Proof my ass -- only that Apple uses non sequential model numbers for products in the same line.
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Originally Posted by sog35
possible lineup from my contact in the middle east:
iPhone 5C - $450
iPhone Color - $550 - basically 5S in the same plastic shell as the 5C
iPhone Air - $650 - 4.7 inch
iPhone Pro - $750 - 5.5 inch, Sapphire
From now on Apple won't sell any mid-level phones with metal cases. Its just way to expensive.
The 5C and iPhone Color will have the exact same case. This will cut down on production costs big time. The iPhone Color will come in additional colors however.
The line between high-end and mid-end Apple phones will be clear as day. Plastic = mid-end. Metal = high-end.
In 2015 the transition will be complete. No longer will we have iPhone's with numbers.
iPhone Color - $450 - 4 inch
iPhone Color - $550 - 4.7 inch
iPhone Air - $650 - 4.7
iPhone Pro - $750 - 5.5
So now you are a budding analyst also¡
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Originally Posted by sog35
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Originally Posted by mpantone
Personally, I think there is a good chance that there is no 5.5" handset waiting in the wings.
Apple's natural inclination is not to proliferate many size variants. There are two screen sizes each for the iPad, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and iMac.
From a manufacturing perspective, this simplifies product design and supply chain management. It also likely improves gross margins.
From the developers' perspective -- particularly on the iOS side -- limited variants makes app development more manageable, with fewer combinations of screen sizes, aspect ratios, and pixel resolution.
iPhone is 50% of Apple's revenue/profit.
I think they are willing to make an exception for their cash cow....
You have got to be kidding. A couple companies now are copying Apple's metallic cases (which are more expensive) while also struggling not to lose their asses on the cheap plastic ones they make now. They claim that it is too difficult to make a metal case that allows users to change a battery. You claim Apple's revenue or profit or both (that would be interesting) is 50% but a metal case is just too expensive.
Its OK to be excited about a rumor that doesn't seem to have much backing but OMG please get back on your meds before posting any more rants like this; or maybe off your meds ;-).
Nothing like another out of context article to add fuel to the "2 models" fire.
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Originally Posted by mpantone
Another explanation for the two model numbers would be if Apple decided to stick the guts of the iPhone 5s into a plastic body; that would require a new model number (just like the iPhone 5c phones).
This is almost definitely what this represents. The iPhone 6 and the new $99 offering, probably 5c-like, with 5s internals.
Precisely the opposite. Other than 'rumor', there has never been anything to indicate that Apple will do anything besides introduce 1 flagship model, and 1 revised model for the lower entry price. The 5s and 5c would have been prime examples of two brand new model numbers.
We'll see the same thing with the 6 and 6c or whatever the heck they call them.
What we won't see is Apple present the iPhone 6 with its amazing new well-thought-out 4.7" display........and then say, "Oh yeah there's also a 5.5". This is the REALLY good new iPhone. Forget what we just showed you."
Regardless of your opinions about the manufacturing process, if you look at Apple marketing department's behavior, it looks like they do not consider the iPhone 5c to really be a "new device" -- they have put very little effort into marketing the device.
Let's face it: the iPhone 5c is the iPhone 5 with lipstick. They had to redesign the PCB, but the other major components are basically the same.
Apple does not treat the iPhone 5c as a new device in their marketing efforts nor do they call out to it as a new device in their SEC filings.
Another explanation for the two model numbers would be if Apple decided to stick the guts of the iPhone 5s into a plastic body; that would require a new model number (just like the iPhone 5c phones).
They will put the iPhone5S in a plastic body and call it iPhoneColor. They will not give it the vaunted iPhone6 name
Personally, I think there is a good chance that there is no 5.5" handset waiting in the wings.
Apple's natural inclination is not to proliferate many size variants. There are two screen sizes each for the iPad, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and iMac.
From a manufacturing perspective, this simplifies product design and supply chain management. It also likely improves gross margins.
From the developers' perspective -- particularly on the iOS side -- limited variants makes app development more manageable, with fewer combinations of screen sizes, aspect ratios, and pixel resolution.
iPhone is 50% of Apple's revenue/profit.
I think they are willing to make an exception for their cash cow.
3 sizes is no problem for them.
Hell even HTC makes 4 different sizes.
From my viewpoint I don't even consider the iPad and iPhone as two separate lines. I consider them one line with 4 different sizes.
That shows how blinkered your view of the iPad is.
Well, Apple has great margins (better than Samsung or anyone else in the handset industry by way), plus the limited number of screen sizes jibes with Apple's design philosophy, both from a product manufacturing perspective and how iOS developers have to program the various iOS devices.
Occam's razor would suggest that there is no 5.5" iPhone.
if metal cases were not expensive you can bet Samdung would have made metal Galaxies the past 3 years.
Even now with their new joke of a phone, only the side of the phone is metal.
Metal is VERY expensive to produce.
The machines are much more complex. It not just raw material costs.
Its so much easier to mode inject plastic, than make 1000 precision laser cuts of metal
For Apple, the cost different of making a Plastic iPhone and Metal iPhone is tiny when they already have those running. I.e They could have made the Mid Range iPhone with Metal, and the BOM would be less then 3% difference.
Making Metallic body means a lot more engineering on the Antenna front. And the biggest problem is making it scale. You cant create them fast enough, and the machinery that are required are being locked up by Apple years in advance.
Hence that is why you are only starting to see Metallic body phone in recent 12 months in low volume. And yes there are a lot of mid range phones in China that has half or more metallic body.
And the machinery that are required for HTC One are different.
Is it from those BOM that some sites post? Those are total BS.
Metal phones take way longer to make, materials cost more, more room for defects.
For plastic phones all you need is an injection mode.
LOL
Then by your argument Apple should make a plastic 4 and 4S and stop selling those metallic 4/4S? Because they are HUGLY expensive to make? Oh, and they happen to sit below your cheap plastic 5C pricing as well.
And, those BOM are BS? How do you know this? Kindly pick out those BOM slides and tell me where those BS are?
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More proof of the 5.5
Its time for the deniers to capitulate
Proof my ass -- only that Apple uses non sequential model numbers for products in the same line.
possible lineup from my contact in the middle east:
iPhone 5C - $450
iPhone Color - $550 - basically 5S in the same plastic shell as the 5C
iPhone Air - $650 - 4.7 inch
iPhone Pro - $750 - 5.5 inch, Sapphire
From now on Apple won't sell any mid-level phones with metal cases. Its just way to expensive.
The 5C and iPhone Color will have the exact same case. This will cut down on production costs big time. The iPhone Color will come in additional colors however.
The line between high-end and mid-end Apple phones will be clear as day. Plastic = mid-end. Metal = high-end.
In 2015 the transition will be complete. No longer will we have iPhone's with numbers.
iPhone Color - $450 - 4 inch
iPhone Color - $550 - 4.7 inch
iPhone Air - $650 - 4.7
iPhone Pro - $750 - 5.5
So now you are a budding analyst also¡
Personally, I think there is a good chance that there is no 5.5" handset waiting in the wings.
Apple's natural inclination is not to proliferate many size variants. There are two screen sizes each for the iPad, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro, and iMac.
From a manufacturing perspective, this simplifies product design and supply chain management. It also likely improves gross margins.
From the developers' perspective -- particularly on the iOS side -- limited variants makes app development more manageable, with fewer combinations of screen sizes, aspect ratios, and pixel resolution.
iPhone is 50% of Apple's revenue/profit.
I think they are willing to make an exception for their cash cow....
You have got to be kidding. A couple companies now are copying Apple's metallic cases (which are more expensive) while also struggling not to lose their asses on the cheap plastic ones they make now. They claim that it is too difficult to make a metal case that allows users to change a battery. You claim Apple's revenue or profit or both (that would be interesting) is 50% but a metal case is just too expensive.
Its OK to be excited about a rumor that doesn't seem to have much backing but OMG please get back on your meds before posting any more rants like this; or maybe off your meds ;-).
Nothing like another out of context article to add fuel to the "2 models" fire.
Quote:
Another explanation for the two model numbers would be if Apple decided to stick the guts of the iPhone 5s into a plastic body; that would require a new model number (just like the iPhone 5c phones).
This is almost definitely what this represents. The iPhone 6 and the new $99 offering, probably 5c-like, with 5s internals.
More proof of the 5.5
Its time for the deniers to capitulate
Precisely the opposite. Other than 'rumor', there has never been anything to indicate that Apple will do anything besides introduce 1 flagship model, and 1 revised model for the lower entry price. The 5s and 5c would have been prime examples of two brand new model numbers.
We'll see the same thing with the 6 and 6c or whatever the heck they call them.
What we won't see is Apple present the iPhone 6 with its amazing new well-thought-out 4.7" display........and then say, "Oh yeah there's also a 5.5". This is the REALLY good new iPhone. Forget what we just showed you."
The iPhone 5c wasn't really new.
Except it was. Completely.
Totally new physical design.
Totally new internal design (despite the SPECS being the same as the iPhone 5)
Totally new manufacturing process.
Totally new name.
= New Model Numbers.
It was new. I don't care if it takes the same photos or benchmarks the same as an iPhone 5 did.
Regardless of your opinions about the manufacturing process, if you look at Apple marketing department's behavior, it looks like they do not consider the iPhone 5c to really be a "new device" -- they have put very little effort into marketing the device.
Let's face it: the iPhone 5c is the iPhone 5 with lipstick. They had to redesign the PCB, but the other major components are basically the same.
Apple does not treat the iPhone 5c as a new device in their marketing efforts nor do they call out to it as a new device in their SEC filings.
Not so; so far, it's a Thai.
Can Thais tie ties, or do they find it too Thai-ersome?
Woo! I'm on a roll! DON'T STOP ME NOW
iPhone 6
iPhone 5sc
That shows how blinkered your view of the iPad is.
Said well.
Pretty good equation to me!
From now on Apple won't sell any mid-level phones with metal cases. Its just way to expensive.
Meta cases isn't expensive. The total cost of casing in the overall BOM is tiny. Plastic and Metal is more of a market segmentation rather then cost.
if metal cases were not expensive you can bet Samdung would have made metal Galaxies the past 3 years.
Even now with their new joke of a phone, only the side of the phone is metal.
Metal is VERY expensive to produce.
The machines are much more complex. It not just raw material costs.
Its so much easier to mode inject plastic, than make 1000 precision laser cuts of metal
For Apple, the cost different of making a Plastic iPhone and Metal iPhone is tiny when they already have those running. I.e They could have made the Mid Range iPhone with Metal, and the BOM would be less then 3% difference.
Making Metallic body means a lot more engineering on the Antenna front. And the biggest problem is making it scale. You cant create them fast enough, and the machinery that are required are being locked up by Apple years in advance.
Hence that is why you are only starting to see Metallic body phone in recent 12 months in low volume. And yes there are a lot of mid range phones in China that has half or more metallic body.
And the machinery that are required for HTC One are different.
How do you know this?
Is it from those BOM that some sites post? Those are total BS.
Metal phones take way longer to make, materials cost more, more room for defects.
For plastic phones all you need is an injection mode.
LOL
Then by your argument Apple should make a plastic 4 and 4S and stop selling those metallic 4/4S? Because they are HUGLY expensive to make? Oh, and they happen to sit below your cheap plastic 5C pricing as well.
And, those BOM are BS? How do you know this? Kindly pick out those BOM slides and tell me where those BS are?