Surveillance leak shows spyware loves Android, but can't infect Apple's iPhones without jailbreak

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  • Reply 21 of 43
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,234member
    That'll be why the Chinese government hates them.
  • Reply 22 of 43
    monstrositymonstrosity Posts: 2,234member
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    I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.


    You can learn a lot from someone by the phone they use. I also would not employ a person who used Android, and it is a genuine question I ask when interviewing. Like you say, taste, intelligence, rationality and gullibility can all be ascertained from ones choice of phone. It's obviously not my sole method of hiring, but it allows me to weed out the real shitty ones quick.

     

    There's no Al-Qaeda where I work that's for sure :)

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    So, the terrorists all use android phones, and we can monitor them with this software,  correct? That is the bait of the 2 biggest AI articles as of late. Then why haven't we put an end to terrorists? I mean if Android is so easy to manipulate, why haven't we caught them? I think Apple insider is scared. They continually post smear stories about everything android. I might even go as far to say that they may post more about android than apple. Now who is winning when the competition constantly takes shots at the other party? Let's see the publisher open up an android insider. Kinda like google9 to 5....

  • Reply 24 of 43
    mobiusmobius Posts: 380member

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    I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.

     





     


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    You can learn a lot from someone by the phone they use. I also would not employ a person who used Android, and it is a genuine question I ask when interviewing. Like you say, taste, intelligence, rationality and gullibility can all be ascertained from ones choice of phone. It's obviously not my sole method of hiring, but it allows me to weed out the real shitty ones quick.

     

    There's no Al-Qaeda where I work that's for sure :)


     

    It scares me that you are both in positions within a company where you can make hiring decisions and base those decisions on such petty reasons as one's choice of mobile phone. Just astoundingly discriminatory and shallow.

  • Reply 25 of 43
    hillstoneshillstones Posts: 1,490member

    AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.

  • Reply 26 of 43
    russellrussell Posts: 296member
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    AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.


     

    Not the first time AppleInsider showed they don't know how to read and the Apple fanbois blindly follow.

     

    In an article last Friday, AI calls 909 'Nearly 1000'. Even kids in 5th grade are smarter than that.

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/08/08/authors-to-rebuke-amazon-over-hachette-dispute-with-full-page-nyt-ad

  • Reply 27 of 43
    russellrussell Posts: 296member
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    I would never hire anybody who showed up for a job interview with an Android phone. That would tell me all that I need to know about that individual, and it would be foolish to hire any potential walking security risks, not to mention a person with extremely bad taste who displays disturbing traits of cheapness.


     

    Then how do you fill your Geek Squad reqs?

  • Reply 28 of 43
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    Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.

    The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.

     

    It's fine to support Apple, Windows and even Android devices-as long as the Android users are only allowed to use their devices kneeling on the ground whilst wearing sackcloth.

  • Reply 29 of 43
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    Originally Posted by hillstones View Post

     

    AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.


     

    Not the first time AppleInsider showed they don't know how to read and the Apple fanbois blindly follow.

     

    In an article last Friday, AI calls 909 'Nearly 1000'. Even kids in 5th grade are smarter than that.

    http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/08/08/authors-to-rebuke-amazon-over-hachette-dispute-with-full-page-nyt-ad


     

    909 is nearly 1,000. So is 501 if you're comparing a range from 0 to 1,000.

  • Reply 30 of 43
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
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    Mobile Device Management (MDM) is used to install policy and centrally manage devices like PCs and mobile devices, but has little in common with surveillance software designed to let agencies spy on individuals without those users being aware that they are being spied upon.

     

    MDM typically does not "spy" on users in the way these surveillance tools are designed to, and most companies have policies that make it clear when a managed device is being watched or monitored. 

     

    Also, while iOS works with a variety of MDM vendors, including IBM, Good, etc. Android is (ironically) difficult to manage because its so fragmented.

     

    So Android is easy for spooks to spy upon, but difficult for corporations to manage. And iOS is the opposite.


    Do not be naive, I can not speak specifically about Andriod or IOS, prior to this a company could spy on you if they wanted MDM software. I even seen where they pull from someone cell phone recent text msg they had sent to see if what someone saying about the person was true. It was an HR issue and they confirmed they there were aware of the content in the text on another persons cell phones.

     

    Today I use Mobile Iron which is MDM and it has some interesting features on Android.

  • Reply 31 of 43
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    But, it certainly means that Android users in general are cheap as hell.


     

    Too much extrapolation. Most "cheap as hell" phone users are on Android -- I'll give you that. At the $650 phone side of the spectrum, I think spending habits are similar for all three major platforms.

     

    Citation needed on the creativity assumption too. Certainly all the creative types who can't handle more than one button end up on iOS.

  • Reply 32 of 43
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/181779/surveillance-leak-shows-spyware-loves-android-but-cant-infect-apples-iphones-without-jailbreak#post_2577295" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>singularity</strong> <a href="/t/181779/surveillance-leak-shows-spyware-loves-android-but-cant-infect-apples-iphones-without-jailbreak#post_2577295"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.<br />The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.</div></div><p> </p><p>It's fine to support Apple, Windows and even Android devices-as long as the Android users are only allowed to use their devices kneeling on the ground whilst wearing sackcloth.</p>
    I'll tell that to my director, he has a HTC M8 as his phone, though a 27 imac on his desk, whilst we have lenovos . Flash bastard. Though he hasn't of yet turned up in sackclothes and I'm sure he can afford it on his $750K basic.
  • Reply 33 of 43
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/181779/surveillance-leak-shows-spyware-loves-android-but-cant-infect-apples-iphones-without-jailbreak#post_2577295" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>singularity</strong> <a href="/t/181779/surveillance-leak-shows-spyware-loves-android-but-cant-infect-apples-iphones-without-jailbreak#post_2577295"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />Ah all is well with the world apple][ has entered the thread with his usual bigoted tirade.<br />The company I work for has had no issues using Apple devices or Android devices on its corporate network etc. Though strangely they don't support Windows Phone.</div></div><p> </p><p>It's fine to support Apple, Windows and even Android devices-as long as the Android users are only allowed to use their devices kneeling on the ground whilst wearing sackcloth.</p>
    I'll tell that to my director, he has a HTC M8 as his phone, though a 27 imac on his desk, whilst we have lenovos . Flash bastard. Though he hasn't of yet turned up in sackclothes and I'm sure he can afford it on his $750K basic.

    Ah, well if he has achieved flash bastard status, then, in addition to the requirements above, he must also wear a garland of thorns around his waist when using his Android thing.

    He will reap the rewards of his penance in due course.
  • Reply 34 of 43
    Citation needed on the creativity assumption too. Certainly all the creative types who can't handle more than one button end up on iOS.

    As your statement begins with "certainly" it sounds like a citation is in order for that as well. ;)

    I am not even sure what creativity and having less buttons on the device has to do with one another. I can say from experience that more buttons on a phone has consequences that can hinder a phone useless. It takes a lot of creativity to make a UI experience function in a way that makes all those hardware buttons unnecessary.

    Think about how much one needs and uses a "back" function. That would easily be one of the first buttons to fail as it's pressed so often. Sure there may be touch screen buttons that don't wear out as much (maybe, I don't know) but they are still redundant. I have seen android use both UI navigation buttons and hardware buttons. If the function is implemented in the UI in a way that's intuitive and doesn't clutter anything wouldn't that be better than trying to grope for a button that may one day fail due to such excessive use? Or maybe not at all as people might like in app navigation? IMO it makes no sense to have so much extra going on.

    Not to mention design and manufacturing, repairs for failed buttons... These add cost. Less spent on unnecessary stuff is more spent on making something else more valuable on the device. Again just my opinion.
  • Reply 35 of 43
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    AppleInsider does not know how to read the table.  iOS 4.3x, 5.x, 6.x, and 7.0x are supported versions, while 7.1 requires an untethered jailbreak.  That is why those items are highlighted in red text.  Same with Blackberry indicating prior versions in black are supported, but the current version highlighted in red is not supported, along with Windows Phone 8.  Nothing is totally secure.


     

    Maybe you should take a close look at it again. It's not about the color, it's not supposed to be a reference....the "untethered jailbreak required" thing stands for the every iOS Version, hence it's in the first column otherwise they would have put it in the same cell as 7.1.

    Hint: Open the complete document, page 11, at the top.

  • Reply 36 of 43
    neo42neo42 Posts: 287member
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    It scares me that you are both in positions within a company where you can make hiring decisions and base those decisions on such petty reasons as one's choice of mobile phone. Just astoundingly discriminatory and shallow.


     

    No worries, they both are managers at fast food restaurants.

  • Reply 37 of 43
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    It scares me that you are both in positions within a company where you can make hiring decisions and base those decisions on such petty reasons as one's choice of mobile phone. Just astoundingly discriminatory and shallow.


     

    Yeah, if a culture fit is a big issue for the position, then maybe I can see it. But if you're looking for skills, intelligence, problem solving skills, teamwork, and other real qualifications, smart phone choice as a criteria says more about the idiocy of the hiring manager than anything else.

  • Reply 38 of 43

    The secret document leaked has indicated that the tool, FinSpy, is used to monitor Android users, but not to monitor iPhone users because it has no jailbreak. The government should use the software that can not only be used to monitor Android users but also to spy Apple users. I know one software named Mobile Spy can monitor both users. (http://www.remotespy.co/android-blackberry-spy.html). This kind of software works on major smart phones, Android, iPhone and Blackberry very well. I used it and I like it very much. Because it is very safe and it acquires official security certificate. Secondly, it can record call conversations and text messages, monitor remotely, track the locations and so on, which can help Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies work better.

  • Reply 39 of 43

    The secret document leaked has indicated that the tool, FinSpy, is used to monitor Android users, but not to monitor iPhone users because it has no jailbreak. The government should use the software that can not only be used to monitor Android users but also to spy Apple users. I know one software named Mobile Spy can monitor both users. (http://www.remotespy.co/android-blackberry-spy.html). This kind of software works on major smart phones, Android, iPhone and Blackberry very well. I used it and I like it very much. Because it is very safe and it acquires official security certificate. Secondly, it can record call conversations and text messages, monitor remotely, track the locations and so on, which can help Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies work better.

  • Reply 40 of 43

    The secret document leaked has indicated that the tool, FinSpy, is used to monitor Android users, but not to monitor iPhone users because it has no jailbreak. The government should use the software that can not only be used to monitor Android users but also to spy Apple users. I know one software named Mobile Spy can monitor both users. (http://www.remotespy.co/android-blackberry-spy.html). This kind of software works on major smart phones, Android, iPhone and Blackberry very well. I used it and I like it very much. Because it is very safe and it acquires official security certificate. Secondly, it can record call conversations and text messages, monitor remotely, track the locations and so on, which can help Law Enforcement and Intelligence Agencies work better.

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