Well, a second speaker to make it stereo certainly would be cool. Maybe not that important on a phone, but seems like compulsory on a tablet.
Because the problem with speakers on a tablet is that there isn't a wide enough soundstage? The sounds-like-banging-on-a-tin-cup 1/2" speaker turned sideways fed through a metal grate is okay as long as there are two, discrete sources of distorted din?
May I suggest a pair of even modest quality headphones instead?
If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, it's better not to wear headphones, so ClemyNX suggests a better solution.
Because the problem with speakers on a tablet is that there isn't a wide enough sounde sounds-like-banging-on-a-tin-cup 1/2" speaker turned sideways fed through a metal grate is okay as long as there are two, discrete sources of distorted din?
May I suggest a pair of even modest quality headphones instead?
Maybe even a portable Bluetooth speaker. I'm not a fan of Bose headphones but their Soundlink Mini is pretty gosh darn good, though a little on the expensive side. I have to give the Nokia 360's the best buy for all around price to sound ratio, their fantastic. You can even pair two of them together, their battery also lasts longer then any speaker I have ever owned.
Of course it is fake. The phone would never have a plastic trim bezel around the glass. It won't have a fat rounded edge back panel like the original iPhone.
I really hope it is rounded; it would make it much more comfortable to hold than the iPhone 5/5s.
1) I like to keep my phone upside down in my front pocket so when I grab it, I have the home button as a grip location, safer not to let it slip plus it is in the proper orientation to view the screen when just checking the time, hence the earphone plug is a better fit pointing up when it is in my pocket.
2) If the jack is on the top, the wire is hanging down sometimes getting in the way of using the screen,
3) If the plug is on the bottom, gravity allows the wire to naturally flow downward instead of on the top and bending back putting stress on the insulation where it connects to the plug.
All minor points true, but still a better design to have it on the bottom in my opinion. I'd be interested to learn why you would prefer it on the top.
I thought I preferred it on top until I did some "evaluating" while sitting on the bus (it was that or stare at my navel). I made the same kinds of observations you did -- maybe not exactly the same points, but similar enough -- and ultimately decided that the state of my navel was a better subject of my attention than coming up with reasons that one location was better than another for a headphone jack!
It may be of no interest to you, but I'm glad that J. Ive thinks about every little detail; there is always a reason for a decision.
If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, it's better not to wear headphones,
Headphones don't cause hearing loss any more or less than any other sound hitting your ear. Typical hearing loss is a function of sound pressure level combined with length of exposure. In other words, listening too loud for too long. There's no rule that says headphones must be turned up too loud. Just use common sense. If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, don't subject your ears to high sound pressure levels for extended periods of time.
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Frost
Why does the iPhone still only have one speaker?
Because the only advantage to stereo over mono is spacial diversity, and there is none when the speakers are separated by less than an inch.
And, because the tiny little shitty speaker on a phone is quite obviously not intended for listening enjoyment. It exists for ringtones and alerts and convenient quick listens. If you're actually listening to music that way there are concerns much, much greater than whether you're hearing the hi-hat in the correct spacial perspective. Like whether that solo is being played on cello or chainsaw.
Seems like both of these issues are rather painfully obvious. Are you trying to be funny? If so, you really need to hone your craft.
If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, it's better not to wear headphones,
Headphones don't cause hearing loss any more or less than any other sound hitting your ear. Typical hearing loss is a function of sound pressure level combined with length of exposure. In other words, listening too loud for too long. There's no rule that says headphones must be turned up too loud. Just use common sense. If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, don't subject your ears to high sound pressure levels for extended periods of time.
Not so.
It's very easy to damage your hearing by wearing headphones in noisy environments, by turning them up too loud. Listening through speakers, if you are at home, you are likely to be in a much quieter environment than when commuting, and so are much less likely to listen at a damaging level.
It's no good saying just use common sense; it's very hard to tell what is too loud in a noisy place. In Europe, there is a setting to limit the iPhone's headphones volume, but that setting will be much too quiet for many situations. Therefore, the safest course of action is to avoid using headphones wherever possible.
It's very easy to damage your hearing by wearing headphones in noisy environments, by turning them up too loud. Listening through speakers, if you are at home, you are likely to be in a much quieter environment than when commuting, and so are much less likely to listen at a damaging level.
You're drawing the right conclusion but for the wrong reason. It's not the headphones that are the culprit, it's the environment. Using your example: if one was using speakers in a noisy environment, one would also have to turn them up too loud. If one was using headphones at home, there would be no need to turn them up to damaging levels. Your suggestion that one avoids hearing damage by using speakers is a flawed premise. You're saying that one has to turn it up to 11 to overcome commuting noise. That will be true when using speakers, too.
It's not the headphones that are the problem. The problem is exposure to excessive sound pressure levels. The reasons for the excessive levels don't change that.
<span style="line-height:1.4em;">It's very easy to damage your hearing by wearing headphones in noisy environments, by turning them up too loud. Listening through speakers, if you are at home, you are likely to be in a much quieter environment than when commuting, and so are much less likely to listen at a damaging level.</span>
You're drawing the right conclusion but for the wrong reason. It's not the headphones that are the culprit, it's the environment. Using your example: if one was using speakers in a noisy environment, one would also have to turn them up too loud. If one was using headphones at home, there would be no need to turn them up to damaging levels. Your suggestion that one avoids hearing damage by using speakers is a flawed premise. You're saying that one has to turn it up to 11 to overcome commuting noise. That will be true when using speakers, too.
It's not the headphones that are the problem. The problem is exposure to excessive sound pressure levels. The reasons for the excessive levels don't change that.
Oh gosh your right, still doesn't stop the kids from doing it though. My kids favorite place to go too eat is this place called Podium in Zug, it's a favorite amongst the pot smokers and social outcasts in general because of the tolerant atmosphere. Every time we've gone, there has been at least three people pumping out their favorite jams via a Bluetooth box. Problem is, not everyone enjoys the same music, so you have techno on one end, rock in the middle and some ethnic crap at the other, by the way I'm throwing Swiss music in the mix when I say ethnic crap. Thank goodness the food is out of this world and the kids enjoy it because of the amount of other kids that are there or I would never go. The cooks are mostly students trying to get their degrees so they always try their best and it shows. Because it's a teaching restraunt the prices are very reasonable for what you get.
In Europe, there is a setting to limit the iPhone's headphones volume, but that setting will be much too quiet for many situations.
I want which ever old fart who purposed that legislation to be locked into a room for at least 3 days and forced to listen too, It's a Small World on a loop with the volume turned up so high it causes his ears to bleed. These assholes need to stay out of my business, thankfully it's just a dialog box that states turning the volume up may result in hearing lost but it only takes one idiot to ruin it for the rest of us, to add insult to injury the little f@#$%r probably worked as a demolition technician but since some hippy organization had a stick up their ass we the consumers have to pay for it. If I want to smoke crack while doing the wobbly H with two players from the starting lineup of Manchester United, it's my prerogative. Stop forcing your shitty laws on me because you weren't laid enough, most likely ever in high school.
Now before any of you get the wrong idea about me, I'm really not that easy, I expect at least a meal and money for a cab ride, I'm a lady after all.
Those that can handle my conditions can find me at the Lowen café in Zug, don't forget, bring a friend.
So WHAT? That has nothing to do with the point! Where and how people listen doesn't change the fact that what you asserted is plainly untrue. Headphones do NOT cause hearing loss, loudness does. The fact that some people use headphones to damage their ears doesn't make headphones inherently harmful any more than some people using bridges to commit suicide makes bridges a cause of suicide. Both are a means by which people inflict harm on themselves through their own choices, and NOT a case of the means being harmful in and of itself.
In fact, if one were to use headphones with decent isolation, one could attenuate outside noise and actually listen at a LOWER, safer level. In that case, headphones could be said to be PROTECTING their hearing.
Argue around the issue with obfuscation all you want, it doesn't change the laws of physics and physiology.
So WHAT? That has nothing to do with the point! Where and how people listen doesn't change the fact that what you asserted is plainly untrue. Headphones do NOT cause hearing loss, loudness does. The fact that some people use headphones to damage their ears doesn't make headphones inherently harmful any more than some people using bridges to commit suicide makes bridges a cause of suicide. Both are a means by which people inflict harm on themselves through their own choices, and NOT a case of the means being harmful in and of itself.
In fact, if one were to use headphones with decent isolation, one could attenuate outside noise and actually listen at a LOWER, safer level. In that case, headphones could be said to be PROTECTING their hearing.
Argue around the issue with obfuscation all you want, it doesn't change the laws of physics and physiology.
Another flawed argument.
Ever since portable music became popular since the Walkman, people have been damaging their hearing by wearing headphones. Their hearing will be that much worse as a result. It's a fact of life. You can't cloud the issue by saying that everyone should use noise-cancelling headphones; they don't. Most people stick with the earbuds that come with the phone.
Clubbing and rock concerts are two areas where speakers are likely to damage your hearing. Some jobs are likely to. We often encounter daily environments which exceed safety levels, but as long as it is not too long, it's okay. The problem with headphones is that people listen for hours at too high a volume, which is what makes it worse.
Because the problem with speakers on a tablet is that there isn't a wide enough soundstage? The sounds-like-banging-on-a-tin-cup 1/2" speaker turned sideways fed through a metal grate is okay as long as there are two, discrete sources of distorted din?
May I suggest a pair of even modest quality headphones instead?
So let's stop using speakers altogether !
More seriously, it's not because it's not YOUR usage that it's not MY usage. I like listening to videos by myself while I am at home and whether it's on my iPhone or my iPad I get mono sound which totally SUCKS. If you want to argue that stereo isn't needed I'm not even going to answer. I want stereo and I'm disappointed that Apple hasn't added it, looking that many other manufacturers have for a long time. I'm sure they'll do it eventually by the wait is annoying.
Obviously I was talking about usage in landscape mode... you know, the way people watch movies on the iPhone most of the time. And the argument doesn't work on iPad whatever the orientation.
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Originally Posted by Lorin Schultz
Because the only advantage to stereo over mono is spacial diversity, and there is none when the speakers are separated by less than an inch.
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Well, a second speaker to make it stereo certainly would be cool. Maybe not that important on a phone, but seems like compulsory on a tablet.
Because the problem with speakers on a tablet is that there isn't a wide enough soundstage? The sounds-like-banging-on-a-tin-cup 1/2" speaker turned sideways fed through a metal grate is okay as long as there are two, discrete sources of distorted din?
May I suggest a pair of even modest quality headphones instead?
If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, it's better not to wear headphones, so ClemyNX suggests a better solution.
Maybe even a portable Bluetooth speaker. I'm not a fan of Bose headphones but their Soundlink Mini is pretty gosh darn good, though a little on the expensive side. I have to give the Nokia 360's the best buy for all around price to sound ratio, their fantastic. You can even pair two of them together, their battery also lasts longer then any speaker I have ever owned.
http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-Play-Bluetooth-Speaker-Black/dp/B0074F5DMO
Ok it looks fine... As if anyone really cares what their phone looks like anymore. Metal and glass im various iterations...
Does this thing perform authentication and location service for payments, unlocking doors, etc?
Does this have 160gb space and the ability to alter tags for my lossless music collection?
Can it last 24 hours in full usage while also running bluetooth?
I am a long apple investor but I have been waiting a LONG time for my wishlist to be fulfilled and getting impatient. i know i am not the only one.
I want a premium phone with all of the above requests and I will pay for it.
Most people don't stay awake for 24 hours, so Apple is unlikely to fulfil your wishes unless there is a sea-change in battery technology.
I had hoped that Apple would go back to putting the headphone jack on the top, and not the bottom of the phone. I find the latter a tad annoying.
Just use wireless headphones; problem solved.
Of course it is fake. The phone would never have a plastic trim bezel around the glass. It won't have a fat rounded edge back panel like the original iPhone.
I really hope it is rounded; it would make it much more comfortable to hold than the iPhone 5/5s.
I think it works much better on the bottom.
1) I like to keep my phone upside down in my front pocket so when I grab it, I have the home button as a grip location, safer not to let it slip plus it is in the proper orientation to view the screen when just checking the time, hence the earphone plug is a better fit pointing up when it is in my pocket.
2) If the jack is on the top, the wire is hanging down sometimes getting in the way of using the screen,
3) If the plug is on the bottom, gravity allows the wire to naturally flow downward instead of on the top and bending back putting stress on the insulation where it connects to the plug.
All minor points true, but still a better design to have it on the bottom in my opinion. I'd be interested to learn why you would prefer it on the top.
I thought I preferred it on top until I did some "evaluating" while sitting on the bus (it was that or stare at my navel). I made the same kinds of observations you did -- maybe not exactly the same points, but similar enough -- and ultimately decided that the state of my navel was a better subject of my attention than coming up with reasons that one location was better than another for a headphone jack!
It may be of no interest to you, but I'm glad that J. Ive thinks about every little detail; there is always a reason for a decision.
At least no more “Why does only one speaker work on my iPhone this is horrible Apple is evil they sold me a broken phone” nonsense.
Too old a reference?
It never gets old; people still ask about the second speaker.
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Why does the iPhone still only have one speaker? Get with the times, Apple.
They're wrong, and so are you. But after all, what do you know?
SO, something posted randomly to the InterWebs that looks absolutely awful is *surely* the new design? Really? You're positive about this?
That thing looks like crap. Unfinished crap.
If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, it's better not to wear headphones,
Headphones don't cause hearing loss any more or less than any other sound hitting your ear. Typical hearing loss is a function of sound pressure level combined with length of exposure. In other words, listening too loud for too long. There's no rule that says headphones must be turned up too loud. Just use common sense. If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, don't subject your ears to high sound pressure levels for extended periods of time.
Why does the iPhone still only have one speaker?
Because the only advantage to stereo over mono is spacial diversity, and there is none when the speakers are separated by less than an inch.
And, because the tiny little shitty speaker on a phone is quite obviously not intended for listening enjoyment. It exists for ringtones and alerts and convenient quick listens. If you're actually listening to music that way there are concerns much, much greater than whether you're hearing the hi-hat in the correct spacial perspective. Like whether that solo is being played on cello or chainsaw.
Seems like both of these issues are rather painfully obvious. Are you trying to be funny? If so, you really need to hone your craft.
If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, it's better not to wear headphones,
Headphones don't cause hearing loss any more or less than any other sound hitting your ear. Typical hearing loss is a function of sound pressure level combined with length of exposure. In other words, listening too loud for too long. There's no rule that says headphones must be turned up too loud. Just use common sense. If you don't wish to suffer hearing loss, don't subject your ears to high sound pressure levels for extended periods of time.
Not so.
It's very easy to damage your hearing by wearing headphones in noisy environments, by turning them up too loud. Listening through speakers, if you are at home, you are likely to be in a much quieter environment than when commuting, and so are much less likely to listen at a damaging level.
It's no good saying just use common sense; it's very hard to tell what is too loud in a noisy place. In Europe, there is a setting to limit the iPhone's headphones volume, but that setting will be much too quiet for many situations. Therefore, the safest course of action is to avoid using headphones wherever possible.
It's very easy to damage your hearing by wearing headphones in noisy environments, by turning them up too loud. Listening through speakers, if you are at home, you are likely to be in a much quieter environment than when commuting, and so are much less likely to listen at a damaging level.
You're drawing the right conclusion but for the wrong reason. It's not the headphones that are the culprit, it's the environment. Using your example: if one was using speakers in a noisy environment, one would also have to turn them up too loud. If one was using headphones at home, there would be no need to turn them up to damaging levels. Your suggestion that one avoids hearing damage by using speakers is a flawed premise. You're saying that one has to turn it up to 11 to overcome commuting noise. That will be true when using speakers, too.
It's not the headphones that are the problem. The problem is exposure to excessive sound pressure levels. The reasons for the excessive levels don't change that.
Flawed argument. No-one uses speakers in public, unless you're feeling particularly anti-social.
Oh gosh your right, still doesn't stop the kids from doing it though. My kids favorite place to go too eat is this place called Podium in Zug, it's a favorite amongst the pot smokers and social outcasts in general because of the tolerant atmosphere. Every time we've gone, there has been at least three people pumping out their favorite jams via a Bluetooth box. Problem is, not everyone enjoys the same music, so you have techno on one end, rock in the middle and some ethnic crap at the other, by the way I'm throwing Swiss music in the mix when I say ethnic crap. Thank goodness the food is out of this world and the kids enjoy it because of the amount of other kids that are there or I would never go. The cooks are mostly students trying to get their degrees so they always try their best and it shows. Because it's a teaching restraunt the prices are very reasonable for what you get.
Here's a reason why my kids love going their;
First location
Second Atmosphere
Lastly the food
I want which ever old fart who purposed that legislation to be locked into a room for at least 3 days and forced to listen too, It's a Small World on a loop with the volume turned up so high it causes his ears to bleed. These assholes need to stay out of my business, thankfully it's just a dialog box that states turning the volume up may result in hearing lost but it only takes one idiot to ruin it for the rest of us, to add insult to injury the little f@#$%r probably worked as a demolition technician but since some hippy organization had a stick up their ass we the consumers have to pay for it. If I want to smoke crack while doing the wobbly H with two players from the starting lineup of Manchester United, it's my prerogative. Stop forcing your shitty laws on me because you weren't laid enough, most likely ever in high school.
Now before any of you get the wrong idea about me, I'm really not that easy, I expect at least a meal and money for a cab ride, I'm a lady after all.
Those that can handle my conditions can find me at the Lowen café in Zug, don't forget, bring a friend.
Flawed argument. No-one uses speakers in public, unless you're feeling particularly anti-social.
So WHAT? That has nothing to do with the point! Where and how people listen doesn't change the fact that what you asserted is plainly untrue. Headphones do NOT cause hearing loss, loudness does. The fact that some people use headphones to damage their ears doesn't make headphones inherently harmful any more than some people using bridges to commit suicide makes bridges a cause of suicide. Both are a means by which people inflict harm on themselves through their own choices, and NOT a case of the means being harmful in and of itself.
In fact, if one were to use headphones with decent isolation, one could attenuate outside noise and actually listen at a LOWER, safer level. In that case, headphones could be said to be PROTECTING their hearing.
Argue around the issue with obfuscation all you want, it doesn't change the laws of physics and physiology.
Another flawed argument.
Ever since portable music became popular since the Walkman, people have been damaging their hearing by wearing headphones. Their hearing will be that much worse as a result. It's a fact of life. You can't cloud the issue by saying that everyone should use noise-cancelling headphones; they don't. Most people stick with the earbuds that come with the phone.
Clubbing and rock concerts are two areas where speakers are likely to damage your hearing. Some jobs are likely to. We often encounter daily environments which exceed safety levels, but as long as it is not too long, it's okay. The problem with headphones is that people listen for hours at too high a volume, which is what makes it worse.
The problem with headphones people is that people listen for hours at too high a volume, which is what makes it worse.
Fixed that for you.
Because the problem with speakers on a tablet is that there isn't a wide enough soundstage? The sounds-like-banging-on-a-tin-cup 1/2" speaker turned sideways fed through a metal grate is okay as long as there are two, discrete sources of distorted din?
May I suggest a pair of even modest quality headphones instead?
So let's stop using speakers altogether !
More seriously, it's not because it's not YOUR usage that it's not MY usage. I like listening to videos by myself while I am at home and whether it's on my iPhone or my iPad I get mono sound which totally SUCKS. If you want to argue that stereo isn't needed I'm not even going to answer. I want stereo and I'm disappointed that Apple hasn't added it, looking that many other manufacturers have for a long time. I'm sure they'll do it eventually by the wait is annoying.
Less than an inch?
Obviously I was talking about usage in landscape mode... you know, the way people watch movies on the iPhone most of the time. And the argument doesn't work on iPad whatever the orientation.
Because the only advantage to stereo over mono is spacial diversity, and there is none when the speakers are separated by less than an inch.