<strong>There are several very valid reasons why a new G4 was not released.
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or,
4) Motorola can't produce GHz G4's, or G5's of any description, within a reasonable time.
So, what then? PowerMacs and iMacs drop in price, and... we just wait.
Or, forget the pro line! Who needs the graphic artists and video producers, when you can have millions of moms and pops buying iMacs instead? That MacWorld was a seriously family-oriented show; perhaps the Digital Hub will keep growing, and the Creative Tools For Professionals line will just wither away...
A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"
When does Apples "Crystal clear savings" for the Power Mac G4 end? "January 31, 2002"
C) Add A+B & get C. The new iMac won't ship till the end of January therefore the old iMacs are still competing against the current Power Macs. This means that Apple has until the end of the month to annouce the new Power Macs. Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.
Today's announcements were great! Especially iPhoto - I've spent hours color correcting pictures in PhotoShop when now, with iPhoto, I can do the same in 5 minutes. Beautiful prints due to ColorSync!
The remote tablot that goes with the G5s will come in due time...
Well, since all the iMacs don't ship until March, maybe we'll see PM update then.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's not what was annouced. The fastest new iMac will ship in Jan, the next in Feb, and the slowest in March.
I'm totally weirded out by the whole thing. They are obviously completely obsessed with this new lamp design -- definitely a Steve kind of behaviour, but its really done weird things to their overall product mix. I can't believe that they'll let the situation persist -- it'll completely kill sales of the PowerMacs.
If apple screwed up so bad, I'd probably be able to access the apple store now. Since I can't I'm assuming some people who are bogging it down are actually purchasing a new iMac or iBook.
for those who are telling people here to stop whining about what they didn't get, and rather to focus on what did show up, i have three words.
It's Apple's Fault
this same keynote, no hype, and it's a great keynote and everyone is happy.
the fact is that everyone who went to any rumor site knew to expect a new iBook and iMac. and they knew they'd be LCD. some members here even had the exact design of the new iMac down weeks ago. (rok)
so when you can't understand why people are disappointed at the new hardware, take a look at the previous listings on apple's front page. specifically the one stating "way beyond the rumor sites"
show me one frickin' thing that's way beyond what everyone thought was coming this year and i'll change my tune. until then, expect most people who have anything to do with an apple rumor site to be sorely disappointed.
apple builds this up to be huge, then wonders why people aren't happy?
what the hell is their problem? this keynote had the opportunity to be a huge success, but instead it feels like a failure, and the exact same hardware was released.
as i've said before, and will say once again, Apple has the ability to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
they shot themselves in the foot here, let's just hope that most people hadn't seen their site and expected something new and exciting, beyond what was expected.
Well this is what I think. The PowerMac rebates go onto the end of January, so in February (when the mid range iMac ships) Apple could hold a 'special' event.
Apple could simply have too much PowerMac stock release a new model now, they have been selling poorly lately (terrible system specs).
A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"
When does Apples "Crystal clear savings" for the Power Mac G4 end? "January 31, 2002"
Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nice work. To this I would add the following:
At the start of the keynote, Steve said, "Starting today, every new Mac boots into OS X. That's true for the new models we're introducing today, and, uh, it will take about a month to work through the rest of the product line." (or words to that effect, I'll have to check the rebroadcast once it's available.)
That also sounds like a late-January or early-February Powermac refresh to me.
<strong>Well this is what I think. The PowerMac rebates go onto the end of January, so in February (when the mid range iMac ships) Apple could hold a 'special' event.
Apple could simply have too much PowerMac stock release a new model now, they have been selling poorly lately (terrible system specs).</strong><hr></blockquote>
They certainly won't sell any more when you can get an equivalent system for 1G less. And that's including your promo.
First off, what an extremely boring Macworld. Steve needs to learn a little more about pacing. You can just hear the quite rumble of attendees during the iMovie, iDVD, and iTunes demonstration all mumbling, "Wow, we already knew we could do that!"
Second, if I remember right the G3 Blue & white pro model didn't last very long after the G3 iMac was introduced. I can remember an uncomfortable time when I was trying to justify the extra expense of the pro lines just to have a larger monitor, but then the G4 appeared.
At the start of the keynote, Steve said, "Starting today, every new Mac boots into OS X. That's true for the new models we're introducing today, and, uh, it will take about a month to work through the rest of the product line." (or words to that effect, I'll have to check the rebroadcast once it's available.)
That also sounds like a late-January or early-February Powermac refresh to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
thx. I missed that part about the month. But that makes sense. The current PM (and PB's) don't have OS X as default (I guess they could just send a new CD but it does suggest that they're revamping the other product lines) ... nice catch.
Speaking of - with no Gigawire/Bluetooth/Etc. in the new iMac, I think it's safe to rule out the rumored thin-client tablet unless it would have nothing to do with either of these technologies and instead rely on AirPort.
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<strong>There are several very valid reasons why a new G4 was not released.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
or,
4) Motorola can't produce GHz G4's, or G5's of any description, within a reasonable time.
So, what then? PowerMacs and iMacs drop in price, and... we just wait.
Or, forget the pro line! Who needs the graphic artists and video producers, when you can have millions of moms and pops buying iMacs instead? That MacWorld was a seriously family-oriented show; perhaps the Digital Hub will keep growing, and the Creative Tools For Professionals line will just wither away...
<strong>Just like Outsider said, just wait until tomorrow, perhaps another BIG surprise for the towers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, I think that Schiller and Jon Rubinstein are speaking in Steve's orginal spot tomorrow.
I could see that.
Keep hope alive.
A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"
C) Add A+B & get C. The new iMac won't ship till the end of January therefore the old iMacs are still competing against the current Power Macs. This means that Apple has until the end of the month to annouce the new Power Macs. Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.
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The remote tablot that goes with the G5s will come in due time...
--Brian
<strong>I'd say that AMD's 2.2 ghz jumbo jet has just collided into Apple 867 mhz tower, and it's crumbling fast...</strong><hr></blockquote>
AMD doesn't have a 2.2ghz chip. They have a 1.67ghz chip that they call the "2000" or something so people will think it's equivalent to a 2ghz chip.
Not that this isn't much faster than a 867 G4 either way, but let's at least be honest about what Apple's up against.
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Well, since all the iMacs don't ship until March, maybe we'll see PM update then.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's not what was annouced. The fastest new iMac will ship in Jan, the next in Feb, and the slowest in March.
I'm totally weirded out by the whole thing. They are obviously completely obsessed with this new lamp design -- definitely a Steve kind of behaviour, but its really done weird things to their overall product mix. I can't believe that they'll let the situation persist -- it'll completely kill sales of the PowerMacs.
It's Apple's Fault
this same keynote, no hype, and it's a great keynote and everyone is happy.
the fact is that everyone who went to any rumor site knew to expect a new iBook and iMac. and they knew they'd be LCD. some members here even had the exact design of the new iMac down weeks ago. (rok)
so when you can't understand why people are disappointed at the new hardware, take a look at the previous listings on apple's front page. specifically the one stating "way beyond the rumor sites"
show me one frickin' thing that's way beyond what everyone thought was coming this year and i'll change my tune. until then, expect most people who have anything to do with an apple rumor site to be sorely disappointed.
apple builds this up to be huge, then wonders why people aren't happy?
what the hell is their problem? this keynote had the opportunity to be a huge success, but instead it feels like a failure, and the exact same hardware was released.
as i've said before, and will say once again, Apple has the ability to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
they shot themselves in the foot here, let's just hope that most people hadn't seen their site and expected something new and exciting, beyond what was expected.
Apple could simply have too much PowerMac stock release a new model now, they have been selling poorly lately (terrible system specs).
<strong>I'd say that AMD's 2.2 ghz jumbo jet has just collided into Apple 867 mhz tower, and it's crumbling fast...</strong><hr></blockquote>
it's 1.67 ghz AMD or 2.2 P4 but not 2.2 AMD
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Not that this isn't much faster than a 867 G4 either way, but let's at least be honest about what Apple's up against.</strong><hr></blockquote>
AMD's new chips RAPE the G4s. No contest, none of this altivec, superior processor shit. At 867mhz vs 1.6ghz the G4s are trash.
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A) When does the iMac start to ship? "$1799 model to ship by end of January"
Expect an annoucement on or before Feb 1.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nice work. To this I would add the following:
At the start of the keynote, Steve said, "Starting today, every new Mac boots into OS X. That's true for the new models we're introducing today, and, uh, it will take about a month to work through the rest of the product line." (or words to that effect, I'll have to check the rebroadcast once it's available.)
That also sounds like a late-January or early-February Powermac refresh to me.
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[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: Mithras ]</p>
<strong>Well this is what I think. The PowerMac rebates go onto the end of January, so in February (when the mid range iMac ships) Apple could hold a 'special' event.
Apple could simply have too much PowerMac stock release a new model now, they have been selling poorly lately (terrible system specs).</strong><hr></blockquote>
They certainly won't sell any more when you can get an equivalent system for 1G less. And that's including your promo.
Can we assume that Gigawire is going to be a pro feature, maybe for the G5?
[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: deestar ]</p>
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Nope. No keynote tomorrow.</strong><hr></blockquote>
EmAn, did you get to Palisades? Did you stay home from school?
It hardly snowed at all.
Palisades was nice, they gave out free water. It wasn't as crowded as I expected.
Second, if I remember right the G3 Blue & white pro model didn't last very long after the G3 iMac was introduced. I can remember an uncomfortable time when I was trying to justify the extra expense of the pro lines just to have a larger monitor, but then the G4 appeared.
<strong>
Nice work. To this I would add the following:
At the start of the keynote, Steve said, "Starting today, every new Mac boots into OS X. That's true for the new models we're introducing today, and, uh, it will take about a month to work through the rest of the product line." (or words to that effect, I'll have to check the rebroadcast once it's available.)
That also sounds like a late-January or early-February Powermac refresh to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>
thx. I missed that part about the month. But that makes sense. The current PM (and PB's) don't have OS X as default (I guess they could just send a new CD but it does suggest that they're revamping the other product lines) ... nice catch.
<strong>Hmmm, no Gigawire as well.
Can we assume that Gigawire is going to be a pro feature, maybe for the G5?
[ 01-07-2002: Message edited by: deestar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Speaking of - with no Gigawire/Bluetooth/Etc. in the new iMac, I think it's safe to rule out the rumored thin-client tablet unless it would have nothing to do with either of these technologies and instead rely on AirPort.
What better forum to intro a new PM than to those people who will likely purchase more of them than any other industry.
Nonetheless, this MacWorld Expo only makes me think of a line from a They Might Be Giants song:
"If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointment."