the 18K gold case might add $1000-$2000 to the price depending on its weight, but $10,000 is ridiculous. watches in that price level are very limited production status symbols, and the Apple Watch is a mass production product instead meant to sell in the millions, even the gold ones.
but of course there will be riots in China when it goes on sale - for the status of being first to own one.
my big concern is the risk of being mugged for them. watches are very easy to rip off your wrist (except for the old fashioned buckle lock), so unless Apple has included a 'kill switch' in the Watch somehow it will be a huge issue. This crucial safety concern was not mentioned yesterday at all.
I assumed it's just a USB cable on one end and a round magsafe on the other end. The AC power adapter is the same as the iPhone (which you would have with you anyway) so you only need to bring a cable with you to charge the watch too. Unless you buy the fancy Apple Watch Edition which has the jewelry case that doubles as a charger but no one would lug that around when they can just bring a cable.
Why is this not solar powered? Solar cells can easily be placed under certain surfaces, like the black borders on screens.
How do I know this? My current solar powered watch.
Even if you are only able to fit a few photovoltaic cells, carrying it around with you should allow for a significant amount of power recharging or at the least minimize the DAILY charging requirement.
Sorry Apple but this Revision 1 of your watch feels like a dud. Let's get with the advancements in solar energy technology.
Does your current watch have layers of tech already under the screen, touch digitisers, pressure sensors, back lights etc? Where does the solar but go? At the bottom? The middle? Maybe it's difficult, no? Also, what's the power draw of your watch in MaH out of its tiny watch battery? Maybe a thousandth of the one in here? How long would it power a smart watch for, 1 minute?
If you hate devices that require regular top-ups then you must HATE your car.
What an odd point. Im fortunate to own more than one vehicle, but I don't have to top them up every night. I can go for days without having to fill up with gas.
Regularity is a good thing, if you are charging, or dis-charging (esp solids and fluids). BUT having to take of a wrist watch to charge every night, and take its special charger with you every time you spend the night way from home will be a PAIN, of the sort that non-regularity in discharge might bring.
While critics will go ballistic over the high-end versions with expensive prices, I think Apple has to do this because the watch (IMO) is a "nice to have", not a "must have" and it's not going to sell in the kinds of numbers that the iPhone does, but what would (other than possibly "electronic Viagra")?
It is an entirely different market right now. That is watches seldom are have to have items anymore. So I have to agree that the high end will help with sales.
I also think that having the high-end versions helps Apple's brand image as a luxury brand.
Since when has Apple been a luxury brand. It has always been an alternative brand to the MS world of computers. Apples hardware has never been rock bottom and in fact in some cases is extremely competitive. The iPhone certainly isn't a luxury device, in some circles it is actually a work horse.
I think that image has been hurt in recent years as their devices have become mass market and sold in Target, Wal-Mart and other big box stores and as cost-of-entry has been lowered by having subsidized devices.
You can't hurt an image created in your mind.
In fact, I think Apple should let high-end jewelry and watch stores sell the expensive versions. It's no longer special to own the latest iPhone or iPad because everyone else on the subway does also. But being able to distinguish one's self by buying the version with the really expensive case or band is going to appeal to many egos. (Not mine though).
The above fragment highlights what is wrong with America right now, too many people that think they are special. One should not be concerned about what everybody else looks like, it is pretty base behavior.
As for battery life, if it truly lasts a full day I think that's okay, but if it's less, that's going to be a royal pain. And it really has to be more than a day for road warriors who travel to different time zones.
I'm 55 and have yet to wear a watch. However every night when I retire I take off my shoes and socks just like everybody else. I can't imagine this little activity is any worst than removing a watch from ones wrist. In my younger days I would watch old people wind their watches in the morning and they never did it with the watch on their wrist. So I really don't see the big deal in putting the device on the charger in the evening. I suspect that many are desiring more capability than Apple or anybody else can wring from the state of the art.
What an odd point. Im fortunate to own more than one vehicle, but I don't have to top them up every night. I can go for days without having to fill up with gas.
Regularity is a good thing, if you are charging, or dis-charging (esp solids and fluids). BUT having to take of a wrist watch to charge every night, and take its special charger with you every time you spend the night way from home will be a PAIN, of the sort that non-regularity in discharge might bring.
Ah, but that depends on how much you drive the vehicle correct?
I expect the same to be true of the Apple Watch. the "standby" versus "usage" balance. I'll get three or four days on a 5s charge and others little more than a day... mileage varies. Same with vehicles: once a week or twice in one day.
FWIW I always take my wristwatches off at night and an extra cable to work it with my iPhone/Air wall charger or vehicle USB port? Hardly much of even a First World problem.
It's a shame that distance charging isn't ready for primetime yet. The idea of the watch slowly charging while you're still wearing it in bed, or at your desk, or even if you do take it off and just set it on your nightstand, as long as you're within a few meters of the base station... that would be awesome. In a sense it would feel like unlimited battery life.
the 18K gold case might add $1000-$2000 to the price depending on its weight, but $10,000 is ridiculous. watches in that price level are very limited production status symbols, and the Apple Watch is a mass production product instead meant to sell in the millions, even the gold ones.
but of course there will be riots in China when it goes on sale - for the status of being first to own one.
my big concern is the risk of being mugged for them. watches are very easy to rip off your wrist (except for the old fashioned buckle lock), so unless Apple has included a 'kill switch' in the Watch somehow it will be a huge issue. This crucial safety concern was not mentioned yesterday at all.
A) Apple doesn't care about share. It cares about great products. Great products leads to sales. Which leads to profit. Large profits. Apple supports its own ecosystem first and if necessary will support another. Supporting Google ecosystem is not necessary. In fact it's stupid.
C) The Apple watch will drive more iPhone sales if Android users need an iPhone and want the watch. Which is your point here:
How does opening up the apple watch to Android help drive anyone to the iPhone or the Apple ecosystem? It doesn't. So your objection is stupid even according to you.
Fandroids would never switch. Non-fandroids would probably switch given the larger form factor and the less sticky nature of the Google ecosystem (ad driven and freemium apps are less sticky since you can generally move platforms). They'll probably wait until their contract is up anyway.
Phones are more easily lost than watches. Since the watches are paired with phones over a short distance you probably have to lose both for a thief to be able to use ApplePay with the watch alone. You still maintain 2 factor security (watch + phone vs phone + touch ID).
Still intuitive and still secure.
I'll dare tell you anything. Why don't you chill Mr. "I joined in March so nobody has any idea what I did or didn't do when the iPhone or iPad came out". Defending the iPhone or iPad in 2014 is a no brainer.
A) You mean to tell me.... Tim Cooks presentations on market share are just a puppet show?
OH GOD NO!!! Nowhere did I mention Android support! That would be garbage.
What I said is clear, that People should be able to use AppleWatch regardless of what phone they have. Currently I have an iPod touch and no iPhone. I wanted an AppleWatch next but that plan went out the window yesterday.
C) So you're telling me, that it's easier to sell nice rims to a man who doesn't own a car? Should I sell a swimming pool to a woman who lives in an apartment?
... tell me more about how I can convince my friends who own Android to buy an AppleWatch. Apples watch was the perfect bridge for people who own Android, but they just burned that bridge.
You say phones are lost more often than watches? You need an iPhone for AppleWatch to work so that point is moot. And even dismissing that fact AppleWatch lacks touch ID.
and OH LORDY!! that last paragraph!! So NO ONE is an Apple fan unless they're registered to AppleInsider.com *facepalm*
Ah, but that depends on how much you drive the vehicle correct?
I expect the same to be true of the Apple Watch. the "standby" versus "usage" balance.
FWIW I always take my wristwatches off at night and an extra cable to work it with my iPhone/Air wall charger or vehicle USB port? Hardly much of even a First World problem.
I totally agree - Fine having to charge the watch nightly if you're playing with it a lot. But in normal moderate use it should last a couple of days, so as not be a really nuisance.
I try not to confuse a nuisance with a problem. ISIS is a problem (a big one), finding out my iPhone or example is flat is more of a nuisance.
What an odd point. Im fortunate to own more than one vehicle, but I don't have to top them up every night. I can go for days without having to fill up with gas.
Regularity is a good thing, if you are charging, or dis-charging (esp solids and fluids). BUT having to take of a wrist watch to charge every night, and take its special charger with you every time you spend the night way from home will be a PAIN, of the sort that non-regularity in discharge might bring.
Well, despite the high number of posts generated by you about a problem that hasn't been confirmed to exist, on a device that hasn't been finalised, I AM glad to hear that you have lived such a fortunate, trouble-free life so as to consider having to charge something once a day as a PAIN.
It's a shame that distance charging isn't ready for primetime yet. The idea of the watch slowly charging while you're still wearing it in bed, or at your desk, or even if you do take it off and just set it on your nightstand, as long as you're within a few meters of the base station... that would be awesome. In a sense it would feel like unlimited battery life.
The issue with charging is less how often but how long. A small watch battery that lasts a day but recharges in 10 minutes, for example, will hardly cause a problem. Notice, though, we only saw the business end of the charging process, not the power end.
I don't have any objections to the $650 price. I also think that the gold models will be over $1000.
This is not a watch for cheap Fandroids who think that everything should be $99.99 or lower.
The big objection I have is that this is definitely a 1.0 model. IMHO, I don't think people will drop $650+ on an annual basis for a watch. Personally, I love watches, and I have a few nices ones that I've collected over the past 20+ years. That said, I don't have the funds to buy expensive watches every year - though I wish I did!
As for the 18K gold/rose gold models, those will cost considerably more than $1,000.
I INSTANTLY thought of a revolutionary alternative. Less fidgety, less confusing, nicer watch profile. A smooth band on the side of the watch, slide finger forward to Zoom in and slide backward to zoom out. DONE. Need a home button? Touch ID. The digital crown reminds me of something Jobs would have made fun of.
Needs an iPhone to work.....
I don't even know where to start. If iPhone had %90 marketshare this would make PERFECT sense. But it doesn't. So in the US iPhone has about %40 marketshare. Now let's assume %30 are AppleWatch compatible. From there how many people are gonna run out and buy an AppleWatch? even assuming a third of them will, only %10 of people who own a smartphone will own AppleWatch and that's best case scenario. This leaves open a HUGE market for Android and others to take smartwatch share. Even though Apple could sell millions more they're just saying "no thanks". If an Android owners think Apple Watch is the greatest thing ever, they need to invest an additional $200 to own one, had the iPhone not been a requirement, AppleWatch would have been a nice bridge into other Apple products. Now it's more like a ladder on top of a building. Maybe we can have a repeat of the iPod and they'll change their minds later because this sounds as ridiculous as having to own a Mac to use an iPod.
ApplePay is a revolutionary new way to make purchases secured with Touch ID! GREAT!
AppleWatch works with ApplePay! but lacks Touch ID... So it's either less secure or you have to pull out your phone anyway to scan your fingerprint and then lean your wrist to NFC capable machines. INTUITIVE!!!
Don't you people DARE tell me about doubters during the iPod/iPhone/"it's just a giant iPod touch" days!! Because back then I saw Apples innovation and defend those products to this day. This watch has so much wrong with it I'm literally for the FIRST TIME wondering if Apple is lost without Steve Jobs and that's a heartbreaking thought.
You're going to be smashed by the other Apple fans. I too was disappointed with what I saw. I was more excited by the Mac Cube than this watch.
In 2013, there wasn't a single Apple product I wouldn't want to buy. In just a few months, Apple manage to acquire three that I wouldn't possibly dream of getting: Beats headphones, Beats pill crap and now the Apple Watch. I want to pull out my phone to check on things. Why in the world people think it's better to default to a watch is just beyond me. I love the health aspect of the watch (I originally thought Apple would simply release a health/fitness wristband that would have a weeks battery life and track sleep), but the other features just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just a duplication of the functionality already present on your phone...
"Charge nightly" or "about a day" mean absolutely nothing. I know of no agreed upon amount of time ascribed to those terms.
It will get about 12 hours of normal use when it ships, plus or minus an hour. The only question for me is will that include the screen being on all that time? A device like this only makes sense if I can glance down at it and see what it is telling me. If I have to "wake" it first, the watch is garbage.
Personally, any device of this type is a non-starter until it hits 18 hours of use with the screen on the entire time. I am guessing we are 3-4 years away from that.
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but of course there will be riots in China when it goes on sale - for the status of being first to own one.
my big concern is the risk of being mugged for them. watches are very easy to rip off your wrist (except for the old fashioned buckle lock), so unless Apple has included a 'kill switch' in the Watch somehow it will be a huge issue. This crucial safety concern was not mentioned yesterday at all.
I assumed it's just a USB cable on one end and a round magsafe on the other end. The AC power adapter is the same as the iPhone (which you would have with you anyway) so you only need to bring a cable with you to charge the watch too. Unless you buy the fancy Apple Watch Edition which has the jewelry case that doubles as a charger but no one would lug that around when they can just bring a cable.
Does your current watch have layers of tech already under the screen, touch digitisers, pressure sensors, back lights etc? Where does the solar but go? At the bottom? The middle? Maybe it's difficult, no? Also, what's the power draw of your watch in MaH out of its tiny watch battery? Maybe a thousandth of the one in here? How long would it power a smart watch for, 1 minute?
If you hate devices that require regular top-ups then you must HATE your car.
What an odd point. Im fortunate to own more than one vehicle, but I don't have to top them up every night. I can go for days without having to fill up with gas.
Regularity is a good thing, if you are charging, or dis-charging (esp solids and fluids). BUT having to take of a wrist watch to charge every night, and take its special charger with you every time you spend the night way from home will be a PAIN, of the sort that non-regularity in discharge might bring.
I'm 55 and have yet to wear a watch. However every night when I retire I take off my shoes and socks just like everybody else. I can't imagine this little activity is any worst than removing a watch from ones wrist. In my younger days I would watch old people wind their watches in the morning and they never did it with the watch on their wrist. So I really don't see the big deal in putting the device on the charger in the evening. I suspect that many are desiring more capability than Apple or anybody else can wring from the state of the art.
Why do all the trolls always say the are huge Apple fans/supporters/users?
What an odd point. Im fortunate to own more than one vehicle, but I don't have to top them up every night. I can go for days without having to fill up with gas.
Regularity is a good thing, if you are charging, or dis-charging (esp solids and fluids). BUT having to take of a wrist watch to charge every night, and take its special charger with you every time you spend the night way from home will be a PAIN, of the sort that non-regularity in discharge might bring.
Ah, but that depends on how much you drive the vehicle correct?
I expect the same to be true of the Apple Watch. the "standby" versus "usage" balance. I'll get three or four days on a 5s charge and others little more than a day... mileage varies. Same with vehicles: once a week or twice in one day.
FWIW I always take my wristwatches off at night and an extra cable to work it with my iPhone/Air wall charger or vehicle USB port? Hardly much of even a First World problem.
And how many times a day do you brush you teeth?
Thanks for caring.
Only twice a day (unless I'm on a promise....) morning and before bed.
Philips Sonicare - 2 brushings a day, 2 mins each is supposed to last 2 weeks on a single charge.
I don't know if mine lasts that long, if I'm away for a few days I don't take a charger. If Im away for a week or so I do bother to take it.
It's a shame that distance charging isn't ready for primetime yet. The idea of the watch slowly charging while you're still wearing it in bed, or at your desk, or even if you do take it off and just set it on your nightstand, as long as you're within a few meters of the base station... that would be awesome. In a sense it would feel like unlimited battery life.
How difficult is it to have a Rolex stolen?
A) You mean to tell me.... Tim Cooks presentations on market share are just a puppet show?
What I said is clear, that People should be able to use AppleWatch regardless of what phone they have. Currently I have an iPod touch and no iPhone. I wanted an AppleWatch next but that plan went out the window yesterday.
C) So you're telling me, that it's easier to sell nice rims to a man who doesn't own a car? Should I sell a swimming pool to a woman who lives in an apartment?
... tell me more about how I can convince my friends who own Android to buy an AppleWatch. Apples watch was the perfect bridge for people who own Android, but they just burned that bridge.
You say phones are lost more often than watches? You need an iPhone for AppleWatch to work so that point is moot. And even dismissing that fact AppleWatch lacks touch ID.
and OH LORDY!! that last paragraph!! So NO ONE is an Apple fan unless they're registered to AppleInsider.com *facepalm*
Ah, but that depends on how much you drive the vehicle correct?
I expect the same to be true of the Apple Watch. the "standby" versus "usage" balance.
FWIW I always take my wristwatches off at night and an extra cable to work it with my iPhone/Air wall charger or vehicle USB port? Hardly much of even a First World problem.
I totally agree - Fine having to charge the watch nightly if you're playing with it a lot. But in normal moderate use it should last a couple of days, so as not be a really nuisance.
I try not to confuse a nuisance with a problem. ISIS is a problem (a big one), finding out my iPhone or example is flat is more of a nuisance.
Well, despite the high number of posts generated by you about a problem that hasn't been confirmed to exist, on a device that hasn't been finalised, I AM glad to hear that you have lived such a fortunate, trouble-free life so as to consider having to charge something once a day as a PAIN.
Oh, the humanity!
Give it 3 or 4 generations.
Why do all the trolls always say the are huge Apple fans/supporters/users?
And coming from a huge Apple fan, I like how this watch looks!
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I find it to be kind of retro chic.
I'm not sure if I would get one yet. That remains to be seen, when I can see one in person, and besides it's not out until next year.
I don't have any objections to the $650 price. I also think that the gold models will be over $1000.
This is not a watch for cheap Fandroids who think that everything should be $99.99 or lower.
The big objection I have is that this is definitely a 1.0 model. IMHO, I don't think people will drop $650+ on an annual basis for a watch. Personally, I love watches, and I have a few nices ones that I've collected over the past 20+ years. That said, I don't have the funds to buy expensive watches every year - though I wish I did!
As for the 18K gold/rose gold models, those will cost considerably more than $1,000.
Coming from a huge Apple fan, I was disappointed.
When the iPod was revealed, did it look like an mp3 player? NO.
When the iPhone was revealed did it look like a cell phone? NO.
When iPad was revealed did it look like those ugly useless tablets of the day?.....
This thing, it looks like a watch. It looks like something I've already seen over a decade ago. Heck it looks like a Galaxy Gear!!
Revolutionary crown? Is Apple f****ing kidding me!??! The first thing I thought of is this:
http://jim-goldstein.photoshelter.com/image/I0000_RaLPnb0QW0
I INSTANTLY thought of a revolutionary alternative. Less fidgety, less confusing, nicer watch profile. A smooth band on the side of the watch, slide finger forward to Zoom in and slide backward to zoom out. DONE. Need a home button? Touch ID. The digital crown reminds me of something Jobs would have made fun of.
Needs an iPhone to work.....
I don't even know where to start. If iPhone had %90 marketshare this would make PERFECT sense. But it doesn't. So in the US iPhone has about %40 marketshare. Now let's assume %30 are AppleWatch compatible. From there how many people are gonna run out and buy an AppleWatch? even assuming a third of them will, only %10 of people who own a smartphone will own AppleWatch and that's best case scenario. This leaves open a HUGE market for Android and others to take smartwatch share. Even though Apple could sell millions more they're just saying "no thanks". If an Android owners think Apple Watch is the greatest thing ever, they need to invest an additional $200 to own one, had the iPhone not been a requirement, AppleWatch would have been a nice bridge into other Apple products. Now it's more like a ladder on top of a building. Maybe we can have a repeat of the iPod and they'll change their minds later because this sounds as ridiculous as having to own a Mac to use an iPod.
ApplePay is a revolutionary new way to make purchases secured with Touch ID! GREAT!
AppleWatch works with ApplePay! but lacks Touch ID... So it's either less secure or you have to pull out your phone anyway to scan your fingerprint and then lean your wrist to NFC capable machines. INTUITIVE!!!
Don't you people DARE tell me about doubters during the iPod/iPhone/"it's just a giant iPod touch" days!! Because back then I saw Apples innovation and defend those products to this day. This watch has so much wrong with it I'm literally for the FIRST TIME wondering if Apple is lost without Steve Jobs and that's a heartbreaking thought.
You're going to be smashed by the other Apple fans. I too was disappointed with what I saw. I was more excited by the Mac Cube than this watch.
In 2013, there wasn't a single Apple product I wouldn't want to buy. In just a few months, Apple manage to acquire three that I wouldn't possibly dream of getting: Beats headphones, Beats pill crap and now the Apple Watch. I want to pull out my phone to check on things. Why in the world people think it's better to default to a watch is just beyond me. I love the health aspect of the watch (I originally thought Apple would simply release a health/fitness wristband that would have a weeks battery life and track sleep), but the other features just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just a duplication of the functionality already present on your phone...
Maybe we simply lack imagination.
"Charge nightly" or "about a day" mean absolutely nothing. I know of no agreed upon amount of time ascribed to those terms.
It will get about 12 hours of normal use when it ships, plus or minus an hour. The only question for me is will that include the screen being on all that time? A device like this only makes sense if I can glance down at it and see what it is telling me. If I have to "wake" it first, the watch is garbage.
Personally, any device of this type is a non-starter until it hits 18 hours of use with the screen on the entire time. I am guessing we are 3-4 years away from that.
-kpluck