Historically, isn't creating a new OS (even for phones) an exceedingly difficult task and one frequently prone to failure? Does Samsung have any experience creating OSes? This seems like more of Samsung just competing for competition's sake. No real strategy, no clear plan - let's just try this and see what sticks to the wall.
For sure, Google can no longer claim with a straight face that Android is 'open'... That was Andy Rubin's vision, and Google went along to sign up new OEMs and grow adoption, but now that they have market share, Larry is clamping down...
What a mess Android has become...
And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...
For sure, Google can no longer claim with a straight face that Android is 'open'... That was Andy Rubin's vision, and Google went along to sign up new OEMs and grow adoption, but now that they have market share, Larry is clamping down...
What a mess Android has become...
And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...
They can because "Android" is open source. It's a confusing mess, but that's probably by design so they can say "Android is open" whist strong-arming vendors as the term "Android" is used to multiple things.
My dad always said- "a $500 repair beats a $500 car payment".
That's a good policy and how I typically spent my life. I love cars, I love luxury and I love new, but it's really hard for me to think that spending 6 figures on a car makes any sense for my needs because it's new, stylish, well built, and comes with many features. Last year I bought a new car for the peace of mind of a warranty to try that out. The only feature I cared about was handsfree calls. Outside of that I really didn't care. That said, I may sell it for a car that comes with CarPlay within the next year if a dealership demo preforms well. I also could use a vehicle with a permanent rack on top for my surf board. Getting annoyed with the ones I need to install that fit into the door jams.
All this in-fighting can only be good for Apple though.. As they walk around pissing on each other Apple just glibly build's it's Unified OS strategy between Phone/Tablet/Laptop/Desktop and whistles to it's own tune..
It's A LOT easier for Apple to loosen the rains a bit to allow devs to do more than it is to tighten them; cutting off devs and OEMs...
You make people HAPPY and thank you when you loosen.. You piss them off and make them walk when you tighten.. I'm thinking Google is starting to realize they went @ss backwards.. lol
Samsung... will be surprised to learn that people who buy Galaxy are primarily Android fans not Samsung fans.
I'd like to agree with the totality of your argument, but I am not so sure this is a correct assessment. I think people who buy Galaxy are primarily platform oblivious, and merely buy what Walmart or Bestbuy or their current telco carrier is offering them for under a buck, so long as it lets them text and play a few free games. They won't buy apps, they won't buy expensive (quality-built) phones/tablets, and they just want a shiny-new device every 12 months to show off to their friends. Oh, and it should have a 64 gigapixels camera, because... pixels!
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Originally Posted by digitalclips (Responding to dasanman69)
I agree, most of the knuckleheads buying Galaxies have no idea what OS they run.
The fundamental flaw in the Android pitch to mobile device manufacturers:
You don't have to pay us but your device has to be basically indistinguishable from your competitors' Android devices. Oh, and yes you don't pay us but you pay Microsoft.
Says Dell from the background: Take it! That common OS strategy did wonders for our margins.
Great fun to watch. They should stick to what they are good at and focus development in those areas. Samsung could be on a 'sticky wicket', to coin an English phrase, in the future in the IT market. In the end quality and consistency counts much more than advertising hype.
The tears are streaming from my eyes. To think that Google got stung by the biggest commie crooks in the world is just too much wrap my head around! Well, the tears have stopped, but I'm still laughing my a%u03DF%u03DF off!
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I don't like Samsung because they are crooked to the core.
I don't like Google because they try to steal products and make a run for it and they always fail. Google Wallet was a stolen product just like Android was a stolen product. Wait until Oracle gets a hold of theses crooks.
Samsung is the one being the bully. Samsung is attempting to use it's leverage as the dominant Android device manufacturer to do whatever it wants.
I think Google is the bully. Samsung is just not an easy victim.
It's funny to see that Samsung (appalling though its copying tactics are) is more or less in the same situation as Apple. They are a hardware vendor for which the software is a means to sell devices (actually, Apple is more an 'integrated experience' vendor). They are both up against pure software giants like Google and Amazon, both of the bullying kind (Amazon in the publishing world is even a worse bully than Google in any of their endeavors). What is it that makes 'software and services' giants so easily into bullies? Is it maybe necessary for their survival/success? Is it built into their business model?
I think Samsung would love to be in Apple's situation vis-a-vis software. Given their volume, if they are able to build their own ecosystem with their own OS that can be installed also on existing devices (back to S3-level stuff) they could in one fell swoop completely destroy Android. It's a tough one though, because they would also need to build a fair number of apps to start with. Suppose they:
- develop the OS, make sure it runs on a large volume of existing devices
- when it is done, announce it and promote heavily the development of apps for the first release, build an app store
- go live
Not realistic, of course, but hey fantasizing is fun. They would need a very strong leadership pushing the vision to pull this off. If they don't pull this off, it seems Google in the end must win because they have Samsung by the balls as Samsung cannot sell a device without Google's OS.
Ah well, as someone else stated: time to get out the popcorn
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Doesn't Google make some hardware themselves?
Only Google Glass and Chromecast in recent times.
(The former by Foxconn, the latter by Google themselves)
Then there is the Nexus line depending on how you view it.
Hyundai & Kia cost less but Honda and Toyota better value & can be resold for good % of cost at anytime of ownership
Meh. I cared more for the longer bumper-to-bumper warranty than anything else.
Warranties usually have small print ...
Historically, isn't creating a new OS (even for phones) an exceedingly difficult task and one frequently prone to failure? Does Samsung have any experience creating OSes? This seems like more of Samsung just competing for competition's sake. No real strategy, no clear plan - let's just try this and see what sticks to the wall.
Does Samsung have any experience creating OSes?
Yes
Even if they didn't, they have someone who does.
What a mess Android has become...
And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...
What are these warranties you speak of? My dad always said- "a $500 repair beats a $500 car payment". Used only for me
Of course, I have a Lincoln, so I'm not that smart (although I do love it). :smokey:
They can because "Android" is open source. It's a confusing mess, but that's probably by design so they can say "Android is open" whist strong-arming vendors as the term "Android" is used to multiple things.
That's a good policy and how I typically spent my life. I love cars, I love luxury and I love new, but it's really hard for me to think that spending 6 figures on a car makes any sense for my needs because it's new, stylish, well built, and comes with many features. Last year I bought a new car for the peace of mind of a warranty to try that out. The only feature I cared about was handsfree calls. Outside of that I really didn't care. That said, I may sell it for a car that comes with CarPlay within the next year if a dealership demo preforms well. I also could use a vehicle with a permanent rack on top for my surf board. Getting annoyed with the ones I need to install that fit into the door jams.
It's A LOT easier for Apple to loosen the rains a bit to allow devs to do more than it is to tighten them; cutting off devs and OEMs...
You make people HAPPY and thank you when you loosen.. You piss them off and make them walk when you tighten.. I'm thinking Google is starting to realize they went @ss backwards.. lol
Funny thing about Tizen: fandroids never, ever look at it and say: "Google needs competition." Their meme is: "Apple needs competition."
Samsung... will be surprised to learn that people who buy Galaxy are primarily Android fans not Samsung fans.
I'd like to agree with the totality of your argument, but I am not so sure this is a correct assessment. I think people who buy Galaxy are primarily platform oblivious, and merely buy what Walmart or Bestbuy or their current telco carrier is offering them for under a buck, so long as it lets them text and play a few free games. They won't buy apps, they won't buy expensive (quality-built) phones/tablets, and they just want a shiny-new device every 12 months to show off to their friends. Oh, and it should have a 64 gigapixels camera, because... pixels!
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I agree, most of the knuckleheads buying Galaxies have no idea what OS they run.
Yes. Exactly.
Every company wants to be Apple and charge a premium for being unique valuable and different.
You'd think so, but they continue to copy one-another ad nauseam.
"Just like iPhone, but different!"
"We lead by following!"
Xiaomi already makes android smartwatches too.
Xiaomi will keep android's market share sky high.
Google's strategy is paying off, IMO.
You don't have to pay us but your device has to be basically indistinguishable from your competitors' Android devices. Oh, and yes you don't pay us but you pay Microsoft.
Says Dell from the background: Take it! That common OS strategy did wonders for our margins.
The tears are streaming from my eyes. To think that Google got stung by the biggest commie crooks in the world is just too much wrap my head around! Well, the tears have stopped, but I'm still laughing my a%u03DF%u03DF off!
That's a good one!
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I don't like Samsung because they are crooked to the core.
I don't like Google because they try to steal products and make a run for it and they always fail. Google Wallet was a stolen product just like Android was a stolen product. Wait until Oracle gets a hold of theses crooks.
Samsung is the one being the bully. Samsung is attempting to use it's leverage as the dominant Android device manufacturer to do whatever it wants.
I think Google is the bully. Samsung is just not an easy victim.
It's funny to see that Samsung (appalling though its copying tactics are) is more or less in the same situation as Apple. They are a hardware vendor for which the software is a means to sell devices (actually, Apple is more an 'integrated experience' vendor). They are both up against pure software giants like Google and Amazon, both of the bullying kind (Amazon in the publishing world is even a worse bully than Google in any of their endeavors). What is it that makes 'software and services' giants so easily into bullies? Is it maybe necessary for their survival/success? Is it built into their business model?
I think Samsung would love to be in Apple's situation vis-a-vis software. Given their volume, if they are able to build their own ecosystem with their own OS that can be installed also on existing devices (back to S3-level stuff) they could in one fell swoop completely destroy Android. It's a tough one though, because they would also need to build a fair number of apps to start with. Suppose they:
- develop the OS, make sure it runs on a large volume of existing devices
- when it is done, announce it and promote heavily the development of apps for the first release, build an app store
- go live
Not realistic, of course, but hey fantasizing is fun. They would need a very strong leadership pushing the vision to pull this off. If they don't pull this off, it seems Google in the end must win because they have Samsung by the balls as Samsung cannot sell a device without Google's OS.
Ah well, as someone else stated: time to get out the popcorn