In the last few weeks, all of the high-end retailers in the SF Bay area have strangely begun to focus their point-of-purchase devices (the things that you swipe your card through) towards NFC. The on-screen messages are directing users towards NFC, tapping the phone, etc.
Seems to me that if this info on a secure enclave is true, then Apple has just painted a big bull's-eye on the iPhone 6. Hackers will go after it even if just for bragging rights. Still, Apple does pretty well in the security area and I dare say any hack will probably require physical access to the phone.
Seems to me that if this info on a secure enclave is true, then Apple has just painted a big bull's-eye on the iPhone 6. Hackers will go after it even if just for bragging rights. Still, Apple does pretty well in the security area and I dare say any hack will probably require physical access to the phone.
It's been a year and I haven't heard about anyone being able to break into the secure enclave. Even if they were able to do by having the device, it's certainly much safer than having a wallet where your full name, expiration date, CCV number and full CC number is printed directly on the card. In that time it would take them to access that info (assuming they had a way) you could wipe the device, or at least cancel your cards.
I saw one of those NFC terminals you're supposed to kind of wave your card at...once. Years and years ago. At a Jack-in-the-Box, I think. It was gathering dust. I have never, ever, ever, e v e r seen any kind of NFC device used. Ever. NFC is a technology whose time has come and gone, without ever coming. It probably peaked 3 or 4 years ago, if a "peak" that doesn't even move the meter can be called a peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Japan, blah, blah, blah...newsflash: This ain't Japan. Sticking an NFC chip in the iPhone just because it's one of the meaningless bullet points Fandroids like to check off would be silly.
It's been a year and I haven't heard about anyone being able to break into the secure enclave.
True, but won't the new enclave have a lot more information, mainly credit cards, maybe bank info?
Even if they were able to do by having the device, it's certainly much safer than having a wallet where your full name, expiration date, CCV number and full CC number is printed directly on the card.
Absolutely!
In that time it would take them to access that info (assuming they had a way) you could wipe the device, or at least cancel your cards.
I was thinking how cool it would be if the phone could detect someone messing with the internal parts (e.g. disconnecting the battery, etc.) and it auto-destructs the information.
True, but won't the new enclave have a lot more information, mainly credit cards, maybe bank info?
1) CC and debit info I can see, but not general bank info since that's not what we use to make purchases.
2) I wonder if it's better to store specific card into on the device or use a referential value that can check with Apple's servers for the purchase so even if your device is completely compromised you actual card data is still safe. This would mean having the card data in Apple's cloud which i don't think is better than the secure enclave.
I was thinking how cool it would be if the phone could detect someone messing with the internal parts (e.g. disconnecting the battery, etc.) and it auto-destructs the information.
I've read that even the actual Touch ID sensor is unique so you can't simply swap one out for another so I could see that as being a feature. I'm going to say they won't be able to incorporate that but I'd definitely like to see it.
I understood Gruber's comments to be sarcastic -particularly the point about only being able to use one of the new iPhones for any kind of payment system.
Without support for the older devices Apple wouldn't have a large enough install base to persuade any retailers etc. to get on board.
I saw one of those NFC terminals you're supposed to kind of wave your card at...once. Years and years ago. At a Jack-in-the-Box, I think. It was gathering dust. I have never, ever, ever, e v e r seen any kind of NFC device used. Ever. NFC is a technology whose time has come and gone, without ever coming. It probably peaked 3 or 4 years ago, if a "peak" that doesn't even move the meter can be called a peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Japan, blah, blah, blah...newsflash: This ain't Japan. Sticking an NFC chip in the iPhone just because it's one of the meaningless bullet points Fandroids like to check off would be silly.
Seriously? Where do you live? In Vancouver there are more such terminals every day. They're awesome! Just tap your card and walk away. No PIN required under a certain limit -- a couple hundred bucks for me, may vary by customer or card issuer, I don't know. The bank covers me if someone steals or compromises the card.
Seriously? Where do you live? In Vancouver there are more such terminals every day. They're awesome! Just tap your card and walk away. No PIN required under a certain limit -- a couple hundred bucks for me, may vary by customer or card issuer, I don't know. The bank covers me if someone steals or compromises the card.
They're becoming more popular here in the UK but the payment limit is pretty low, something like £30. They have them at the petrol station I go to, but thanks to our ridiculously high fuel prices you can't fill your tank for less than the limit.
At the time [2012], Schiller said Passbook covered the bases for consumers.
Could be, but a product with such an incredibly narrow scope and even narrower customer awareness isn't what I'd call a "win" for iPhone owners.
Seriously, outside of a few regulars on this forum, how many people do you know who even know what Passbook is, what it does, and how it works? I'm mentally going through a list of people I know, looking for those I think are likely to be familiar with Passbook. I come up with zero, and lots of those people are not only very tech-aware but are also voracious mobile device consumers.
Maybe Passbook will evolve, but at this point, despite Apple's efforts to bring value to it, it doesn't seem to be much more than a novelty for the majority of users (IMHO, of course).
I've used Passbok twice, once for a cinema ticket, and once for an Apple Gift Card, and the experience was petty good, but in it's current form it has niche appeal.
Checking the Apps For Passbook area of the App Store, it's dominated by travel, and mainly airways, so frequent flyers probably get a lot of use out of it, but the majority aren't frequent flyers.
I saw one of those NFC terminals you're supposed to kind of wave your card at...once. Years and years ago. At a Jack-in-the-Box, I think. It was gathering dust. I have never, ever, ever, e v e r seen any kind of NFC device used. Ever. NFC is a technology whose time has come and gone, without ever coming. It probably peaked 3 or 4 years ago, if a "peak" that doesn't even move the meter can be called a peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Japan, blah, blah, blah...newsflash: This ain't Japan. Sticking an NFC chip in the iPhone just because it's one of the meaningless bullet points Fandroids like to check off would be silly.
NFC is extremely common here. More terminals have them than not. There's a limit to payment but beyond that limit, you're asked to enter your pin.
We've just progressed to pin only, you're unable to sign transactions anymore. NFC is the next step and I expect it to be ubiquitous here soon rather than later.
Attention-grabbing dudes like John Gruber are really sad pricks. They know next-to-nothing but are always opening their big yaps and standing on their little soapbox trying to draw a crowd. If he's got anything to say about mobile payments, he should wait until Apple introduces it on the iPhone. The rumor-mongers are rather pathetic.
Sounds like you dumped AAPL at the bottom and missed the rise to all time highs. Poor you.
NFC is extremely common here. More terminals have them than not. There's a limit to payment but beyond that limit, you're asked to enter your pin.
We've just progressed to pin only, you're unable to sign transactions anymore. NFC is the next step and I expect it to be ubiquitous here soon rather than later.
Australia btw.
NFC may still have problems finding acceptance in the US, especially since recent data intrusions such as the one at Target is still fresh in the minds of the public.
Personally, any place (other than online, obviously) that will not take cash I will refuse to patronize. Cash is still the fastest anonymous way to shop. I don't want my every living and breathing moment recorded to benefit a seller or advertiser, TBH.
I saw one of those NFC terminals you're supposed to kind of wave your card at...once. Years and years ago. At a Jack-in-the-Box, I think. It was gathering dust. I have never, ever, ever, e v e r seen any kind of NFC device used. Ever. NFC is a technology whose time has come and gone, without ever coming. It probably peaked 3 or 4 years ago, if a "peak" that doesn't even move the meter can be called a peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Japan, blah, blah, blah...newsflash: This ain't Japan. Sticking an NFC chip in the iPhone just because it's one of the meaningless bullet points Fandroids like to check off would be silly.
In DFW they are all over the place. Not sure where you live. So I disagree completely.
Where I do agree- is that I never see them being used. And the reason you haven't ever seen them used? Apple hasn't put one in the iPhone. The day they do that, the day you'll see it used all the time.
Then we'll hear the typical android call of "We could do that 4 years ago". And our retort will be "ya- but no one did or cared". Both of which will be true.
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So NFC in the iPhone is undeniably imminent.
Seems to me that if this info on a secure enclave is true, then Apple has just painted a big bull's-eye on the iPhone 6. Hackers will go after it even if just for bragging rights. Still, Apple does pretty well in the security area and I dare say any hack will probably require physical access to the phone.
Am I ever not?
Tell you what: any time I'm being serious, I'll add a hint at the end, a slash followed by s for serious, like this: /s
It's been a year and I haven't heard about anyone being able to break into the secure enclave. Even if they were able to do by having the device, it's certainly much safer than having a wallet where your full name, expiration date, CCV number and full CC number is printed directly on the card. In that time it would take them to access that info (assuming they had a way) you could wipe the device, or at least cancel your cards.
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It's been a year and I haven't heard about anyone being able to break into the secure enclave.
1) CC and debit info I can see, but not general bank info since that's not what we use to make purchases.
2) I wonder if it's better to store specific card into on the device or use a referential value that can check with Apple's servers for the purchase so even if your device is completely compromised you actual card data is still safe. This would mean having the card data in Apple's cloud which i don't think is better than the secure enclave.
I've read that even the actual Touch ID sensor is unique so you can't simply swap one out for another so I could see that as being a feature. I'm going to say they won't be able to incorporate that but I'd definitely like to see it.
Without support for the older devices Apple wouldn't have a large enough install base to persuade any retailers etc. to get on board.
Or maybe I'm wrong. It's all so confusing.
Another enclave? The A8 is turning into India-Bangladesh.
I saw one of those NFC terminals you're supposed to kind of wave your card at...once. Years and years ago. At a Jack-in-the-Box, I think. It was gathering dust. I have never, ever, ever, e v e r seen any kind of NFC device used. Ever. NFC is a technology whose time has come and gone, without ever coming. It probably peaked 3 or 4 years ago, if a "peak" that doesn't even move the meter can be called a peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Japan, blah, blah, blah...newsflash: This ain't Japan. Sticking an NFC chip in the iPhone just because it's one of the meaningless bullet points Fandroids like to check off would be silly.
Seriously? Where do you live? In Vancouver there are more such terminals every day. They're awesome! Just tap your card and walk away. No PIN required under a certain limit -- a couple hundred bucks for me, may vary by customer or card issuer, I don't know. The bank covers me if someone steals or compromises the card.
Seriously? Where do you live? In Vancouver there are more such terminals every day. They're awesome! Just tap your card and walk away. No PIN required under a certain limit -- a couple hundred bucks for me, may vary by customer or card issuer, I don't know. The bank covers me if someone steals or compromises the card.
They're becoming more popular here in the UK but the payment limit is pretty low, something like £30. They have them at the petrol station I go to, but thanks to our ridiculously high fuel prices you can't fill your tank for less than the limit.At the time [2012], Schiller said Passbook covered the bases for consumers.
Could be, but a product with such an incredibly narrow scope and even narrower customer awareness isn't what I'd call a "win" for iPhone owners.
Seriously, outside of a few regulars on this forum, how many people do you know who even know what Passbook is, what it does, and how it works? I'm mentally going through a list of people I know, looking for those I think are likely to be familiar with Passbook. I come up with zero, and lots of those people are not only very tech-aware but are also voracious mobile device consumers.
Maybe Passbook will evolve, but at this point, despite Apple's efforts to bring value to it, it doesn't seem to be much more than a novelty for the majority of users (IMHO, of course).
I've used Passbok twice, once for a cinema ticket, and once for an Apple Gift Card, and the experience was petty good, but in it's current form it has niche appeal.
Checking the Apps For Passbook area of the App Store, it's dominated by travel, and mainly airways, so frequent flyers probably get a lot of use out of it, but the majority aren't frequent flyers.
NFC is extremely common here. More terminals have them than not. There's a limit to payment but beyond that limit, you're asked to enter your pin.
We've just progressed to pin only, you're unable to sign transactions anymore. NFC is the next step and I expect it to be ubiquitous here soon rather than later.
Australia btw.
Sounds like you dumped AAPL at the bottom and missed the rise to all time highs. Poor you.
NFC may still have problems finding acceptance in the US, especially since recent data intrusions such as the one at Target is still fresh in the minds of the public.
Personally, any place (other than online, obviously) that will not take cash I will refuse to patronize. Cash is still the fastest anonymous way to shop. I don't want my every living and breathing moment recorded to benefit a seller or advertiser, TBH.
I saw one of those NFC terminals you're supposed to kind of wave your card at...once. Years and years ago. At a Jack-in-the-Box, I think. It was gathering dust. I have never, ever, ever, e v e r seen any kind of NFC device used. Ever. NFC is a technology whose time has come and gone, without ever coming. It probably peaked 3 or 4 years ago, if a "peak" that doesn't even move the meter can be called a peak. Yeah, yeah, yeah...Japan, blah, blah, blah...newsflash: This ain't Japan. Sticking an NFC chip in the iPhone just because it's one of the meaningless bullet points Fandroids like to check off would be silly.
In DFW they are all over the place. Not sure where you live. So I disagree completely.
Where I do agree- is that I never see them being used. And the reason you haven't ever seen them used? Apple hasn't put one in the iPhone. The day they do that, the day you'll see it used all the time.
Then we'll hear the typical android call of "We could do that 4 years ago". And our retort will be "ya- but no one did or cared". Both of which will be true.
The new phone will be made of transparent aluminum
omg some used the U word. Instant death to the heathen...