be priced based on the usage of the hive?
As it is, I'd rather pay for what I "use" than pay for what I might use, although it would indeed be better to just pay for access... depending on the price.
Back to this music streaming thing, I guess it is a little surprising for T-Mobile to violate net neutrality like this.
As it is, I'd rather pay for what I "use" than pay for what I might use, although it would indeed be better to just pay for access... depending on the price.
I dunno; the flat price model tends to work out for every other instance of Internet use. The people who use below the metric always balance out the people who use above.
I know the cynics will be out in force. So let me say upfront: It's fantastic to see a phone company actually trying push the envelope.
What envelope, it's been this way in Switzerland for the last 2 years. it also includes things like streaming TV. It's nice to see you guys finally getting with the times though, even if it's only with T-Mobile.
I know the cynics will be out in force. So let me say upfront: It's fantastic to see a phone company actually trying push the envelope.
What envelope, it's been this way in Switzerland for the last 2 years. it also includes things like streaming TV. It's nice to see you guys finally getting with the times though, even if it's only with T-Mobile.
Good for you.
On the flip side, you have to live in Switzerland. We get to live in the USA!
On the flip side, you have to live in Switzerland. We get to live in the USA!
Oh my gosh, nooooooo, I have to live in one of wealthiest countries in the world with one of the lowest tax rates, unemployment of 2.6 percent right now and where the low income families hit around 37,000 dollars a year. Yeah, we're sucking hard. I'm just kidding, I like America too.
My step father used to always say he stuck with Verizon because it had the best call network based on the range of areas it covered. Yet he never left Ann Arbor Michigan where both Tmobile and AT&T have great coverage. Tmobile for a lot less. I have had tmobile for 8 years and have traveled to various places in the US with no problems making and receiving calls. In some remote areas of Michigan, data is sometimes a problem, but I am hardly in those areas.
Further, I remember when AT&T first got the iPhone. Lots of people complained about data speed. Yet as AT&T grew its business, data speeds improved. Since the proposed merger with AT&T died, TMobile has greatly improved its data speeds as well.
For many people Tmobile is a great option.
Just hoping the Sprint acquisition doesn't mess the whole thing up, tho' I hear Legere's in line to run the combined op (CDMA/GSM incompatibilities and all).
Oh my gosh, nooooooo, I have to live in one of wealthiest countries in the world with one of the lowest tax rates, unemployment of 2.6 percent right now and where the low income families hit around 37,000 dollars a year. Yeah, we're sucking hard. I'm just kidding, I like America too. ;)
I've been to Switzerland many times. Lovely country, great people.
No offense, but I'll take the chaos, creativity, culture, rambunctiousness, craziness, influence, wit, wisdom, stupidity, breadth, depth, and freedoms of the USA compared to the bucolic, pastoral sterility and derivative culture of Switzerland any day. It's a state-of-mind thing.
Read wikipedia. Here's a preview: Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication.
Read wikipedia. Here's a preview: Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication.
Yep. And that has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
You know, it's OK to be wrong sometimes, for a change you could just admit it.
Except this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is T-Mobile letting streaming music not count toward your CAPPED AND THROTTLED data limit. THIER data limit. The one THEY impose.
You are advocating for them to CAP AND THROTTLE THE ENTIRE INTERNET instead of NOT doing that.
Except this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is T-Mobile letting streaming music not count toward your CAPPED AND THROTTLED data limit. THIER data limit. The one THEY impose.
You are advocating for them to CAP AND THROTTLE THE ENTIRE INTERNET instead of NOT doing that.
I guess this is what you don't understand.
1- I'm not advocating T-Mobile to cap anything
2- A data limit may still be net neutral if it doesn't target anything specific (e.g., content, protocol), even if it sucks to have any kind of data limit
3- What is not net neutral here is that they promote a specific set of services by not imposing any data limit on these services only
4- What T-Mobile is doing is a step towards limitless mobile internet, but is against net neutrality principles nonetheless
5- If you're OK with this, I'm sure you'll be OK when your provider tells you to pay extra for Youtube, Netflix, or peer-to-peer.
Chile became the first country in the world to pass net neutrality legislation in 2010.[26] The laws adopted there prohibit organizations such as Facebook and Wikipediafrom subsidizing mobile data usage of consumers.
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I imagine it would be Beta vs. VHS all over again.
Well, so much for your understanding of the concept, at least.
Nope.
An iPhone purchased on Verizon runs off its CDMA hardware, but any SIM can be installed and work perfectly fine. The opposite is not true; A GSM iPhone isn’t unlocked for CDMA (or wasn’t; it might be now).
Nicer? No. That’s the end of everything.
Yeah, I guess the best would be pay for access to the backbone and everything would be priced based on the usage of the hive?
As it is, I'd rather pay for what I "use" than pay for what I might use, although it would indeed be better to just pay for access... depending on the price.
Back to this music streaming thing, I guess it is a little surprising for T-Mobile to violate net neutrality like this.
As it is, I'd rather pay for what I "use" than pay for what I might use, although it would indeed be better to just pay for access... depending on the price.
I dunno; the flat price model tends to work out for every other instance of Internet use. The people who use below the metric always balance out the people who use above.
I know the cynics will be out in force. So let me say upfront: It's fantastic to see a phone company actually trying push the envelope.
What envelope, it's been this way in Switzerland for the last 2 years. it also includes things like streaming TV. It's nice to see you guys finally getting with the times though, even if it's only with T-Mobile.
Good for you.
On the flip side, you have to live in Switzerland. We get to live in the USA!
Good for you.
On the flip side, you have to live in Switzerland. We get to live in the USA!
Oh my gosh, nooooooo, I have to live in one of wealthiest countries in the world with one of the lowest tax rates, unemployment of 2.6 percent right now and where the low income families hit around 37,000 dollars a year. Yeah, we're sucking hard. I'm just kidding, I like America too.
My step father used to always say he stuck with Verizon because it had the best call network based on the range of areas it covered. Yet he never left Ann Arbor Michigan where both Tmobile and AT&T have great coverage. Tmobile for a lot less. I have had tmobile for 8 years and have traveled to various places in the US with no problems making and receiving calls. In some remote areas of Michigan, data is sometimes a problem, but I am hardly in those areas.
Further, I remember when AT&T first got the iPhone. Lots of people complained about data speed. Yet as AT&T grew its business, data speeds improved. Since the proposed merger with AT&T died, TMobile has greatly improved its data speeds as well.
For many people Tmobile is a great option.
Just hoping the Sprint acquisition doesn't mess the whole thing up, tho' I hear Legere's in line to run the combined op (CDMA/GSM incompatibilities and all).
I've been to Switzerland many times. Lovely country, great people.
No offense, but I'll take the chaos, creativity, culture, rambunctiousness, craziness, influence, wit, wisdom, stupidity, breadth, depth, and freedoms of the USA compared to the bucolic, pastoral sterility and derivative culture of Switzerland any day. It's a state-of-mind thing.
Yep. And that has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
Yep. And that has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
Here, I'm highlighting and selecting the important part for you:
not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content
You know, it's OK to be wrong sometimes, for a change you could just admit it.
You know, it's OK to be wrong sometimes, for a change you could just admit it.
Except this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is T-Mobile letting streaming music not count toward your CAPPED AND THROTTLED data limit. THIER data limit. The one THEY impose.
You are advocating for them to CAP AND THROTTLE THE ENTIRE INTERNET instead of NOT doing that.
Except this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with that. This is T-Mobile letting streaming music not count toward your CAPPED AND THROTTLED data limit. THIER data limit. The one THEY impose.
You are advocating for them to CAP AND THROTTLE THE ENTIRE INTERNET instead of NOT doing that.
I guess this is what you don't understand.
1- I'm not advocating T-Mobile to cap anything
2- A data limit may still be net neutral if it doesn't target anything specific (e.g., content, protocol), even if it sucks to have any kind of data limit
3- What is not net neutral here is that they promote a specific set of services by not imposing any data limit on these services only
4- What T-Mobile is doing is a step towards limitless mobile internet, but is against net neutrality principles nonetheless
5- If you're OK with this, I'm sure you'll be OK when your provider tells you to pay extra for Youtube, Netflix, or peer-to-peer.
4- What T-Mobile is doing is a step towards limitless mobile internet, but is against net neutrality principles nonetheless
So net neutrality advocates for ONLY the equality of data? Even if that data is equally limited to paying per bit? I doubt that.
Nah, that doesn’t follow from this.
So net neutrality advocates for ONLY the equality of data? Even if that data is equally limited to paying per bit? I doubt that.
Yep. Once again I strongly encourage you to read the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality
Another quote to make my point:
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Chile became the first country in the world to pass net neutrality legislation in 2010.[26] The laws adopted there prohibit organizations such as Facebook and Wikipedia from subsidizing mobile data usage of consumers.
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Yeah, it's pretty clear that this T-Mobile move is against net neutrality.