Google and Samsung escalate hostilities over watches, Tizen and Android's openness

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  • Reply 61 of 141
    jexusjexus Posts: 373member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post





     Doesn't Google make some hardware themselves?

    Only Google Glass and Chromecast in recent times.

     

    (The former by Foxconn, the latter by Google themselves)

     

    Then there is the Nexus line depending on how you view it.

  • Reply 62 of 141
    solipsismx wrote: »
    1) Don't forget Hyundai and LG.

    2) I bought a Hyundai. So far a good deal for the money.

    Hyundai & Kia cost less but Honda and Toyota better value & can be resold for good % of cost at anytime of ownership
  • Reply 63 of 141
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Hyundai & Kia cost less but Honda and Toyota better value & can be resold for good % of cost at anytime of ownership

    Meh. I cared more for the longer bumper-to-bumper warranty than anything else.
  • Reply 64 of 141
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,225member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Meh. I cared more for the longer bumper-to-bumper warranty than anything else.

    Warranties usually have small print ...
  • Reply 65 of 141
    welshdogwelshdog Posts: 1,684member

    Historically, isn't creating a new OS (even for phones) an exceedingly difficult task and one frequently prone to failure?  Does Samsung have any experience creating OSes?  This seems like more of Samsung just competing for competition's sake.  No real strategy, no clear plan - let's just try this and see what sticks to the wall.

  • Reply 66 of 141
    jexusjexus Posts: 373member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

     

    Does Samsung have any experience creating OSes? 


    Yes

     

    Even if they didn't, they have someone who does.

  • Reply 67 of 141
    For sure, Google can no longer claim with a straight face that Android is 'open'... That was Andy Rubin's vision, and Google went along to sign up new OEMs and grow adoption, but now that they have market share, Larry is clamping down...

    What a mess Android has become...

    And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...
  • Reply 68 of 141
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    Meh. I cared more for the longer bumper-to-bumper warranty than anything else.

    What are these warranties you speak of? My dad always said- "a $500 repair beats a $500 car payment". Used only for me ;)

    Of course, I have a Lincoln, so I'm not that smart (although I do love it). :smokey:
  • Reply 69 of 141
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    For sure, Google can no longer claim with a straight face that Android is 'open'... That was Andy Rubin's vision, and Google went along to sign up new OEMs and grow adoption, but now that they have market share, Larry is clamping down...

    What a mess Android has become...

    And the inevitable Google pushback is starting to appear from many directions...

    They can because "Android" is open source. It's a confusing mess, but that's probably by design so they can say "Android is open" whist strong-arming vendors as the term "Android" is used to multiple things.
  • Reply 70 of 141
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    andysol wrote: »
    My dad always said- "a $500 repair beats a $500 car payment".

    That's a good policy and how I typically spent my life. I love cars, I love luxury and I love new, but it's really hard for me to think that spending 6 figures on a car makes any sense for my needs because it's new, stylish, well built, and comes with many features. Last year I bought a new car for the peace of mind of a warranty to try that out. The only feature I cared about was handsfree calls. Outside of that I really didn't care. That said, I may sell it for a car that comes with CarPlay within the next year if a dealership demo preforms well. I also could use a vehicle with a permanent rack on top for my surf board. Getting annoyed with the ones I need to install that fit into the door jams.
  • Reply 71 of 141
    adrayvenadrayven Posts: 460member
    All this in-fighting can only be good for Apple though.. As they walk around pissing on each other Apple just glibly build's it's Unified OS strategy between Phone/Tablet/Laptop/Desktop and whistles to it's own tune..

    It's A LOT easier for Apple to loosen the rains a bit to allow devs to do more than it is to tighten them; cutting off devs and OEMs...

    You make people HAPPY and thank you when you loosen.. You piss them off and make them walk when you tighten.. I'm thinking Google is starting to realize they went @ss backwards.. lol
  • Reply 72 of 141
    andysol wrote: »
    Google is being a bully to Samsung? Try enforcer. Bullies pick on innocents. Samsung is guilty of being the worst company on earth. Have at 'em Google

    Funny thing about Tizen: fandroids never, ever look at it and say: "Google needs competition." Their meme is: "Apple needs competition."
  • Reply 73 of 141
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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

     

    Samsung... will be surprised to learn that people who buy Galaxy are primarily Android fans not Samsung fans.


     

    I'd like to agree with the totality of your argument, but I am not so sure this is a correct assessment.  I think people who buy Galaxy are primarily platform oblivious, and merely buy what Walmart or Bestbuy or their current telco carrier is offering them for under a buck, so long as it lets them text and play a few free games. They won't buy apps, they won't buy expensive (quality-built) phones/tablets, and they just want a shiny-new device every 12 months to show off to their friends. Oh, and it should have a 64 gigapixels camera, because... pixels!

     

    Edited in followup:

    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post (Responding to dasanman69)



    I agree, most of the knuckleheads buying Galaxies have no idea what OS they run.

     

    Yes. Exactly.

  • Reply 74 of 141
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 512ke View Post



    Every company wants to be Apple and charge a premium for being unique valuable and different.

     

    You'd think so, but they continue to copy one-another ad nauseam.  

    "Just like iPhone, but different!"  

    "We lead by following!"

  • Reply 75 of 141
    dappledapple Posts: 44member
    Samsung is losing smartphone market share to Xiaomi.

    Xiaomi already makes android smartwatches too.

    Xiaomi will keep android's market share sky high.

    Google's strategy is paying off, IMO.
  • Reply 76 of 141
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,613member
    The fundamental flaw in the Android pitch to mobile device manufacturers:

    You don't have to pay us but your device has to be basically indistinguishable from your competitors' Android devices. Oh, and yes you don't pay us but you pay Microsoft.

    Says Dell from the background: Take it! That common OS strategy did wonders for our margins.
  • Reply 77 of 141
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,484member
    Samsung's smartphone revenue is in a free fall and switching to Tizen will only accelerate that process.
  • Reply 78 of 141
    greatrixgreatrix Posts: 95member
    Great fun to watch. They should stick to what they are good at and focus development in those areas. Samsung could be on a 'sticky wicket', to coin an English phrase, in the future in the IT market. In the end quality and consistency counts much more than advertising hype.
  • Reply 79 of 141
    applesauce007applesauce007 Posts: 1,607member
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    Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post



    The tears are streaming from my eyes. To think that Google got stung by the biggest commie crooks in the world is just too much wrap my head around! Well, the tears have stopped, but I'm still laughing my a%u03DF%u03DF off!

     

    That's a good one!  <img class=" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />

     

    I don't like Samsung because they are crooked to the core.

    I don't like Google because they try to steal products and make a run for it and they always fail.  Google Wallet was a stolen product just like Android was a stolen product.  Wait until Oracle gets a hold of theses crooks.

  • Reply 80 of 141
    gctwnlgctwnl Posts: 277member
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    Originally Posted by leesmith View Post



    Samsung is the one being the bully. Samsung is attempting to use it's leverage as the dominant Android device manufacturer to do whatever it wants.

    I think Google is the bully. Samsung is just not an easy victim.

     

    It's funny to see that Samsung (appalling though its copying tactics are) is more or less in the same situation as Apple. They are a hardware vendor for which the software is a means to sell devices (actually, Apple is more an 'integrated experience' vendor). They are both up against pure software giants like Google and Amazon, both of the bullying kind (Amazon in the publishing world is even a worse bully than Google in any of their endeavors). What is it that makes 'software and services' giants so easily into bullies? Is it maybe necessary for their survival/success? Is it built into their business model?

     

    I think Samsung would love to be in Apple's situation vis-a-vis software. Given their volume, if they are able to build their own ecosystem with their own OS that can be installed also on existing devices (back to S3-level stuff) they could in one fell swoop completely destroy Android. It's a tough one though, because they would also need to build a fair number of apps to start with. Suppose they:

    - develop the OS, make sure it runs on a large volume of existing devices

    - when it is done, announce it and promote heavily the development of apps for the first release, build an app store

    - go live

    Not realistic, of course, but hey fantasizing is fun. They would need a very strong leadership pushing the vision to pull this off. If they don't pull  this off, it seems Google in the end must win because they have Samsung by the balls as Samsung cannot sell a device without Google's OS.

     

    Ah well, as someone else stated: time to get out the popcorn

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