Samsung predicts massive profit decline, blames slumping smartphone sales

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  • Reply 101 of 176
    ash471ash471 Posts: 705member
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    Originally Posted by freediverx View Post

     

     

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    So after listing clear, recent examples of Apple innovation and technological prowess, which corporate pariah Samsung has been unable to copy, and after acknowledging that it's impossible for any company to introduce revolutionary products every year, you then contradict yourself by claiming you don't find them innovative? Who do you find innovative? Samsung? Google? Microsoft?

     

     

    Apple didn't invent the touchscreen - they did much more than that. After many years of the top tech companies in the world producing and refining their cell phones, Apple introduced a product that completely revolutionized the field in multiple ways. They perfected the touchscreen - not just in terms of responsiveness and display clarity, but also in user interface design. Ridiculed by both the press and competitors alike, they did away with the tired idea of cramming a desktop UI into a handheld device and completely simplified it to the point where anyone could instantly figure out how to use it with little or no instruction. They delivered the first real mobile web browsing experience that didn't suck. They incorporated a multitude of sensors and leveraged them to make the device work like magic.

     

    All this with version 1.0 of a product with which they had zero experience. And all of this they continue to do today, albeit in a more iterative fashion since as you readily admit, it's impossible to change the world on a regular yearly schedule.

     

    No offense, but you come across as the stereotypical PC guy: focused entirely on a product's spec sheet with little regard for real word utility - little appreciation for things like good design, high quality materials, and a company's focus on its end users' satisfaction, privacy and security. Apple often mentions focusing on the intersection of technology and liberal arts. You seem to have a limited understanding of one and a total disregard for the other.


    Totally agree.  Remember when all the pundits said that the iPhone would be a paper weight and that Apple had no business getting into the smartphone market?  Remember how they all told us that the business world would never use a phone without a physical keyboard?  Remember how everyone said the iPhone was just a "toy."  Remember how the iPad was just a big iPod touch?

    In patent law, commercial success and copying are two important indicia of non-obviousness.  I've always thought that Apple should have tried to get broader utility patents on the iPhone simply based on its commercial success and copying.  They should be able to shut Samsung down.

  • Reply 102 of 176
    vaporlandvaporland Posts: 358member
    Go Android! Go Google! Go Scamstung! Go Go Go!

    In a race to the bottom, gravity gets you down as you achieve terminal velocity towards controlled impact into terrain...

    Google's most profitable Android partner is losing altitude. But, hey, just [B]look[/B] at that market share!

    Go Go Go!
  • Reply 103 of 176
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
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    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

     

     

    Samsung is not good in business.

     

    They got lucky.  Flat out.  They stumbled upon making GIAGANTIC screens and the market ate it up.  There would always be a huge market for Android phones because of price.  Samsung was just the lucky one.  It will only go down hill from now on.  Profits are down 25% and top end unit sales are down 35%.  Soon they will need to cut marketing and that will lessen sales even more.  The Chinese companies will destroy Samsung's mid-range phones and they will be forced to cut prices even more.

     

    Can you say Nokia 2.0?


    This.

     

    The things Samsung does best are strealing, bribing governments, and turning a blind eye for a decade while their employees get cancer.  They have those 3 things down to an art.

  • Reply 104 of 176
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by freediverx View Post

     

     

    ?_?

     

    So after listing clear, recent examples of Apple innovation and technological prowess, which corporate pariah Samsung has been unable to copy, and after acknowledging that it's impossible for any company to introduce revolutionary products every year, you then contradict yourself by claiming you don't find them innovative? Who do you find innovative? Samsung? Google? Microsoft?

     

     

    Apple didn't invent the touchscreen - they did much more than that. After many years of the top tech companies in the world producing and refining their cell phones, Apple introduced a product that completely revolutionized the field in multiple ways. They perfected the touchscreen - not just in terms of responsiveness and display clarity, but also in user interface design. Ridiculed by both the press and competitors alike, they did away with the tired idea of cramming a desktop UI into a handheld device and completely simplified it to the point where anyone could instantly figure out how to use it with little or no instruction. They delivered the first real mobile web browsing experience that didn't suck. They incorporated a multitude of sensors and leveraged them to make the device work like magic.

     

    All this with version 1.0 of a product with which they had zero experience. And all of this they continue to do today, albeit in a more iterative fashion since as you readily admit, it's impossible to change the world on a regular yearly schedule.

     

    No offense, but you come across as the stereotypical PC guy: focused entirely on a product's spec sheet with little regard for real word utility - little appreciation for things like good design, high quality materials, and a company's focus on its end users' satisfaction, privacy and security. Apple often mentions focusing on the intersection of technology and liberal arts. You seem to have a limited understanding of one and a total disregard for the other.


     

    I never said that Apple was not innovative as a company, I was talking in regards to the iPhone. As another member pointed out, Apple has been the most innovative tech company in regards to the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. I give them credit for setting the bar for all of those devices, and setting the path for others to mirror off of. Yes, prior to the iPhone all other phones had a keyboard and small non-touch screen, and there wasn't much innovation at all during that time until Apple introduced the iPhone, and all others followed. They did provide a web browsing experience that wasn't "watered-down." I'll never forget the first time I opened a website and the difference in it between my then Cingular flip phone. 

     

    Stereotypical PC guy. I haven't heard that one yet, but as mentioned in my other post, I own a Macbook Pro 15" that I'm absolutely in love with, and I'll never go back to PC. You mention specs and how your "stereotypical PC guy" is only focused on the specs it comes with and not the function. I upgraded my RAM to 8GB and my harddrive to a SSD, but that's so my laptop continues to run smoothly while operating intense programs such as Photoshop and Lightroom. 

     

    I'm assuming by your last sentence you claim I have little understanding of technology and no regard for liberal arts or design, but that is far from the truth. I believe in function over form, but the iPhone delivers both for me. Compared to my S4, I grab my iPhone nine out of ten times to do things related to productivity and general work, regardless of the smaller screen. Why? Because it just seems to work better. It's hard to explain, but I use my iPhone if I want to get things done, and my Android for things like games/social media where a larger screen is more important. I'm sure you can relate to that as well, but the functionally of iOS is there, for both mobile and desktop. 

  • Reply 105 of 176
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    Samsung's pain will grow when Apple's healthy numbers come out for the latest quarter.
  • Reply 106 of 176
    freediverxfreediverx Posts: 1,419member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mostcallmerob View Post

     

    I never said that Apple was not innovative as a company, I was talking in regards to the iPhone. As another member pointed out, Apple has been the most innovative tech company in regards to the iPod, iPhone, and iPad. I give them credit for setting the bar for all of those devices, and setting the path for others to mirror off of. Yes, prior to the iPhone all other phones had a keyboard and small non-touch screen, and there wasn't much innovation at all during that time until Apple introduced the iPhone, and all others followed. They did provide a web browsing experience that wasn't "watered-down." I'll never forget the first time I opened a website and the difference in it between my then Cingular flip phone. 

     

    Stereotypical PC guy. I haven't heard that one yet, but as mentioned in my other post, I own a Macbook Pro 15" that I'm absolutely in love with, and I'll never go back to PC. You mention specs and how your "stereotypical PC guy" is only focused on the specs it comes with and not the function. I upgraded my RAM to 8GB and my harddrive to a SSD, but that's so my laptop continues to run smoothly while operating intense programs such as Photoshop and Lightroom. 

     

    I'm assuming by your last sentence you claim I have little understanding of technology and no regard for liberal arts or design, but that is far from the truth. I believe in function over form, but the iPhone delivers both for me. Compared to my S4, I grab my iPhone nine out of ten times to do things related to productivity and general work, regardless of the smaller screen. Why? Because it just seems to work better. It's hard to explain, but I use my iPhone if I want to get things done, and my Android for things like games/social media where a larger screen is more important. I'm sure you can relate to that as well, but the functionally of iOS is there, for both mobile and desktop. 




    Everything you just wrote contradicts the tone of everything you've ever posted on this forum, lol. As you noticed, I did look up your comment history, and everything you've posted has been a snide remark against Apple or in defense of Android. 

     

    Are you trolling for shits and giggles?

     

  • Reply 107 of 176
    mejsricmejsric Posts: 150member
    Die Samesung Die.

    After iPhone 6 it will get worst.
  • Reply 108 of 176
    Samsung should stick to just making components and TV's. I have one thing in my house made by Samsung and that's my 10 year old microwave. I have to give them kudos on their kitchen appliances.
  • Reply 109 of 176
    thomprthompr Posts: 1,516member
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    Originally Posted by mostcallmerob View Post

     

    You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. 


    Either you think we are ignorant, or you are.  Because you left out some of the real innovative stuff that happened with iPhone hardware over the last year or so, and even Sammy with all of their resources can't match them.  Go figure it out and then come back with tail between legs.

  • Reply 110 of 176
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,500member
    ash471 wrote: »
    What makes Samsung good business people is that they recognized there wasn't time to develop a platform from scratch.  Wholesale copying was the only chance they had.  I'm not condoning the copying.  I'm just saying that Samsung is a better-run company than Microsoft, Blackberry, Nokia, etc, because Samsung recognized the path to success.  And it wasn't just because Samdung has a culture of copying and companies like Microsoft don't.  Quite the contrary, Microsoft has a history of copying and anti-competition.  No, I think Microsoft took a different approach because MS thought it could do a better job.  MS has this delusional belief that it has a successful brand when in reality it has a successful monopoly.  If anything, MS's brand has negative value.      

    I agree with you say, especially about Microsoft. Their attempts at being original for the first time in their history has been a complete failure. Microsoft is a company about not to be here if they are not careful. The rest already left.
  • Reply 111 of 176
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,356member
     
    You forgot the /sarcasm tag.

    Thank you for reading between the lines. 

    Actually, I forgot the /sarcasm tag.

    Just chill a bit, while you're at it.
  • Reply 112 of 176
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,500member
    Samsung's pain will grow when Apple's healthy numbers come out for the latest quarter.

    Agreed. I have to think they are having a very serious rethink about their strategy going forward. It's not too late for them to change. It's not as if, other than Apple, they have any competition.
  • Reply 113 of 176
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,072member
    You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. 

    64-bit chip, co-processor for gyro data, a fingerprint scanner that actually works, super smooth and fluid UI, etc...to name a few.
  • Reply 114 of 176
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,811member
    andysol wrote: »
    You didn't answer my question at all.  I said name a single company that has released 3 revolutionary products in the last 15 years.  I didn't say name revolutionary things- that would be ludicrous.  I said name a company.  Which, of course, you can't do.

    Apple is the innovator the past decade and a half.  Particularly in the technology field.  Period.


    You're the clown that came in here touting that Apple doesn't innovate anything.  So when you come in here with that douchebag attitude, don't expect to kindly be responded to.  Douchebags will be responded to like douchebags should be responded to.

    He/she is going to dodge the question of specifics, or make some sloppy generalizations. Nothing more. A classic case of starting with their conclusion and then cherry picking "evidence" to support it while ignoring the rest.
  • Reply 115 of 176
    abazigalabazigal Posts: 114member
    <p>You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market? They keep making their phones slimmer, upgrading internals with better chips, increasing screen resolution, and now following Samsung, they are finally increasing their screen size to something respectable. You think that innovation is slimming down and making a screen bigger, big whoop. </p>

    they were the first to create products that looked great and work greet for me. Which is as good an innovation as any.

    When I was looking for a way to control the smart board in my classroom wirelessly in 2012, only the Apple TV presented itself as a viable alternative. It was easy to setup and figure out, and remains one of the more reliable means of doing so, which I feel is impressive considering it hasn't been updated in 2 years.

    I moved to a Mac in 2011 and haven't looked back since. Apple products represent integrated solutions which "just work" for me, and have more than paid for themselves in the form of improved productivity and fewer headaches.

    If apple isn't innovating, then nobody else in the smartphone, tablet or computing industry is innovating, IMO.
  • Reply 116 of 176
    bobbyfozzbobbyfozz Posts: 97member

    In my post #3 some idiot replied that what I wrote was a rant without details. Of course it was a rant, it just was a short one. Samsung's dishonesty is catching up with Samsung. Do I need proof? This is what happens in business when you are disingenuous for too long of a period of time. Samsung is trying to outspend it's competitors, leak (ha) false information, and despite all the money spent, it isn't working but they think if they pump more coal in the furnace it HAS to work. Apple Insider doesn't NOT require "rants" to be missing from this website, we are expressing our displeasure where as you want to concentrate, like some others do, on spelling grammar, and rants. Elementary school is over bud!

  • Reply 117 of 176
    suddenly newtonsuddenly newton Posts: 13,811member
    You guys speak of innovation and Apple, but honestly, what innovation have they supplied to the smartphone market?

    The use of an intuitive, fluidly responsive multitouch UI designed to be used without a stylus. This revolutionized all smartphones. Competitors had to copy it or see their marketshare decline. Blackberry and Nokia still picking up the pieces of their former businesses. Palm already died. Windows Mobile saw their marketshare collapse.
  • Reply 118 of 176
    mejsricmejsric Posts: 150member
    With Sapphire iPhone 6 people will know which phone is truly premium
  • Reply 119 of 176
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    You sir, should probably shut up and go away. Having 33,000 posts in less than four years is disgusting. That's a rough average of 23 a day, do you have a life? Let me answer that for you. No, you don't, you sit on your computer all day posting on a forum dedicated to Apple. Get out of your "coma" and go outside. 

    Shut up and go away, you useless, pathetic troll. You have no argument. Every single word you have said has been disproven. Nothing you say is even remotely correct. You have absolutely no right to continue posting whatsoever. It is not your opinion. Trolling is not an opinion.
    I don't find them innovative. 

    Good for you. You're completely and utterly wrong.
  • Reply 120 of 176
    revenantrevenant Posts: 621member
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    Originally Posted by ash471 View Post

     

    Sounds easy on paper, but I think Tizen would be a disaster.  Samsung customers are like Microsoft customers.  They didn't care about performance to begin with, which is why they chose Samsung (or Microsoft) in the first place.  Once they learned how to use their shitty software, the worst thing you can do to them is make them learn new shitty software.  Look at Microsoft XP customers. MS can't get them to upgrade over a decade later. Every new MS OS release is followed by years of bitching.  While quality shares part of the blame, a big part of it is the customers. Think about it, if the Samdung customers were smart enough or wealthy enough to select good software, they wouldn't be using Samdung or MS in the first place.  The galaxy S owners over the age of 50 are the one exception. They need the bigger screen to avoid using reading glasses.     

     

    Also, Samsung just tried Tizen on some of its watches and it didn't go well.  They are now going to release watches for Android.  If Samsung experiments with Tizen on the Galaxy S phones, I think it will be very short lived.


     

    I am going to go ahead and guess you have little experience actually using android, let alone a galaxy s5.  there are some really nice things one can do with android and on the samsung s5. And let's face it- neither of us know much about how great Tizen can be, as i doubt you touched the watch that had the software. A watch is not a good identifier of how the software would be on a phone. The best thing Samsung could do it to distance itself from android.

     

    How great was iOS on the iPod shuffle? How well did that sell? Let's not pretend that Apple has never had a flop. Great company? No doubts, innovative and pushing hard for the future, i love every Apple product i have ever bought. But you cannot presume to know about Tizen and Samsung's choices regarding the software because no one bought the watch it was on- nearly no one bought the iOS laden iPod shuffle with a screen, and so Apple changed it back.  

     

    There are probably more power users on android than there is iOS, because android lets you roll up your sleeves and do some extra. 

     

    And microsoft is not even in the same league when it comes to the smartphone sphere, they should not have been brought up in the first place. The performance on the S5 is better than any other android crap i have ever messed around with.  

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