Rumor: Schematic suggests NFC chip in 'iPhone 6,' RAM remains unknown [u]

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  • Reply 61 of 143
    evilutionevilution Posts: 1,398member

    I came here to read all the comments for the memory experts who know better than Apple and have travelled into the future and tested iOS8 on an iPhone6.

     

    Jeez, you complain about analysts making up rumours of stuff that hasn't happened but you are happy to spout your own.

    I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that, at the moment, you can't know you're right. iOS8 might be a lot more efficient or the 1GB rumour might not be true.

     

    We just don't know.

  • Reply 62 of 143
    I am get the feeling that the specs on the two iPhones are going to be very different with the large one sporting twice the RAM and CPU cores as the smaller one.
  • Reply 63 of 143
    nelsonxnelsonx Posts: 278member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lilgto64 View Post

    Could be that the iOS operating system has a smaller memory footprint than Android. 

     

    Or perhaps they are using a sort of paging to fee up memory with little or no impact on performance - or maybe the chip is powerful enough to do compression. 

     

    If only they could prefect carbon nanotube batteries - and get a 10x increase in the charge density of the battery - or maybe it is micro crystal batteries - whatever the next major breakthrough in batteries. 

     

    Or maybe they are just fucking greedy!
  • Reply 64 of 143
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,521member
    I don't have an opinion on whether they should put more RAM in the iPhone or not, but comparisons to Android are misleading. Android is horribly inefficient and using dalvik (java) VMs for apps ups the RAM requirements for sufficient performance. (My comments are only about the comparisons to Android, not the efficacy of additional RAM).
  • Reply 65 of 143
    nelsonxnelsonx Posts: 278member
    Of course 1Gb is sufficient because no developer will be stupid enough to build an app that needs more than 1Gb of memory if he knows the iPhone doesn't have more than 1Gb of memory! However this is NOT GOOD! Give developers more memory so they could build BETTER apps! Artificially limiting the iPhone memory is only bad for consumers but of course is great for Apple profits! Unfortunately, the average consumer and the brain washed Apple fan will never knew he is missing those potentially great apps that will never be build because of lack of memory.
  • Reply 66 of 143

    Originally Posted by sog35 View Post


    How expensive is 1 extra GB of RAM?  $5?




    Originally Posted by NelsonX View Post

    Or maybe they are just fucking greedy!


     

    Yes, the only possible consideration is cost. Not power draw or heat or anything else, Apple is just being cheap¡ :no:

     

    Originally Posted by patpatpat View Post

    It would seem to me that more RAM (within reason) would also improve battery life. 

     

    What gives you that idea? It’s more hardware that has to be powered 100% of the time the device is on.

     

    Originally Posted by Evilution View Post

    I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that, at the moment, you can't know you're right.

     

    Words to live by on a rumor site. 

     

    Originally Posted by GrangerFX View Post



    I am get the feeling that the specs on the two iPhones are going to be very different with the large one sporting twice the RAM and CPU cores as the smaller one.



    Why on Earth do you still think there are two iPhones being released? Why on Earth do you think the specs would be different in any way, anyway?

  • Reply 67 of 143
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,521member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xgman View Post

     

    No,  you really do need it to keep pace with the rest of the market. 1GB ram is a low end budget device spec at this point no matter how much so called optimization is going on. Maybe the 5.5 will come with 2gb? If not I'll be shocked, but not entirely surprised.


    Apple leads the rest of the market.  

     

    Comparisons to Android are invalid.  Android is inefficient and uses RAM in a different way.  So "keep pace with the rest of the market" has no meaning.

     

    Now, I am not voicing an opinion on whether the iPhone should get more RAM or not.  That is a different question with both positives and negatives from the technical side.

  • Reply 68 of 143
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 2,488member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

     

     

    More memory will benefit everybody. It seems a waste of a 64 bit chip to not try and beat Android, now where Apple has the chance. 

     

    I don't care if they charged more, they do that for flash. 


    A bigger battery, a faster CPU, and more flash would benefit everybody too. But with every benefit comes a cost. Apple has to find the right mix of benefits and costs. There are no free lunches. 

     

    edit -- just to clarify, I'm not arguing whether adding more RAM to the iPhone 6 is the right thing to do or not. It might be, it might not be. I'm arguing that Apple is better positioned to make that decision than anyone here is. 

     

    I would also say that many companies are not able to make these types of decisions about tradeoffs as well as Apple, and instead just produce every possible permutation of features until they find one that people like -- that's the Samsung way, for example. Both approaches have advantages. I personally prefer Apple's approach, and I think they implement it well. But I can definitely understand that others might prefer the Samsung way. 

  • Reply 69 of 143
    crowleycrowley Posts: 9,123member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

     

    Why on Earth do you still think there are two iPhones being released? Why on Earth do you think the specs would be different in any way, anyway?


     

    There were last year, and they had different specs.

  • Reply 70 of 143
    Originally Posted by Crowley View Post

    There were last year, and they had different specs.




    You know what he means. :p

     

    But thank you for that wonderful image you’ve put back into my head of an iPhone 5SC. Really feels good to dwell on that garbage again¡ :grumble:

  • Reply 71 of 143
    schlackschlack Posts: 708member
    None of your programs need anywhere near 1GB of RAM.

    It comes down to OS needs and multi-tasking.

    iOS is probably very frugal with RAM and multi-tasking is limited to specific tasks that the OS allows...so it's probably able to achieve much more than you imagine with that amount of RAM.
  • Reply 72 of 143
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">At what point is your usage demands a true Virtual Memory management system and  OS, e.g. a Macbook Air?  </span>


    <span style="line-height:1.4em;">I don't ask my Honda Accord to haul 3 ton of fertilizer, because it's not the right tool for the job.  But I do haul a couple hundred pounds at a time, knowing that for small jobs , and the occasional  repeat trips to Lowes, the extra round trip time is not that bad compared to the rental/purchase price of a pickup </span>
    truck.  
    So iPad is not the right tool for browsing the internet using Safari?

    Btw, at most I maybe have 5-6 tabs open. But even if I have half of that open I still get constant tab refreshes. This certainly isn't something unique to me.
  • Reply 73 of 143
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,521member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by schlack View Post



    None of your programs need anywhere near 1GB of RAM.



    It comes down to OS needs and multi-tasking.



    iOS is probably very frugal with RAM and multi-tasking is limited to specific tasks that the OS allows...so it's probably able to achieve much more than you imagine with that amount of RAM.

     

    I am not calling for Apple to up the RAM as there are tradeoffs, but to say that "None of your programs need anywhere near 1GB of RAM" is just ignorant.  With a "desktop class" 64bit CPU, you can do things with your phone that you wouldn't have thought possible and some of those need RAM.  Things like signal processing and synthesis, etc. can all benefit from RAM.

  • Reply 74 of 143
    chadbagchadbag Posts: 1,521member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rogifan View Post





    So browsing the internet using Safari is too demanding for the iPad?

     

    I have no problem browsing the internet using Safari on my iPad as it stands now.

  • Reply 75 of 143
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    chadbag wrote: »
    I have no problem browsing the internet using Safari on my iPad as it stands now.

    You never have tab refreshes? Safari never crashes on you? If so consider yourself lucky. I had constant tab refreshes on the 3rd gen iPad running iOS 6 so it's not a new problem (for me at least).
  • Reply 76 of 143
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,122member
    krawall wrote: »
    I am aware of this but hte situation is worse when you (as it is right now for many users)have to load 32 and 64 bit libraries at the same time. And guess what - memory was sufficient until now even under less than ideal conditions. Somebody also mentioned memory compression a la Mavericks. Again a reason to believe ios8 wil rock.

    Apps may not have to load both libraries. Apple knows the device the app is intended for. The correct libraries could be loaded upon download.

    I am not sure, that is, I don't believe that iOS will use memory compression, but I could be wrong.
  • Reply 77 of 143
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,122member
    charlituna wrote: »
    RAM isn't the whole issue. Efficient processors and operating system can compensate for 'less' RAM. Inefficient ones can remain so no matter how many dozens of GB of RAM you put in the device.

    This is something that Apple might understand even if bloggers, users etc don't. And perhaps even Samsung either doesn't get it or they know that the average person doesn't so they stuff in more RAM than is being efficiently used to impress users who don't know better.

    That sounds good, but OS efficiency is one thing, large data files are something else.
  • Reply 78 of 143
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,399member
    Originally Posted by schlack View Post

    None of your programs need anywhere near 1GB of RAM.

     

    You’re sure about that, are you?

  • Reply 79 of 143
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,122member
    blastdoor wrote: »
    There's a difference between saying that Apple is not making a product with the best mix of features *for you* and saying that Apple is not making a product with the best mix of features *for them* (which is closely related to making the best mix of features for the majority of customers). You're well positioned to assess what's best for you -- I'm sure you would benefit from more RAM. But Apple is substantially better positioned to assess what's best for them and/or the majority. That doesn't mean they'll always be right, but in cases where you and they disagree, my guess is they are going to be right about 90% of the time. 

    There are plenty of examples where I wish Apple would choose features that are a better fit to my needs. For example, I'd rather that the Mac Pro had two Xeons and one GPU rather than two GPUs and one Xeon. But clearly Apple has determined that more of their pro customers would benefit from a second GPU than a second Xeon. They are much better positioned than I am to make that assessment, so I'm guessing they probably made the right call. It's not that I think they can't make mistakes -- it's just that I think it's much more likely that I will make a mistake in assessing what's best for them than that they will. 

    I hate to be the one to say this, but, Apple isn't always right. Hard to believe, I know, but true nevertheless.

    And notice the people here talking about the problems with Safari. And yes, Safari does use a lot of RAM. That's true on the Desktop as well.

    And it's not just me. Gaming companies have complained about the lack of sufficient RAM. I'm willing to bet that most people would benefit from more, not just me, and those like me.

    But as I said, it's possible that 1GB is just sufficient on the iPhone. But maybe the new models will need more. From what I can remember, video shares RAM on these devices, and the more sophisticated the video /graphics processing is, the more RAM they will need.

    At any rate, more is definitely needed for the iPad. And as Apple has done that before, they could choose to do it again.
  • Reply 80 of 143
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,122member
    evilution wrote: »
    I came here to read all the comments for the memory experts who know better than Apple and have travelled into the future and tested iOS8 on an iPhone6.

    Jeez, you complain about analysts making up rumours of stuff that hasn't happened but you are happy to spout your own.
    I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that, at the moment, you can't know you're right. iOS8 might be a lot more efficient or the 1GB rumour might not be true.

    We just don't know.

    Oh please! As Apple is ALWAYS correct. About everything. All the time. No matter what.

    Those of us who use these products on a regular basis see memory related problems. They are known to be memory related problems.

    Apple's decisions can be murky. We don't always know why they are made.
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