In other words, MS should never have purchased Nokia.
Somehow, we've got to stop the madness of these mergers and acquisitions--they seem to generate debt rather than profit, and they eliminate jobs, rather than generating them. It's the opposite of what we should be encouraging business to be doing. Keep small, keep competitive, keep the eggs in many baskets.
I wouldn't say that.
I would say... They were 3 years late in purchasing Nokia.
If they had purchased Nokia and build the Surface Tablets in 2010, They had a chance to be a 3rd player vs Android and iOS. Now... they are not a factor at all... too little too late... too short of runway to make surface a player.
Obviously "lost market share in mobile" means "market share lost by not selling Office for iPad."
Corporate IT didn't jump through the buy-Surface-to-get-mobile-Office hoop.
Now Office for iPad is a smash hit. And I think it would have been a smash hit years ago as well.
But "reinvigorate sales growth in PCs"? Good luck with that.
The PC market is mostly commoditized. Generic. And it's hard to get the market excited about generic products.
PC sales will rise and fall with the economy, despite Microsoft's best (Windows 7) and worst efforts (Vista, 8).
The real growth in computing is in mobile now. And Microsoft is DOA in mobile.
paul94544 wrote: »
If MS were to go out of business that would cause the greatest productivity increase in 30 years
christopher126 wrote: »
As much as I dislike just about everything MS has done, (except give Stevo $150 mill. and allow Apple to develop a much superior version of Office for the Mac), I hate to see this happen to people.
I know it's part of life, but it's tough to be one of the laid off workers. Tough on the families, too.
I wish them all the best!
Someone brought up a similar path between Jobs and Nadella upon returning. Let's set aside the return part...
Nadella gets to the top spot and looks around and doesn't like what he sees. He also knows that this is a golden opportunity to cut jobs where wall street will reward him. Right now it looks prescient and smart. A year from now it will be criticized.
Jobs came in and cut shit right out of the product matrix. Even things that seemed forward thinking (Newton) but weren't contributing or had a hazy future.
That's where the paths seem to part. Jobs articulated a vision of making great products again and the rest would take care of itself. He had a massive tailwind with NeXTStep promising to springboard Apple's OS into an exciting, unknown future.
Nadella has yet to do that. He has a short window to produce the equivalent of Jobs' iMac or even NeXTStep. Their strengths seem to be milking Office for Windows/Mac and Windows OS. Without 3,000 tiring, uninspiring words, how do they move forward?
bigbillygoatgruff wrote: »
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The rudder?</div></div><p> </p>And if the CEO was from the Netherlands...
Not to make light of the layoffs, but it looks even more dramatic on the heels of the Apple/IBM announcement. It looks like, "Apple and IBM teamed up? Okay, we give up! Bring me a tall stack of pink slips." The good talent will get picked up, but it still sucks to have to get canned.
vagvoba wrote: »
How many of these jobs will be cut in the US? Nokia doesn't have manufacturing facilities in the US. I have the feeling that out of the 18000 layoffs, very few will be in the US.
According to their website they have factories in Brazil, China, Hungary, India, Mexico, South Korea, and Vietnam.
Regarding engineering, marketing, sales, those employees are all over the world, especially the ones related to Nokia.
Yep, good points, Wiz.
I am surprised that the mainstream media hasn't come out and said that since MS is having to layoff it's workforce, Apple is dead.
Usually this news = Apple Death Knell +1
I do truly feel sorry for the employees.
iaeen wrote: »
If Microsoft goes under, you will lose 100% of the jobs rather than 14%
daveinpublic wrote: »
In the same week, headlines for Apple doing major deal with IBM, and microsoft cutting 14% of it's work force.. Anyone else see a trend? It's pretty simple... Apple is kicking microsoft's tail in every category.
elijahg wrote: »
Yup. They seem to have such a hard time in new product segments, apart from the Xbox, which is their only real home-grown success story. They add useless bloat that no one wants, using these new "features" as an attempt to justify incompatibility with new versions that are bundled on new PCs. This of course bumps up sales since people can't open the new format on their older version of Office/whatever.
I think part of the reason why their "Windows" branded stuff (phones/tablets/media players etc) flops is due to the bad stigma attached to the Windows name. They don't seem to realise people associate Windows with buggy/slow/virus ridden/insecure/businessy and so continue plastering "Windows" on everything. People associate the same with their phones too, even if it's not really warranted as much. Xbox wasn't associated with Windows and enjoyed pretty good sales, which maybe be the disassociation of it and Windows. Though since most gamers use Windows anyway, if it was "Windows Xbox" they'd likely ignore the association (since they're usually a bit fanboyish toward MS).
Losing jobs is fun for you I guess. You claim you are using Apple products since II, so you may remember when Apple was laying off people and kissed M$ a$$ for $150 000 000. Great feeling, don't you agree
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