No one anywhere is saying choose less qualified candidates. If you think minorities are less qualified, that is your opinion. The fact that these tech companies have a majority of white male workers, doesn't mean that minorities are not qualified to work for these companies. How are you measuring qualified?
Of all companies to hit up for an affirmative action style issue I would pick Apple as the last candidate. In all actuality I would mark this to be true of most Silicon Valley companies (meaning most Silicon Valley companies tend to be ethnically diverse and gender neutral). Heck, California is probably the stereotype of diversity as most other US states make California up to be. What is this crap and why Apple?
I've used Macs since the mid-1980s and have never owned WinPCs. Over the years I noticed that not many non-Whites used Apple products -- I would imagine that there were many reasons for this.
Also, a lot of Apple recruitment is done through head-hunting rather than advertising vacancies, which is usually reserved for "lower end" posts.
No one anywhere is saying choose less qualified candidates. If you think minorities are less qualified, that is your opinion. The fact that these tech companies have a majority of white male workers, doesn't mean that minorities are not qualified to work for these companies. How are you measuring qualified?
Diversity and affirmative action leads to lesser qualified people, as they are able to jump ahead of people that are more qualified and smarter than they are.
You're applying for a job as a policeman or fireman in certain places, and you didn't score that great on your test? No problem, our wonderful system will grant you a spot ahead of other people that are more qualified than you.
Hopefully, the next time that a progressive person's home burns down, I truly hope that they get the most "diverse" and affirmative action firemen that are available and that shows up to respond to their fire and life threatening emergency. Progressive people, my favorite kind of people, deserve nothing less. I only want the very best for them. I want to see midgets responding to their fire. I want to see 400 pound lesbians responding to their fire. I want to see illegal aliens responding to their fire. I want to see people who can't even speak English respond to their fire! I want to see weak, little women responding to the fire! I want to see people of all colors responding to their fire, the darker, the better! Hopefully, at least one fire person is also an LGBT person, too. Let's hear it for diversity! Yay!
I know that if my home were burning down, I'd simply want the best people for the job to be responding, but that's just me.
Diversity and affirmative action leads to lesser qualified people, as they are able to jump ahead of people that are more qualified and smarter than they are.
You're applying for a job as a policeman or fireman in certain places, and you didn't score that great on your test? No problem, our wonderful system will grant you a spot ahead of other people that are more qualified than you.
Hopefully, the next time that a progressive person's home burns down, I truly hope that they get the most "diverse" and affirmative action firemen that are available and that shows up to respond to their fire and life threatening emergency. Progressive people, my favorite kind of people, deserve nothing less. I only want the very best for them. I want to see midgets responding to their fire. I want to see 400 pound lesbians responding to their fire. I want to see illegal aliens responding to their fire. I want to see people who can't even speak English respond to their fire! I want to see weak, little women responding to the fire! I want to see people of all colors responding to their fire, the darker, the better! Hopefully, at least one fire person is also an LGBT person, too. Let's hear it for diversity! Yay!
I know that if my home were burning down, I'd simply want the best people for the job to be responding, but that's just me.
Diversity is always better, especially in creative endeavors. I mean why do people go to the city where they can experience a lot of cultures in a small space? You don't think innovation never happened in world-culture centers in early history?
Why do you also assume in your first paragraph that non-whites and women are automatically going to bring down quality?
Don't you think that it's because of attitudes like yours (which all people have been known subconsciously have) are actually stopping good candidates from being considered? Those assumptions could also be why women get paid less for equal work?
So being "moral and decent" means they should not hire qualified white male candidates when they find them, instead delaying the hiring process searching for someone of color or a female.
Your bias is noted, thanks for playing.
If you read what I actually said, I said they should seek whatever candidate is qualified. Seeking among every possible candidate is not hiring. It is looking to make sure you have checked among all possible candidates before you hire. As I clearly said.
Generally phrases like "don't start giving out jobs on the basis of forced diversity" are comments from people who mean to say "I have a job, I don't see why white males are not the normal go to candidates. We don't discriminate! Who says we don't hire X type of person" while ignoring the mountains of data that human beings do, almost always, have such bias.
If I am reading in where it truly doesn't exist, then I apologize. But that is my experience.
No one anywhere is saying choose less qualified candidates. If you think minorities are less qualified, that is your opinion. The fact that these tech companies have a majority of white male workers, doesn't mean that minorities are not qualified to work for these companies. How are you measuring qualified?
This is discrimination, are Apple being accused of not being racist/genderist enough? Why should they have to compensate for the failures of the black guy in the white house?
The sheer stupidity, cluelessness, implied bias, and ignorance in this quote is staggering. Welcome to my ignore list, enjoy the stay.
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And yes, I do also believe that most significant advances that have happened on this planet have come primarily from white men. The world would be an absolute mess and far more primitive if not for "the white man". White men should start holding their own parades soon, to celebrate their greatness, if you ask me.
I am tired of racist minorities and other underachievers who constantly whine about "the white man".
Uh, what a crock of shit. I'm vehemently against any kind of discrimination, especially in the hiring process and the workforce, but this is fucking ridiculous. What are these "diversity" numbers supposed to show? Should Apple have an even break-down of all minority groups represented in their total workforce #s, as well as ethnicities, ages, sexes, reglious backgrounds, etc to prove that they support "diversity"? How mind-numbing. Does a single person on the planet believes that Apple actually discriminates when hiring? I'm sure they pick the best person for the job, not to fill some "diversity" quota and get a nice looking pie-chart of their employee demographics. <span style="line-height:1.4em;"> </span>
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">I can see Cook's reluctance to release these #s, as he knows they will be fodder for Apple being dragged through the mud by those with an agenda. They're irrelevant. Apple has nothing to prove in this regard. </span>
I think many of you here are missing the point. Now only are most of Citizens of the United States of America, but we are also citizens of Earth. If Apple is to continue to flourish; it needs to understand World Cultures. Here are to simple example and there are many: Sav-Ons Drugs changed their name to Osco - in Spanish it means Nauseous. The Chevy Nova failed in Latin America. In Spanish No va may mean it doesn't run, doesn't move, etc.
Bottom line the more Multi-Cultural Apple becomes the better it can market its products.
Regarding Jesse Jackson, Apple just made Dr. Dre a billionaire. Maybe Dr. Dre should donate some $$$ to Jesse Jackson's cause, which I fully support.
I support the goal of diversity, it makes for a stronger company and imbues the company with a greater variety of viewpoints. I do not support quotas, which is arguably what Jackson's group pushes.
?Not my problem at all. I don't really care if women are paid less than men.
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You answered yourself. Thanks.
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The world would be an absolute mess and far more primitive if not for "the white man".
Citation needed - and not just Stormfront links. Also are French people the same as Americans, and Irish, and Italian men? Also don't you think that "the white man" is responsible for a lot of the primitivism in the world due to colonialism, Dick Cheneyesque destabilizing countries and such? I mean a lot of fighting in the world can be attributed to where the colonialists drew political demarcations on maps.
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I am tired of racist minorities and other underachievers who constantly whine about "the white man".
What about people who think because a white guy did something cool once, that it means that they must also be smart because they are white.
Was they Syrian half of Steve Jobs holding him back? Also. What about Ada Lovelace? How did she hold back computing with her extra X Chromosome?
How can minorities be a part of systemic racism? How can minorities hold down "the white man" when you say "the white man" is the the reason for everything awesome - like colonialism solving primitivism.
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Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts
FYI. Just because someone is a hypocrite, doesn't mean they are actually wrong with their statements. You are just deflecting your dumbassery by invoking Obama's name. Fox News has trained you well.
I don't care about blaming anyone based on color, btw.
Looking forward to your simplistic Teahadi talking points. And I look forward to you straw-manning other people. It should be as predictable as Fox Noise and Talk Radio. I mean, we know we can't rely on you for anything original.
It's not about color, BTW. I think you are missing out because you think "the white man" is the only solution.
Do you see me calling any poster in this thread an asshole?
No you don't, because I am intelligent enough to know that it is against the rules. You are apparently not.
I consider people such as yourself to be a waste of time, because you have nothing of value to add, besides petty insults, just like most others who share your persuasion and your defect. Do you actually expect me to dignify any of your questions with a response?
I have no time for emotional, primitive people who have no control over themselves, and I hereby officially excommunicate you from my presence and my sight, and your ignorant posts will no longer be viewed by me. Ciao.
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No one anywhere is saying choose less qualified candidates. If you think minorities are less qualified, that is your opinion. The fact that these tech companies have a majority of white male workers, doesn't mean that minorities are not qualified to work for these companies. How are you measuring qualified?
I've used Macs since the mid-1980s and have never owned WinPCs. Over the years I noticed that not many non-Whites used Apple products -- I would imagine that there were many reasons for this.
Also, a lot of Apple recruitment is done through head-hunting rather than advertising vacancies, which is usually reserved for "lower end" posts.
No one anywhere is saying choose less qualified candidates. If you think minorities are less qualified, that is your opinion. The fact that these tech companies have a majority of white male workers, doesn't mean that minorities are not qualified to work for these companies. How are you measuring qualified?
Diversity and affirmative action leads to lesser qualified people, as they are able to jump ahead of people that are more qualified and smarter than they are.
You're applying for a job as a policeman or fireman in certain places, and you didn't score that great on your test? No problem, our wonderful system will grant you a spot ahead of other people that are more qualified than you.
Hopefully, the next time that a progressive person's home burns down, I truly hope that they get the most "diverse" and affirmative action firemen that are available and that shows up to respond to their fire and life threatening emergency. Progressive people, my favorite kind of people, deserve nothing less. I only want the very best for them. I want to see midgets responding to their fire. I want to see 400 pound lesbians responding to their fire. I want to see illegal aliens responding to their fire. I want to see people who can't even speak English respond to their fire! I want to see weak, little women responding to the fire! I want to see people of all colors responding to their fire, the darker, the better! Hopefully, at least one fire person is also an LGBT person, too. Let's hear it for diversity! Yay!
I know that if my home were burning down, I'd simply want the best people for the job to be responding, but that's just me.
Diversity and affirmative action leads to lesser qualified people, as they are able to jump ahead of people that are more qualified and smarter than they are.
You're applying for a job as a policeman or fireman in certain places, and you didn't score that great on your test? No problem, our wonderful system will grant you a spot ahead of other people that are more qualified than you.
Hopefully, the next time that a progressive person's home burns down, I truly hope that they get the most "diverse" and affirmative action firemen that are available and that shows up to respond to their fire and life threatening emergency. Progressive people, my favorite kind of people, deserve nothing less. I only want the very best for them. I want to see midgets responding to their fire. I want to see 400 pound lesbians responding to their fire. I want to see illegal aliens responding to their fire. I want to see people who can't even speak English respond to their fire! I want to see weak, little women responding to the fire! I want to see people of all colors responding to their fire, the darker, the better! Hopefully, at least one fire person is also an LGBT person, too. Let's hear it for diversity! Yay!
I know that if my home were burning down, I'd simply want the best people for the job to be responding, but that's just me.
Diversity is always better, especially in creative endeavors. I mean why do people go to the city where they can experience a lot of cultures in a small space? You don't think innovation never happened in world-culture centers in early history?
Why do you also assume in your first paragraph that non-whites and women are automatically going to bring down quality?
Don't you think that it's because of attitudes like yours (which all people have been known subconsciously have) are actually stopping good candidates from being considered? Those assumptions could also be why women get paid less for equal work?
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/03/12/3396151/women-bias-math-stem/
http://jobbankusa.com/News/Hiring/hiring100803a.html
http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2007/09/white_convicts_as_likely_to_be.html
Do you just think white men are the only strong, smart, moral people in the world?
I think diversity in all ways from age to sex to race or whatever is a great thing for creativity - not PR.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6858215
To me it's like why people throughout history went to cities to invent, share and do business.
That's racist. /s
Where ever there are cameras, Jesse will be close by.
It's interesting why there aren't more Asians in upper mgmt in a lot of the tech companies.
So being "moral and decent" means they should not hire qualified white male candidates when they find them, instead delaying the hiring process searching for someone of color or a female.
Your bias is noted, thanks for playing.
If you read what I actually said, I said they should seek whatever candidate is qualified. Seeking among every possible candidate is not hiring. It is looking to make sure you have checked among all possible candidates before you hire. As I clearly said.
Your stupidity is noted. Thanks for playing.
Generally phrases like "don't start giving out jobs on the basis of forced diversity" are comments from people who mean to say "I have a job, I don't see why white males are not the normal go to candidates. We don't discriminate! Who says we don't hire X type of person" while ignoring the mountains of data that human beings do, almost always, have such bias.
If I am reading in where it truly doesn't exist, then I apologize. But that is my experience.
No one anywhere is saying choose less qualified candidates. If you think minorities are less qualified, that is your opinion. The fact that these tech companies have a majority of white male workers, doesn't mean that minorities are not qualified to work for these companies. How are you measuring qualified?
This.....
The sheer stupidity, cluelessness, implied bias, and ignorance in this quote is staggering. Welcome to my ignore list, enjoy the stay.
Those assumptions could also be why women get paid less for equal work?
Not my problem at all. I don't really care if women are paid less than men.
And also, most of the people and groups who complain about that are a bunch of hypocrites.
Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2128513/Women-paid-significantly-Obama-White-House-male-counterparts.html
War on women, indeed.
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And yes, I do also believe that most significant advances that have happened on this planet have come primarily from white men. The world would be an absolute mess and far more primitive if not for "the white man". White men should start holding their own parades soon, to celebrate their greatness, if you ask me.
I am tired of racist minorities and other underachievers who constantly whine about "the white man".
To feel better about themselves.
…the all white male CIS crew…
SHUT. UP.
Common sense? Statistics?
This.....
SHUT. UP.
That's racist. /s
Where ever there are cameras, Jesse will be close by.
It's interesting why there aren't more Asians in upper mgmt in a lot of the tech companies.
Hmm... From personal experience at an unnamed company, I have a little insight into how Jackson operates.
I think many of you here are missing the point. Now only are most of Citizens of the United States of America, but we are also citizens of Earth. If Apple is to continue to flourish; it needs to understand World Cultures. Here are to simple example and there are many: Sav-Ons Drugs changed their name to Osco - in Spanish it means Nauseous. The Chevy Nova failed in Latin America. In Spanish No va may mean it doesn't run, doesn't move, etc.
Bottom line the more Multi-Cultural Apple becomes the better it can market its products.
Regarding Jesse Jackson, Apple just made Dr. Dre a billionaire. Maybe Dr. Dre should donate some $$$ to Jesse Jackson's cause, which I fully support.
I support the goal of diversity, it makes for a stronger company and imbues the company with a greater variety of viewpoints. I do not support quotas, which is arguably what Jackson's group pushes.
You answered yourself. Thanks.
Citation needed - and not just Stormfront links. Also are French people the same as Americans, and Irish, and Italian men? Also don't you think that "the white man" is responsible for a lot of the primitivism in the world due to colonialism, Dick Cheneyesque destabilizing countries and such? I mean a lot of fighting in the world can be attributed to where the colonialists drew political demarcations on maps.
What about people who think because a white guy did something cool once, that it means that they must also be smart because they are white.
Was they Syrian half of Steve Jobs holding him back? Also. What about Ada Lovelace? How did she hold back computing with her extra X Chromosome?
How can minorities be a part of systemic racism? How can minorities hold down "the white man" when you say "the white man" is the the reason for everything awesome - like colonialism solving primitivism.
Women paid significantly less in Obama White House than their male counterparts
FYI. Just because someone is a hypocrite, doesn't mean they are actually wrong with their statements. You are just deflecting your dumbassery by invoking Obama's name. Fox News has trained you well.
I don't care about blaming anyone based on color, btw.
Looking forward to your simplistic Teahadi talking points. And I look forward to you straw-manning other people. It should be as predictable as Fox Noise and Talk Radio. I mean, we know we can't rely on you for anything original.
It's not about color, BTW. I think you are missing out because you think "the white man" is the only solution.
So I was correct. You are just an asshole.
Do you see me calling any poster in this thread an asshole?
No you don't, because I am intelligent enough to know that it is against the rules. You are apparently not.
I consider people such as yourself to be a waste of time, because you have nothing of value to add, besides petty insults, just like most others who share your persuasion and your defect. Do you actually expect me to dignify any of your questions with a response?
I have no time for emotional, primitive people who have no control over themselves, and I hereby officially excommunicate you from my presence and my sight, and your ignorant posts will no longer be viewed by me. Ciao.
SHUT. UP.
Well, you know, as long as you have a well reasoned argument.....